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Copies of Scripture have from Ancient days been taught, to make and distribute... nothing new.
I have a FAITHFUL guardian, call Christ Jesus, He was neither called a catholic or called His Church catholic. Simple...nothing catholic!

Is Ignatius mentioned in Scripture as having some importance? Uh, no.
And Jesus Christ used His CATHOLIC CHURCH to transcribe and copy the Scriptures down over a THOUSAND years before anyone ever even HEARD of Protestants.
Had it NOT been for the Catholic Church – YOU would never even have HEARD of Jesus Christ . . .
LOL...not Unfortunate at ALL. DUH, Scripturally taught to RIGHTLY Divide the Word of Truth. ONLY A FOOL would believe the ENTIRETY of Scripture applies to him.

The Ignatian Letters are HISTORICAL documents, Einstein – not Scripture.
NOBODY ever claimed that they were Scripture.

HELLOO . . .
 

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Yeah, rrrright.
You’re one of the angriest people I’ve ever debated.

LOL...poor thing, aside from following a false gospel, you don’t even comprehend common knowledge of emotions.
Ding, ding, ding.......Laughing at you is not an expression of anger.
DUH! Lol.

You would never have even HEARD of Jesus Christ, had it NOT been for the Catholic Church and the CATHOLIC Tradition of the New Testament.

LOL...You should get your eyes in the Bible, and LEARN, Jesus came to Earth WITH His NEW BETTER TESTAMENT...and VERY confident without a catholic church, a catholic tradition, a catholic’s holy father pope, a catholic’s side kick doctrine, catechism, statues, blah, blah, blah... JESUS managed very well to spread His Word, according to His...WAY.
Oh, I did enter a Catholic Church one time for a wedding, and the reception...very traditional of Italian Greek catholic mafia style. LOL

There’s no “arrogance” on MY part – it’s just a matter of HISTORY . . .

LOL, your arrogance is so thick I doubt my sharpened high powered chain saw could cut it.
 

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what do you think the true church is?

Revelation 12:17 KJV:

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman (church) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (the church in the last days which is identical to the one Jesus established) which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Revelation 14:12 KJV:

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they which keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus."

There's only one end time, truly global Christian church which holds to these principles. And since there's only one other global "church" that stands next to this true, Biblically identified remnant church, the list narrows down so fast, it'll make your head swim:

It's been said you can go anywhere in the world and find these three things: the catholic church, the Seventh-day Adventist church, and Coca-Cola.
 
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And Jesus Christ used His CATHOLIC CHURCH to transcribe and copy the Scriptures down over a THOUSAND years before anyone ever even HEARD of Protestants.
Had it NOT been for the Catholic Church – YOU would never even have HEARD of Jesus Christ . . .


LOL...:jest: Christ Jesus didn’t establish a “catholic” church.

NEWSFLASH...
Many are called, Few are chosen.
Never got a call from catholics.
Did get a call from Jesus!

The Ignatian Letters are HISTORICAL documents, Einstein – not Scripture.
NOBODY ever claimed that they were Scripture.

HELLOO . . .

HELLO...LOL, not a Secret this thread is about Differences between catholics and Protestants. Ignatius’ supposed letters irrelevant!
 

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KJV Romans 6:3-5
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized (immersion) into Jesus Christ were baptized (immersion) into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried (immersion) with him by baptism (immersion) into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
 
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Copies of Scripture have from Ancient days been taught, to make and distribute... nothing new.
But you can't admit to the historical facts, that the CC "taught, to make and distribute" copies of Scripture. Truckloads of post-biblical documents clearly show the early church was Catholic in practice and belief.
I have a FAITHFUL guardian, call Christ Jesus, He was neither called a catholic or called His Church catholic. Simple...nothing catholic!
Wrong.
CATHOLIC comes from the Greek word Katholikos, which was later Latinized into Catholicus.
It means 'Universal', which in itself means, 'of or relating to, or affecting the entire world and ALL peoples therein'. It means, ALL encompassing, comprehensibly broad, general, and containing ALL that is necessary. In summation, it means ALL people in ALL places, having ALL that is necessary, and for ALL time.

It is inferred in Matthew 28:19-20, "Go, therefore and make disciples of ALL nations...teaching them to observe ALL that I have commanded you; And behold, I am with you ALL days, even unto the consummation of the world." That is a statement of Universality, Katholicos, Catholicus, Catholic.

Romans 1:8 ….and you belong to that Church whose faith St. Paul describes as being "proclaimed (KATanggeletai) in the whole universe (en HOLO to kosmo)”

Thus the word KATAHOLOS or Catholic in English originated from Scriptures - Romans 1:8
Greek: Kataholis
Latin: Catholicus
English: CATHOLIC.

Your turn to proof text the name of your church directly from scripture, as I have, or stop saying "Catholic" is not in the Bible.

Is Ignatius mentioned in Scripture as having some importance? Uh, no.
Because everything of historical importance doesn't have to be in scripture, and scripture never says all authentic beliefs and practices must be explicitly found in scripture to be true. That's YOUR man-made tradition. St. Ignatius was bishop of Antioch, studied under St. John the Apostle, ordained by Peter, 7 of his letters are proven to be authentic by Protestant scholars and you dismiss him as unimportant because his name doesn't appear in the Bible. A fine example of "Bible worship" and INTELLECTUAL SUICIDE.
LOL...not Unfortunate at ALL. DUH, Scripturally taught to RIGHTLY Divide the Word of Truth. ONLY A FOOL would believe the ENTIRETY of Scripture applies to him.
A false accusation. BofL believes the Church is the preserver and custodian of the entirety of Scripture, as history proves. Why should anyone believe you when you can't rightly divide simple posts?
 

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Revelation 12:17 KJV:

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman (church) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (the church in the last days which is identical to the one Jesus established) which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Revelation 14:12 KJV:

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they which keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus."

There's only one end time, truly global Christian church which holds to these principles. And since there's only one other global "church" that stands next to this true, Biblically identified remnant church, the list narrows down so fast, it'll make your head swim:

It's been said you can go anywhere in the world and find these three things: the catholic church, the Seventh-day Adventist church, and Coca-Cola.

the four marks of the true church are
One:
Holy:
Catholic:
Apostolic!

God initiated each covenant and the mediator always remains on earth mediating the covenant except for Christ who made Peter His personal representative and vicar! (Matt 16:18)

Adam
(Marriage covenant)

Noah
(Family covenant)

Abraham
(Tribal covenant)

Moses:
(National covenant)

Jesus Christ:
(Universal covenant)

New and eternal covenant founded by Jesus Christ! Matt 16:18

Universal (Catholic)
World universal

Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. ( catholic universal) All men!

Lk 2:31 prepared before the face of all (catholic) people. All men!

Jn 1:29 lamb of God who takes way the sins of the world. All men!

Jn 3:16 for God so loved the world

1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. All men!

Lk 2: 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. All men!

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (All people universal) All men!

1 Tim 2:5 one mediator

Jn 10:16 One new covenant church

Only Jesus Christ has authority to found the church on Peter and the apostles! Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18
Jn 20:21 eph 2:20

All others are heretical sects the tradition of men!

Christ is king and established a kingdom!

Obedience to the apostles who have the jurisdictional authority to govern the church and administer the kingdom is obedience to Christ!

Kingdom

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

the holy Catholic Church

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.


Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Jesus Christ is king!

We must submit and obey the king of kings!

And His authorized ministers that He Himself appointed!

Matt 16:18-19 & 28:28 eph 2:20 Jn 20:21-23
 

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One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic

One: Jn 10:16

Holy: Eph 2:19-22

Catholic: Lk 1:10-11 Jn 1:29 Jn 3:16
(Universal)

Apostolic: Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18 Matt 28:19 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20

Only Christ has authority to found the one true church Matt 16:18-19 all others are heretical the tradition of men!
 

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KJV Romans 6:3-5
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized (immersion) into Jesus Christ were baptized (immersion) into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried (immersion) with him by baptism (immersion) into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Bible never says immersion it says God will sprinkle ez 36:25-27
 

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KJV Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

rev 12:1 is Mary our queen and spiritual mother
 

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Revelation 12:17 KJV:

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman (church) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (the church in the last days which is identical to the one Jesus established) which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Revelation 14:12 KJV:

"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they which keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus."

There's only one end time, truly global Christian church which holds to these principles. And since there's only one other global "church" that stands next to this true, Biblically identified remnant church, the list narrows down so fast, it'll make your head swim:

It's been said you can go anywhere in the world and find these three things: the catholic church, the Seventh-day Adventist church, and Coca-Cola.

rev 12:1 is Mary our queen and spiritual mother
 

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What nation was destroyed? The first 39 popes were killed by pagan Romans, so "a faith co-opted by Rome" proves you are of the psychotic variety of anti-Catholicism. I see little difference between your false histories and the false histories of the SDA/JW's. To them, Christian Rome and pagan Rome are one and the same. The lies continue to this day.

Briefly, therefore, the fact of Christ's Resurrection is attested by more than 500 eyewitnesses, whose experience, simplicity, and uprightness of life rendered them incapable of inventing such a fable, who lived at a time when any attempt to deceive could have been easily discovered, who had nothing in this life to gain, but everything to lose by their testimony, whose moral courage exhibited in their apostolic life can be explained only by their intimate conviction of the objective truth of their message. Again the fact of Christ's Resurrection is attested by the eloquent silence of the Synagogue which had done everything to prevent deception, which could have easily discovered deception, if there had been any, which opposed only sleeping witnesses to the testimony of the Apostles, which did not punish the alleged carelessness of the official guard, and which could not answer the testimony of the Apostles except by threatening them "that they speak no more in this name to any man" (Acts 4:17). Finally the thousands and millions, both Jews and Gentiles, who believed the testimony of the Apostles in spite of all the disadvantages following from such a belief, in short the origin of the Church, requires for its explanation the reality of Christ's Resurrection, for the rise of the Church without the Resurrection would have been a greater miracle than the Resurrection itself.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Resurrection of Jesus Christ

Catholicism is the fulfillment of Judaism whereas you have long divorced yourself from our elder brothers. Your stupid insults have no bearing in reality and just like the made-in-America cults, you have to invent your own history, especially whoppers about Constantine.

Opponents of the Church often attempt to discredit Catholicism by attempting to show similarities between it and the beliefs or practices of ancient paganism. This fallacy is frequently committed by Fundamentalists against Catholics; by Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and others against both Protestants and Catholics; and by atheists and skeptics against both Christians and Jews.

The nineteenth century witnessed a flowering of this “pagan influence fallacy.” Publications such as The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop (the classic English text charging the Catholic Church with paganism) paved the way for generations of antagonism toward the Church. During this time, entire new sects were created (Seventh-day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses)—all considering traditional Catholicism and Protestantism as polluted by paganism. This era also saw atheistic “freethinkers” such as Robert Ingersoll writing books attacking Christianity and Judaism as pagan.

The pagan influence fallacy has not gone away in the twentieth century, but newer archaeology and more mature scholarship have diminished its influence. Yet there are still many committing it. In Protestant circles, numerous works have continued to popularize the claims of Alexander Hislop, most notably the comic books of Jack Chick and the book Babylon Mystery Religion by the young Ralph Woodrow (later Woodrow realized its flaws and wrote The Babylon Connection? repudiating it and refuting Hislop). Other Christian and quasi-Christian sects have continued to charge mainstream Christianity with paganism, and many atheists have continued to repeat—unquestioned—the charges of paganism leveled by their forebears.​
read more here

Oh, I forgot. The psychotic anti-Catholic can't read more than 3 lines.

What Is Paranoid Psychosis? Symptoms and Treatment Options, Explained
I know majority of this post is copy-pasted but I’ll clarify one thing: “Mormons” don’t systematically hate Catholics or the Catholic Church (I’m writing this as a “Mormon”). Catholics shoulder be persecuted or smeared or any other anti-Catholic junk. No! They should be treated with respect! Including saying the obvious fact that they are Christians, vast majority* love Christ, and vast majority* have real valid faith. Obviously I don’t believe that Catholics are the One True Church, but I do strive to respect the faith as a whole and individuals. Including super in depth study of the faith for many months- attending mass, reading thier literature, asking questions, etc. People should be respected!

*The “vast majority” disclaimer is there just acknowledging that there are some bad eggs in that set of pews, just like in every other set.
 

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I COULD explain to you that Jesus spoke Aramaic to His Apostles – and NOT Greek . . .

I COULD explain to you the the in Aramaic, Kepha” means ROCK – not small rock or large rock – just ROCK . . .

I COULD explain to you that, in his letters, Paul refers to PeterNOT as :peter”, but as “Cephaas”, a Greek transliteration of the Aramaic. Kepha . . .
HOWEVER
– I’ll let these PROTESTANT scholars do the explainin’ for me . .

Protestant Scholarship on Peter the Rock . . .
...
Claiming 'syriac' or 'Aramaic' is moot. There is not a single shred of evidence that the NT (as a whole) was ever written in 'Aramaic', or that Jesus primarily spoke such to the disciples. Are there certain 'Aramaic' words utilized? Sure, but that is no different than myself, or anyone speaking to others and throwing in a word from a differing language while speaking or writing to a certain audience, right uso?

In the NT, it is evident that the Jews spoke "Hebrew", not 'Aramaic':

Act_21:40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,

Act_22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)
Paul was clear in the use of the word, "Hebrew":

Php_3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
How do we know that the Jews spoke "Hebrew" and not 'Aramaic'? Simple, when Jesus spoke some Aramaic words upon the Cross, the Pharisees mistook them to mean Elias (Elijah), and not God (El). They could not have mistaken that if they had understood 'Aramaic', and they were the learned leaders of the Jews..

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mat 27:47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.​

Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mar 15:35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.​

In the NT, the evidence that Jesus spoke primarily "Hebrew", not primarily 'Aramaic', is evident in His appearance to Paul on the road to Damascus:

Act_26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.​

Or we could cite the reference of John in the Gospel and in the Revelation:

Joh_5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.​

Rev_9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Rev_16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.​

When the Bible wants to specifically identify a language it is clear as to what languge it refers to:

Dan_2:4 Then spake the Chaldeans to the king in Syriack, O king, live for ever: tell thy servants the dream, and we will shew the interpretation.

Ezr_4:7 And in the days of Artaxerxes wrote Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel, and the rest of their companions, unto Artaxerxes king of Persia; and the writing of the letter was written in the Syrian tongue, and interpreted in the Syrian tongue.

Act_1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

Rev_9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.​

Nowhere, in the NT, do we see that Jesus primarily spoke in 'Syriack'.

Selectively quoting so-called 'protestant' 'Scholarship' (sic), and even selectively among so-called 'Protestants' (sic) is disingenuous, and shows how your theology cannot actually be defended from the historical or even hermenutical position.

Anchor Bible, Vol. 26, Matthew, (195), simply asserts their position, with very little actual evidence of support. It is basically a personal commentary notation section - Anchor Bible. Vol.26, Matthew : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Let's see how true your own statement is:

"HOWEVER – I’ll let these PROTESTANT scholars do the explainin’ for me . ."

Albert Barnes (18th-19th Cent.), also said:

"... the Church of Rome has abused it, and applied it to what was never intended ...", "... Christ did not mean, as the Roman Catholics say he did, to exalt Peter to supreme authority above all the other apostles, or to say that he was the only one upon whom he would rear his church. ..." - Albert Barnes, Matthew 16:18 Commentary​

Why do you only quote the part of Barnes which you need him to say, and not the part which entirely distances itself from Romanism's theology?

John Albert Broadus, is also likewise selectively quoted, by leaving out his clear statements which proved my original material on the subject on the so called ECF:

John Albert Broadus speaks of the Romish "... abuse ..." of Matthew 16:18, and it's perversion of doctrine, when he says, "Now apart from the Romish perversion ..." (page 355) - Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew : Broadus, John Albert, 1827-1895 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

"... The early Fathers, ... are for the Roman Catholic an authority, only second to that of Scripture. For him ... it is a grave difficulty that some of the most distinguished Fathers interpret the rock otherwise. Chrys. expressly says on our (left column to right column) passage, "On this rock; that is on the faith of his confession." He often elsewhere gives the same interpretation and never any other. Once he remarks, "He did not say upon Peter, for it was not upon man, but upon his faith." Maldonatus would have trouble in applying to this expression his "reverent" interpretation that those Fathers who say the church was built on the faith and confession of Peter really meant on Peter, because of his faith and confession. Chrysostom's explanation is also given by his contemporaries Gregory of Nyssa and Isidore of Pelusium, and the Latin Father Hilary, and by the later Greek Fathers Theodoret, Theophanes, Theophylact, John of Damascus. ..." (356) - Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew : Broadus, John Albert, 1827-1895 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Why didn't you cite those relevant portions to the matter, which shows the error of the Romanist's position?

Craig L. Blomberg (20th Cent.) writes like a Catholic, though he claims to be Baptist. he uses a lot of similar catholic terminology, and borrows the assumptions of Romanism. However, why do you quote only part of Craig L. Blomberg, and not the parts which detract from the importance you place upon his other words?

"... 99 Interestingly, J. E. Bigane III (Faith, Christ or Peter: Matthew 16:18 in Sixteenth Century Roman Catholic Exegesis [Washington: UPA, 1981]) shows that prior to 1560, even in Roman Catholic circles, there was great diversity of interpretation of this verse, which only later hardened to viewing just Peter as the rock as a counterresponse to Luther's protests. (page 252)

"... Jesus, however, implies nothing here of any particular church structure or government; he merely promises that he will establish a gathered community of his followers and help them grow. 102 ..." (page 253)

"... At any rate, there is obviously nothing in these verses of the distinctively Catholic doctrines of the papacy, apostlic sucession, or Petrine infallibility ..."

"... In fact, in Acts, Peter seems to decrease in importance as the church grows ..." (256) - Matthew : Blomberg, Craig : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

It looks to me like your own sources explained that Romanism doesn't have a rock to stand on at all.

Why, as a Romanist, do you cite 18th-20th century persons (called 'protestants', but not really), instead of the vast majority of the ECF, of which all Romanists agree are authoritative in matters pertaining to Christianity as they are interpreted by the official Magisterium of Rome, and it's Curia and 'See'?

Do you think they have any authority, or even any relevance to the discussion at all, for me?

Allow me to assure you, they have none in either case. You might as well be citing Dr. Suess, or some other fiction, as attempting to prove the Romanists point. ""There are rocks in my socks!", said the Ox to the Fox."
 
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To them, Christian Rome and pagan Rome are one and the same. The lies continue to this day.
I dunt know about the JWs, but there are enough adventists here who can confirm or deny your theories about them off you asked so you didn't need to embarrass yourself.
For the record. Adventists do not believe Christian Rome and pagan Rome are one and the same. Not at all. What we believe is that Catholic Rome inherited (therefore not the same) many of the pagan traditions of not only pagan Rome, but also Greece and Babylon. These traditions not found in scripture have been pinpointed many times on this forum, but one should suffice to prove my point. Sunday sacredness.
 

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I know majority of this post is copy-pasted but I’ll clarify one thing: “Mormons” don’t systematically hate Catholics or the Catholic Church (I’m writing this as a “Mormon”).
Try reading 1 Nephi 13 (chapter) in which Romanism is identified as the "abominable church", church of the devil (Great Whore of Revelation 17 & 18), "Babylon" in Rome, which made "war with the "saints"". Follow your own LDS notations on the official website. I did.
 

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KJV Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
There is one other verse that has a dragon and a woman in the same verse. Genesis 3:15. Your theology doesn't permit you to make the connections.
 

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What are you talking about??
Dan. 3:56-88 is THIRTY-TWO (32) VERSEWS long and each verse REPEATS the EXACT SAME PRAYER.
Please copy paste Daniel 3:56-88 that we may study it together.
As for your other point, please explain again how I am wrong in this statement... quote: The Bible itself explains how Elijah, Moses, (and Enoch) for(sic) got to glory before anyone else.
 
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