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Lively Stone

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What could that possibly have to do with what omnipresent means????

It is the beginning of a whole new exisitence for everyone. God has a plan to dispatch all evil away from Himself forever, and He will forever be with His people in His Kingdom, omnipresent. Anyone who thinks that He is present in the fires of Hell is under the misconception that perhaps evil is the one that is omnipresent. No---God will not have evil present anywhere.

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It is the beginning of a whole new exisitence for everyone. God has a plan to dispatch all evil away from Himself forever, and He will forever be with His people in His Kingdom, omnipresent. Anyone who thinks that He is present in the fires of Hell is under the misconception that perhaps evil is the one that is omnipresent. No---God will not have evil present anywhere.

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You still misunderstand the meaning of "omnipresent" but it also seems you struggle with being corrected when your wrong so I leave it there.
 

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You still misunderstand the meaning of "omnipresent" but it also seems you struggle with being corrected when your wrong so I leave it there.

I know the meaning of the word, and I am not in error. It isn't in scripture, so I don't feel the need to try to fit God into that box. He is basically everywhere except the heart of the unbeliever, but after final Judgment, evil will have no place anywhere. God puts evil in its rightful place---away from Him forever. You cannot forget that He is Almighty God.
 

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I know the meaning of the word, and I am not in error. It isn't in scripture, so I don't feel the need to try to fit God into that box. He is basically everywhere except the heart of the unbeliever, but after final Judgment, evil will have no place anywhere. God puts evil in its rightful place---away from Him forever. You cannot forget that He is Almighty God.

Seems more likely that God is everywhere, but the nonbeliever is unable to see Him.

Psalm 139:7
 
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Lively Stone

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Seems more likely that God is everywhere, but the nonbeliever is unable to see Him.

Psalm 139:7

Well, you are right, there! Psalm 139 talks about ths from a righteous person't view, in that should a person die and go to Sheol---the grave---(this is before Messiah came to open the way to heaven---and Sheol is not the fires of the punishment of God), then one is comforted by the presence of God there as well.

Psalm 139:7-8
[sup]7[/sup] I can never escape from your Spirit!
I can never get away from your presence!
[sup]8[/sup] If I go up to heaven, you are there;
if I go down to the grave,[sup][a][/sup] you are there.
 

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Assurance of salvation:

Acts 13:38-39
38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;
39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
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Romans 4:5-8
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
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Romans 10:3-4
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
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Romans 10:10-13
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
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1 John 5:4-5
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith.
5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
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1 John 5:9-13
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son.
10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.
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The children of God HAVE eternal life

Why do the children of God still die if they have eternal life?
 

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Who says that believers die? What do you consider death is? We all suffer the physical death that comes with being of the fallen (Adam's) race, but we will never utterly die. We have eternal life in Christ amd will be resurrected and given new, glorified bodies that will live forever.


John 3:14-16
And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, [sup]15[/sup] so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life. [sup]16[/sup] “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15:49-53
Just as we are now like the earthly man, we will someday be like the heavenly man.
[sup]50[/sup] What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.
[sup]51[/sup] But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! [sup]52[/sup] It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. [sup]53[/sup] For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies.
 

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Who says that believers die? What do you consider death is? We all suffer the physical death that comes with being of the fallen (Adam's) race, but we will never utterly die. We have eternal life in Christ amd will be resurrected and given new, glorified bodies that will live forever.


John 3:14-16
And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, [sup]15[/sup] so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life. [sup]16[/sup] “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15:49-53
Just as we are now like the earthly man, we will someday be like the heavenly man.
[sup]50[/sup] What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.
[sup]51[/sup] But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! [sup]52[/sup] It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. [sup]53[/sup] For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies.

Agreed, however, I know of Christians who have died. If they were in possession of eternal life why did they die?
 

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Agreed, however, I know of Christians who have died. If they were in possession of eternal life why did they die?

1 Corinthians 15:35-38
35 But someone will say,"How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?"

36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.

37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain — perhaps wheat or some other grain.

38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.

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1 Corinthians 15:42-46

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.

43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.

44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

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1 Corinthians 15:35-38
35 But someone will say,"How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?"

36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.

37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain — perhaps wheat or some other grain.

38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.

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1 Corinthians 15:42-46

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.

43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.

44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

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Hi Richard,

I understand what you've said, however, in the op you said the children of God HAVE eteranal life. You used all caps for the word have. Maybe I misunderstood your meaning, I got the impression that you were implying that the children were currently in posession of eternal life. If that is the case, my question is, why do they die?
 

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Our physical bodies die because they are weak, fallen flesh. But our spirits and souls are redeemed and will be united with new, glorious flesh in the Kingdom on Resurrection Day!

Matthew 10:28
“Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
 

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Our physical bodies die because they are weak, fallen flesh. But our spirits and souls are redeemed and will be united with new, glorious flesh in the Kingdom on Resurrection Day!

Matthew 10:28
“Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Hi Stone,

I understand that. However, if one is in posession of eternal life now, shouldn't one live eternally and not die?
 

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Hi Stone,

I understand that. However, if one is in posession of eternal life now, shouldn't one live eternally and not die?

That isn't inherent in the promise. The promise is that we will all be changed, whether we live or die.

1 Corinthians 15 (Phillips)

The dead and the living will be fitted for immortality
[sup]51-53[/sup] Listen, and I will tell you a secret. We shall not all die, but suddenly, in the twinkling of an eye, every one of us will be changed as the trumpet sounds! The trumpet will sound and the dead shall be raised beyond the reach of corruption, and we who are still alive shall suddenly be utterly changed. For this perishable nature of ours must be wrapped in imperishability, these bodies which are mortal must be wrapped in immortality.
 

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That isn't inherent in the promise. The promise is that we will all be changed, whether we live or die.

1 Corinthians 15 (Phillips)

The dead and the living will be fitted for immortality
[sup]51-53[/sup] Listen, and I will tell you a secret. We shall not all die, but suddenly, in the twinkling of an eye, every one of us will be changed as the trumpet sounds! The trumpet will sound and the dead shall be raised beyond the reach of corruption, and we who are still alive shall suddenly be utterly changed. For this perishable nature of ours must be wrapped in imperishability, these bodies which are mortal must be wrapped in immortality.


Hi Stone,

Ok, then we aren't in possession of eternal life at this time, correct? The impression I got from the op is that we are now in possession of eternal life. It seems 1 Corinthians 15 keeps getting quoted which speaks of the future. If that's the case it would seem that eternal life is a future reality also.
 

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Hi Stone,

Ok, then we aren't in possession of eternal life at this time, correct? The impression I got from the op is that we are now in possession of eternal life. It seems 1 Corinthians 15 keeps getting quoted which speaks of the future. If that's the case it would seem that eternal life is a future reality also.

If we are Christians, we possess eternal life now, because we are made children of God, citizens of His Kingdom, and joint-inheritors of all things Jesus has.
 

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physical death is a result of the Fall. We all have to die as a result of original sin, but we do not have to die spiritually. It is sort of like having to serve a prison sentence for a crime even after God forgives us. This ties in with the doctrine of Purgatory.
 

Lively Stone

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physical death is a result of the Fall. We all have to die as a result of original sin, but we do not have to die spiritually. It is sort of like having to serve a prison sentence for a crime even after God forgives us. This ties in with the doctrine of Purgatory.

NO ONE has to serve anything like a prison sentence when we are forgiven by God! This is why Purgatory is absurd and unbliblical.

Many people will not die physically, but will be transformed into glory.
 

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If we are Christians, we possess eternal life now, because we are made children of God, citizens of His Kingdom, and joint-inheritors of all things Jesus has.

That brings us back to the first question. If Christians have eternal life now why do they die? I don't think we have it yet.