The End of AIDS?

Hey Aspen,

Certainly there are demographics which can be apportioned. However, I maintain that if a "cure" might be "discovered", it might be the removal of an appendage. Then those risks and rates should decline.

Matt 5:30
[sup]30[/sup] And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.



BibleScribe

So i am going to guess Biblescribe that you don't pray and ask God to help us find a cure. I guess all those babies that die deserved it. Next time you get a cold bibleScribe why don't you cut off your nose! You are not funny!

Luke 13:4 Jesus tells us that just because bad things happened to people does not mean they were more wicked than other people.

aspen said:

sin would not be a problem either.......

dwelling on what should be instead of focusing on what is isn't helpful

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There is a cure for it and the Bible tells us how.
You should listen to the Pope to bro if you say you are a Catholic as are your views in line with the Pope?
Or is it Saint aspen we are dealing with.
If we should walk in Christ there would be no real problem in the world, but when one gets off track there will always be more problems, the wages of Sin ? and i am coming from foundations that are true am i not. dear aspen.
Or am i wrong, or should i be more concerned with running around chasing the horse after it has bolted then the foundations that would of prevented it from running loose.

aspen said:

The Bible is the Word of God written from human perspective.

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-- This arrogant, biased, unsubstantiated opinion is held by people who don't want to accept the positions that God holds on the areas of their lives, or lives of their friends, loved ones, or members of a group that they wish to support.

To claim the Bible is written from 'human perspective' is to support the idea that certain parts of the Bible may not be correct.
That is done to try to find a way to support, well, sin.

It also implies that God is just fine having the world follow His instruction through a book that has incorrectly recorded what He was saying.

It is wrong, period.

I seen on TV some years ago hear in Australia a gov mob were talking about AIDS and they were in a pickle as to trying to figure out why our AIDS numbers were not up to there expectations it was like they were devastated by it. going on about PC rubbish that we were not up to the rest of the worlds rates. so we seen a big immigration of people from the most AIDS infected place in the world take place, now one of our least media popular politicians came out and warned that these people do not even get tested for AIDS before they can come hear, and the reason why they don't is because it would not be PC to do so.
I believe our gov don't want to stop AIDS at all and have done noting at all to try to stop it. maybe there is big money in it or ?

aspen said:

According to Bono, we are actually at the point in advancement and treatment of AIDS where we can get ahead of the curve through treatment of women, especially pregnant women and stop the spread of this disease. Within 20 years of stopping the spread, it is possible to wipe it out completely. If this really is possible, perhaps the stigma of the disease (God's judgment on homosexuals) will die out too. BTW, George W. Bush actually did 100x more to make this possible than any other President in history. Very exciting!

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There are many who are eager to embrace any pestilence as a thing from God......as long as it doesn't touch THEIR lives. AIDS is one example. Like the self-righteous pharisees who were proud of the righteousness in Jesus' day, these are secretly glad to hear news of suffering from AIDS. After all, gay sinners deserve it, don't they?

Maybe they do and maybe they don't.

The Bible says that we are all condemned before God and that only His righteousness can spare us a terrible fate. Therefore our own goodness is not a factor of consideration before the throne of the Almighty.

It should be considered, therefore, that AIDS is NOT a judgment from God. Why? I think the Bible gives us a clue. Crazy me, I go to the Bible for guidance. Oh well. Please bear with me in a little insanity.

The Biblical pattern of divine judgment is one of messages delivered from His prophets over a period of years. Repent of such and such or I will judge, God says in effect. In some cases the warnings by Biblical prophets went on for years and decades. When the hammer fell it was permanent. No backing out after the fact and no reverses of trends. If AIDS was a judgment from God there would have been detailed messages for years ahead of time and once done it would be irreversable. Anybody remember hearing of such a thing? No. Is medicine making progress in treatment and prevention? Yes. Maybe I'm wrong about these points. If someone knows differently, please say so.

Where then did AIDS come from? Does it not seem strange to anyone that it appeared full blown on the world scene in the late 1970's? At that time it began in Africa, not among American gays, not among prostitutes either. Jesse Ventura, former governor of Michigan, stated in his book 63 DOCUMENTS THAT THE US GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE that AIDS was created and distributed by the US government intelligence community. His book publishes copies of government documents to prove his point.

It is well known at this point in time that in the 1950's the US government was actively pursuing mind control drugs and procedures. One of the drugs to be produced by this research was the hallucinogenic drug LSD. Such drugs and mind control techniques were designed to be used for covert operations such as assassinations and population control. There is evidence to suggest that Sirhan Sirhan was under such an influence when he was present at the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy. He doesn't remember shooting anyone and there were more bullet holes in the room than bullets in his gun.

It is interesting to note that central Africa is rich in minerals and precious metals. 21% of the world's supply of gold comes from mines there, not to mention rare earth elements used in our electronic circuitry. How mysterious then that AIDS should spring up there and decimate the population. It's unfortunate that the rest of the world should ultimately be affected, but in the parlance of the government it's collateral damage.

What do you think? Conspiracy theories? Nutty talk? Let me testify to you that I was personally involved in such a conspiracy in the middle east about forty years ago. Twice. Except for the grace of God, for which I give hearty thanks and praise, neither I nor the men with me would have survived. Since then I lend an ear to folks like Jesse Ventura who tell the truth. I consider what they say and do not dismiss it out of hand.

Is AIDS from God. I think not. Was AIDS created by the American intelligence community to "thin the herd", so to speak? You know what I think. It's my opinion you should consider some reason for it other than the unjust actions of the divine. My God wouldn't do that. Would yours? I'm sick and tired of hearing how God is to blame for all the sins of man. It's time we started taking a hard look elsewhere starting right here at home.

I think I know who would do such a thing (AIDS). If you're honest with yourself you'll have suspicions too.

Representatives from GLAAD said in 2008 that the main issue with AIDS afflicting the gay community is the behavior of the members of that community.

Knowing that unprotected sex, multiple partners, and activities such as felching, fisting, etc. cause the spread, those members are willingly still participating in those practices.

GLAAD also made two other points:

1. Those types of activities go up any time there is a rumor of a cure because they know they just have to say alive long enough to get the cure.
Then, when no cure manifests, people who have gotten that disease via unsafe practices demand that something be done for them.

2. More money is spent on AIDS in the U.S. due to effective lobbing than almost any other illness or affliction. This, even though some other affclictions, like heart disease and certain cancers have (in some cases) several times the death toll in the U.S. in a given year.

There is also a subset within the community who is intentionally trying to become infected with the virus:
http://aids.about.com/od/safersexresources/a/barebacking.htm
http://www.okcupid.com/forum?tid=8595878255754195668

I understand that eating habits can increase the chance of heart disease and smoking can increase the chance of cancer, but playing roulette with one cheeseburger or cigarette is not going to cause those diseases - unlike engaging in unprotected sexual activity between homosexuals.

If you know that your chance of getting aids can be greatly reduced by wearing a condom and not engaging in certain sexual activities or having multiple partners, but you choose to that route anyway, then you are one of the reasons that AIDS continues to be an issue in the United States.

More money isn't the solution. A change of behavior is...

Aspen, enhance your calm LOL

You will note that my focus was the United States.

But if you will be honest then you would see the only way it is going to change in Africa is ALSO a change in behavior.

The two example you provided show that.

Most High Father Yahwey, In Jesus name I pray that we find a cure for aids! I'm just asking for a little restoration. A defeat of Satan and sickness and illness as we know that you are life. Thank you father, in Jesus name!

aspen said:

According to Bono, we are actually at the point in advancement and treatment of AIDS where we can get ahead of the curve through treatment of women, especially pregnant women and stop the spread of this disease. Within 20 years of stopping the spread, it is possible to wipe it out completely. If this really is possible, perhaps the stigma of the disease (God's judgment on homosexuals) will die out too. BTW, George W. Bush actually did 100x more to make this possible than any other President in history. Very exciting!

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I find that the key advice, here, is the same for all those suffering from hard to control diseases. It is the same advice for those with any genetic problems and the same advice that all Christians should be following...Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life...which means that by following him we induce a condition which reinforces our inner strength to fight unwanted ailments. Clearly...if we can strengthen our ability to fight virus' by strengthening our immune defence system we are on a winner. This reasoning states clearly that by upbuilding our spirit according to the accurate teaching of Jesus Christ...we are doing just that.

Where is the belief in the Bible. By his stripes we are healed! One says we must strengthen our immune system and another says medicine is stronger than the power of God. The Scientology seem to be doing better than us. Of course just like religion, they throw out all the imperfect first. Then they get to heal people who are not sick. The sick need a physician and his name is Jesus Christ! And he heals today tomorrow and yesterday! If the Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead lives in us, then why don't we do the works of Christ. Sorry Brothers and sisters, but if we are not doing better than atheists then maybe we need to get saved. I personally intend to find out if I am saved or not. Do I belong to Christ or not? Jesus Christ came to set the captive free! He came to provide healing and restoration for us all! If the Spirit of Christ lives in me, then the test will be do I do his works or not! If Jesus was here in person he would heal every case of aides that he encountered because he came to set us free. He healed all who were oppressed by the devil and all sickness is from the devil. God made us perfect and wishes to restore us in the midst of sickness and pain! And HalleluYAH we will all be healed. Yes we suffer! I for one am called out to do the works my Father wants me to do! Please believe Gods word! Please do Gods word! If Christ lives in you then do his works. If you are not able to heal aides with the Spirit of Christ that lives in you then do not talk about it, because that is powerless religion and not walking in the love of Christ. Read psalms 103. Even before Christ came, Yahweh said he forgave all your iniquity and healed all your diseases. I am going to choose to believe Gods word!

God did give us medicine and knowledge for sure. I was just trying to make the point that God can supernaturally heal any and all illness. I believe that all illness is the result of the fall. I believe that all illness is oppression. I know that Jesus heals all illnesses.

aspen said:

AIDS is a worldwide disease. I agree, stopping the transference of all diseases requires behavior change. Are you ready to be honest about this?

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-- Of course. Are you ready to be honest about the fact that not speaking out against the sexual practices that cause the spread of the disease actually make things worse instead of better?