Prisoners in Alabama go on strike

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Activists outside the state have driven prisoners to demand early release. Demand no bail, demand lesser penalties for crimes. They have threatened to strike until their demands are met.

This comes after a early release prisoner murdered a mother of two within hours of his release. Alabama State Legislature is currently active in prusueing new laws to make convicts serve their entire sentence in the prison system. Both the Attorney General and Governor responded "This is not California or New York. No."

If memory serves ....the cooks for the prison are all prisoners. Shut it down until the demands stop. Put out a jar of peanut butter and jam with two slices of bread. Give them a plastic spoon to spread the jam and peanut butter.

Otherwise, let's start a new program. Prisoners released ffrom Alabama prisons get a choice ...free transportation to California or New York ....With a warning ..."Come back to Alabama and you will be incarcerated at twice your first sentence."
 
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Activists outside the state have driven prisoners to demand early release. Demand no bail, demand lesser penalties for crimes. They have threatened to strike until their demands are met.

This comes after a early release prisoner murdered a mother of two within hours of his release. Alabama State Legislature is currently active in prusueing new laws to make convicts serve their entire sentence in the prison system. Both the Attorney General and Governor responded "This is not California or New York. No."

If memory serves ....the cooks for the prison are all prisoners. Shut it down until the demands stop. Put out a jar of peanut butter and jam with two slices of bread. Give them a plastic spoon to spread the jam and peanut butter.

Otherwise, let's start a new program. Prisoners released ffrom Alabama prisons get a choice ...free transportation to California or New York ....With a warning ..."Come back to Alabama and you will be incarcerated at twice your first sentence."

Prisoner...demands...strike...have at it!
Yep, P & J and water...no rec time...stay in cells...extra towels, wash in cell... Guards can do laundry, deliver laundry, P & J 3 x’s a day and mow and whatever else...like turn off and on lights and polish the Keys.
 

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Prisoner...demands...strike...have at it!
Yep, P & J and water...no rec time...stay in cells...extra towels, wash in cell... Guards can do laundry, deliver laundry, P & J 3 x’s a day and mow and whatever else...like turn off and on lights and polish the Keys.

Have either of you been in prison?
I don't think you understand what you are saying.
I don't encourage early release for any crime... but limiting what limited activities happen in jail would make you to be the monster.
 

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Have either of you been in prison?
I don't think you understand what you are saying.
I don't encourage early release for any crime... but limiting what limited activities happen in jail would make you to be the monster.


My response was to take away rights until they understand, they are in prison for the crime they have committed. If they decide "I won't work anymore until I get things on my terms" ....someone needs to be reminded why they are in prison.

This demand was started at very bad time. Timing is everything. A prisoner, with a felony attempted murder conviction was a cook. Doing 20 years, he got out four years early for his good behavior as a cook. Within days of his release, he murdered a mother of two.

Bad timing for a demand, considering the actions being debated in the legislature concerning early release. Outside activists are driving this bus ...they choose a bad moment in time for a strike ... Alabama looks at things differently ...
 
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Have either of you been in prison?
I don't think you understand what you are saying.
I don't encourage early release for any crime... but limiting what limited activities happen in jail would make you to be the monster.

Prison is for punishment and removal from society.
Jobs, recreation, library, mess hall eating, tv, etc. are privileges.

I am not impressed with how the US prison systems are run, OR the so called “judicial system” with the punishments way to lenient for some crimes and utterly ridiculous harsh for other crimes. The gangs/ in house murders, ridiculous. Could go on and on. But would not tolerate crooked guards or inmates demands.
 
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My response was to take away rights until they understand, they are in prison for the crime they have committed. If they decide "I won't work anymore until I get things on my terms" ....someone needs to be reminded why they are in prison.

This demand was started at very bad time. Timing is everything. A prisoner, with a felony attempted murder conviction was a cook. Doing 20 years, he got out four years early for his good behavior as a cook. Within days of his release, he murdered a mother of two.

Bad timing for a demand, considering the actions being debated in the legislature concerning early release. Outside activists are driving this bus ...they choose a bad moment in time for a strike ... Alabama looks at things differently ...

"Need to be reminded why they are in prison" Spoken like someone who has never visited a jail, let alone spent any time "inside".
I am saying that you do not understand what you are saying. You don't get what life is like for the incarcerated.
I don't mind you protesting the protesters. Neighbourhood watch the heck out of them if they are released early.
But you don't understand how your position looks to someone who has been "inside".
Your removing of anything you mentioned from the prisoners, to an ex-prisoner, is a sure way to get them onto the other side of the argument.
If I really thought you were serious and had any power to do what you say, I would join the early release side just because of what I would perceive as the hate in your heart. Get those poor prisoners out of your draconian hands. That is if you had the power to do what you said.
Please consider your argument better.
 

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Prison is for punishment and removal from society.
Jobs, recreation, library, mess hall eating, tv, etc. are privileges.

I am not impressed with how the US prison systems are run, OR the so called “judicial system” with the punishments way to lenient for some crimes and utterly ridiculous harsh for other crimes. The gangs/ in house murders, ridiculous. Could go on and on. But would not tolerate crooked guards or inmates demands.

So you don't understand the "inside".
That is what I get from your post.
Consider my post #6.
You removing "privileges" will make ANY ex-con automatically take the other side of the argument. You are driving people to the opposition.
 

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I live in Alabama, inside the United States of North America.

I am a law abiding citizen !

As we all have them, IMO, some actions against the laws should be reformed with other objectives rather than prison as the punishment. It should not be decided by lawmakers or government but by victims of crime.

Crimes that cause the death of another human deserve the stricter penalty of immediate death. One week, if that, to get your affairs in order. If you are found guilty in a court of law by your peers in the taking of a life or lives,,, NO death row ! Immediate execution, NO appeals!

Crimes against children, 1st offense, castration. 2nd offense, removal of arms / hands. 3rd offense immediate execution.

Prison time would be regulated to fit the crimes of properties or monies.

No lifers for taxpayers to care for. So called lifers get immediate execution. If the crime is heinous enough for life it's worthy of execution.

But this is my fantasy of crime and it's punishment.

The truth here is America is too cushy on criminals. They should have zero rights as they gave unto their victims.
Cell 24/7, NO rec, NO yard time, no visitors, no tv, no internet, no medical NO socialization.

Be it mine or yours !
 

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The truth here is America is too cushy on criminals.
This is all because of the phony liberalism of the politicians. Then we have the stupidity of incarcerating people for possessing a few grams of cocaine (or whatever), and letting the murderers and rapists run free, so that they can go on committing the same or worse crimes.

Let's face it. The justice system has been thoroughly perverted and there's not going to be any reform. The DOJ and FBI are now criminal organizations. DHS and ICE are now there to welcome illegals and illegally settle them in various states. At the same time a gulag has been established for patriots and conservatives.
 
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So you don't understand the "inside".

No, I have never been ticketed, arrested, nor an inmate.
I do understand the judicial system, and much about the prison systems. Neither of which I am impressed with.

That is what I get from your post.
Consider my post #6.

You removing "privileges" will make ANY ex-con automatically take the other side of the argument. You are driving people to the opposition.

Of course. It’s called rebellion.
There is always a line between right and wrong.
There is always a choice of which side of the line people will stand.
The Right standing hope their standing prevails via Justice.
The Wrong standing hope their standing prevails via Injustice.
Not particularly news...The Line is blurred...
The KEY holders are both Just and unJust. Called Corruption.
The People uproar, and cry for Fairness.
It’s never about Fairness.
Fairness is an elementary instilled precept of getting even.
*A citizen of a free nation is naturally born with privileges, not earned, not granted by governments or other men.
*A citizen who chooses step over the line, squashing the privileges of an other; in-turn may find his own privileges temporarily oppressed.
Called punishment.

The uproar in Alabama is a screaming match.
* Inadequate Prisons, that via inadequacy treat prisoners inhumanly.
* Failed Justice system, continuing to sentence incarceration, without adequate Prison facilities.
* Advocates rallying outside of prisons encouraging Prisoners to uproar.
* Advocates for early release.
* Advocates Against early release.
* Advocates Against the People forced to financially support Prisoners.
* Governor met with opposition to build more Prisons.
* Etc.

This is nothing new. The Risk of Crime is perpetuated, feather tapped, repetitiously a common life-style, on the outside, for years.
* And the problem is escalated from the top on down, when there is an Idiot Marxist sitting in the Peoples House, Destroying privileges of a free people to provide for themselves.
* What is an early released convict going to do on the outside, when ALL people on the outside are being oppressed by a Dictator squashing opportunities for the upright provide for their own?
* Alabama’s Prison issues, is no difference than any other sovereign State’s issues...The People keep seating “politicians” in Governing seats, based on Grinned speeches of their long list of freebie promises.
Freedom does not mean Freebies, in or out of a Prison.
 

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"Need to be reminded why they are in prison" Spoken like someone who has never visited a jail, let alone spent any time "inside".
I am saying that you do not understand what you are saying. You don't get what life is like for the incarcerated.
I don't mind you protesting the protesters. Neighbourhood watch the heck out of them if they are released early.
But you don't understand how your position looks to someone who has been "inside".
Your removing of anything you mentioned from the prisoners, to an ex-prisoner, is a sure way to get them onto the other side of the argument.
If I really thought you were serious and had any power to do what you say, I would join the early release side just because of what I would perceive as the hate in your heart. Get those poor prisoners out of your draconian hands. That is if you had the power to do what you said.
Please consider your argument better.

No one is advocating or agreeing with inhumane treatment of prisoners.
Nor is anyone advocating the controlling KEY be given to prisoners.
 

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Alabama is constructing two new prisons.

If you take a look at Birmingham for example .....Black on black crime is through the roof. The gang murder rate and the exhibition car racing rate over the top. What is this car racing? Steal a mustang, steal a Dodge Charger then race it on the streets.

Blacks need to cooperate with the police. See a gang, report their location. Stop hiding the tribe members. Clean up your own streets and stop the crime internally. I am in the worst neighborhoods in Biringham constantly. When the garbage man tells you to be aware ...you know something is up. Black resiential neighborhoods know exactly where the problem exists. Clean it up!

When you get sent to prison ....stay until your time is served. No release for "Good Behavior"

Crime
Want problems? The Water District in Jefferson County is full of criminals. Arrest them, remove them, no retirement benifits. The whole Board was recently replaced. When black citizens are getting water bills in the hundreds of dollars ....overnight retirements should not be a refuge for the crimnals that were taking kickbacks and bribes....Enough is enough. Prison and no retirement. Then do the right thing and start taking the vendors, find the bribes and send them to be room mates for the staff in Water Works....The purchasing Department retired in mass in one afternoon when it was revealed that kickbacks and bribes were being taken. AGAIN! AGAIN! How many times does this have to go on?

The City Council seems to be on track this time. One council member has stated no increases until you do your job first. People need to go to prison. Bring the retirees back and water board them until the vendors are identified .....then do the right thing and make the white trash bribers a part of the prison system ..... It's past time to clean house for the citizens of the Brmingham area.

In my early sales career days. I knew of a electronic parts vendor that provided girls for their customers as part of the package to get their business. It was well known. When it was discovered ....people went to prison and more lost their jobs. That parts business is thriving now ..and no one is sending girls to hotel rooms so that business can be obtained by signing on the dotted line because of last night's services.

I hope this Mayor and his city council does this right ....Send people to jail and make it public.
 
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"Need to be reminded why they are in prison" Spoken like someone who has never visited a jail, let alone spent any time "inside".
I am saying that you do not understand what you are saying. You don't get what life is like for the incarcerated.
I don't mind you protesting the protesters. Neighbourhood watch the heck out of them if they are released early.
But you don't understand how your position looks to someone who has been "inside".
Your removing of anything you mentioned from the prisoners, to an ex-prisoner, is a sure way to get them onto the other side of the argument.
If I really thought you were serious and had any power to do what you say, I would join the early release side just because of what I would perceive as the hate in your heart. Get those poor prisoners out of your draconian hands. That is if you had the power to do what you said.
Please consider your argument better.


Don't jump to conclusions ...You'll get schooled real quick ...
This, as stated, is outside activists influence on the inside. For a small group to try and influence the prisoners ....The only ones under control are the prisoners themselves ....My understanding is that the prisoners want nothing to do with this other than a few agitators.

Case in point. Antifa decided they were going to cause problems at Auburn Unversity. Alabama law states that it is illegal to wear a mask. Antifa starts their walk to the protest point. Halley Center. Campus Police stop them in route. "Remove the mask son." "I will not." "Remove the mask or you will be arrested, then we will loose your paperwork until Mommy omes to pick you in person." Masks were removed and the protest peaceful.

As stated ....this is the wrong time to try something as senseless as this. The recent murder, changed the dynamics before this activist attempt. The State of Alabama is well in control ...
 

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No one is advocating or agreeing with inhumane treatment of prisoners.
Nor is anyone advocating the controlling KEY be given to prisoners.

Previous posts did advocate for inhuman treatment of prisoners. Taking away food, shower time, exercise time. Inhumane.
 

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Don't jump to conclusions ...You'll get schooled real quick ...
This, as stated, is outside activists influence on the inside. For a small group to try and influence the prisoners ....The only ones under control are the prisoners themselves ....My understanding is that the prisoners want nothing to do with this other than a few agitators.

Case in point. Antifa decided they were going to cause problems at Auburn Unversity. Alabama law states that it is illegal to wear a mask. Antifa starts their walk to the protest point. Halley Center. Campus Police stop them in route. "Remove the mask son." "I will not." "Remove the mask or you will be arrested, then we will loose your paperwork until Mommy omes to pick you in person." Masks were removed and the protest peaceful.

As stated ....this is the wrong time to try something as senseless as this. The recent murder, changed the dynamics before this activist attempt. The State of Alabama is well in control ...

What conclusions did I jump to?
 

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Previous posts did advocate for inhuman treatment of prisoners. Taking away food, shower time, exercise time. Inhumane.

Food, cleaning ones self, exercise was not advocated to be void.
It’s called, making do, as someone else’s burden, not going without.

Welfare, Prisoners, Thieves are always at the expense and financial burden of someone else. No, I do not believe burdens have a right to dictate or demand.

As I said before, not impressed from the top on down. When the people keep sitting the Corrupt in power seats, it trickles down. I do not favor inhumane treatment of burdens.
 

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Food, cleaning ones self, exercise was not advocated to be void.
It’s called, making do, as someone else’s burden, not going without.

Welfare, Prisoners, Thieves are always at the expense and financial burden of someone else. No, I do not believe burdens have a right to dictate or demand.

As I said before, not impressed from the top on down. When the people keep sitting the Corrupt in power seats, it trickles down. I do not favor inhumane treatment of burdens.

So have you been in prison?
Until then maybe temper your baser impulses.
Dehumanising people to the role of burdens is a tiny step away from the Nazi Ultimate Solution.
You are on the first steps of following Hitler down a very dark path.
 

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So have you been in prison?

Already answered.

Until then maybe temper your baser impulses.
Dehumanising people to the role of burdens is a tiny step away from the Nazi Ultimate Solution.
You are on the first steps of following Hitler down a very dark path.

Get a grip. If someone else is forced or willingly caring for another at their expense ... they are a burden.

Already addressed, not impressed with governing officials on down to how prisons are mis-managed. You making ridiculous accusations simply reveals your narrow mindedness. You have experienced the prison systems failure, and now not in prison, DO WHAT about your sympathy toward others Still incarcerated? Bad mouth people who speak the truth?
If one IS NOT providing for themselves, they routinely ARE a forced burden on others.
 

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Already answered.



Get a grip. If someone else is forced or willingly caring for another at their expense ... they are a burden.

Already addressed, not impressed with governing officials on down to how prisons are mis-managed. You making ridiculous accusations simply reveals your narrow mindedness. You have experienced the prison systems failure, and now not in prison, DO WHAT about your sympathy toward others Still incarcerated? Bad mouth people who speak the truth?
If one IS NOT providing for themselves, they routinely ARE a forced burden on others.

Just remember that those in prison are either your brothers/sisters in Christ or a person you are to minister to.
Those are your only options.
Which one of those do you want to punish with PB+J 3 meals a day... "no rec time...stay in cells...extra towels, wash in cell..."?
Does your brother/sister deserve only bread and water or do you think that is the way to win a lost soul?
If that is your mentality... keep me out of your next mission trip.

So you have no idea what prison life is like... you are only giving ammo to the other side by your attitude.
and... "Get a grip. If someone else is forced or willingly caring for another at their expense ... they are a burden." they are not a burden... they are a human being.
Stop dehumanising people. It leads to the Nazi place.
 

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Just remember that those in prison are either your brothers/sisters in Christ or a person you are to minister to.
Those are your only options.
Which one of those do you want to punish with PB+J 3 meals a day... "no rec time...stay in cells...extra towels, wash in cell..."?
Does your brother/sister deserve only bread and water or do you think that is the way to win a lost soul?
If that is your mentality... keep me out of your next mission trip.

So you have no idea what prison life is like... you are only giving ammo to the other side by your attitude.
and... "Get a grip. If someone else is forced or willingly caring for another at their expense ... they are a burden." they are not a burden... they are a human being.
Stop dehumanising people. It leads to the Nazi place.

:rolleyes:

Face the facts. The prisoners are their own cooks. They cook food, they neither worked for or bought. They are the ones who decided not to work and cook the food.
If those are YOUR brothers, you go cheer them on, toss them a steak and talk about how human you are!

2 Thes 3:
[10] For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.