What Is The Difference Between Grace And The Law ?

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Prentis

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It does say that by grace we stand... Walking by faith means to walk by faith as opposed to sight, in other words, believe the Lord though our senses scream the opposite, and so does the whole world! That is the WAY we walk. Grace on the other hand is the strength, the power by which we stand. It is the strength of God in us! :)

The Law doesn't give us the power of salvation - it is only the measuring stick for how far we have fallen.

I like this, well said! Then grace is the power of God which we enter by faith, by which we can be restored to the place from which we have fallen, being clothed in light.
 

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If you had to name one single thing that gives you your power to overcome what would you name?
 

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If you had to name one single thing that gives you your power to overcome what would you name?

It is Christ, always Christ! It is by the Spirit!

When we are reaping of the Spirit (having already sown to the Spirit), we walk in the love of God, and we are not within reach of sin. On the other hand, when we are reaping from the flesh (having already sown to the flesh), sin is inescapable.
 

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It is Christ, always Christ! It is by the Spirit!

When we are reaping of the Spirit (having already sown to the Spirit), we walk in the love of God, and we are not within reach of sin. On the other hand, when we are reaping from the flesh (having already sown to the flesh), sin is inescapable.

Amen. 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

Is faith our actual power then? Or is, even it, only a pipeline to the real power?

We could correctly say that we get our power "through or by faith". But we cannot correctly say faith is our power.

I am illustrating where the confusion is born. For we could say we get our power "by faith" and some would think we mean faith is that actual power. But the reality is that when we get something "by" something else it means that thing "by" which we obtained the thing sought for was only a tool to get to that thing sought for.

We could even say that we found the power of God "in faith" only because faith is like a pipeline so that the power is passed "in" and "through" (or, "by") it. Yet we would not really be saying that faith was that power nor should it be understood to mean that.

This detail may seem quite petty to some but if we would follow these same principles back to and through Christ to God and also from Christ all the way back to grace we will be able to then see where we have erred in some of what we thought.

Grace makes possible faith's use for without God showed grace toward us our faith could not have been recognized.

So grace is the loving and undeserved kindness of God that made it possible for our faith to be of value. Without grace we would have been and remained dead. Grace gave us a stay from the everlasting execution of our deserved punishment for the purpose of allowing us to attach to the power of life through faith and obedience to the word of God which is as stored treasure in Christ.

That word which is stored in Christ is the real power for it is the Father's life-giving word which breathes life into all things.

1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

John 14:24 "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."
 

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Why has no one asked the question of just HOW... Israel survived total destruction by God under the Old Covenant, since they couldn't keep His law?

God's grace has always existed. God established the fleshy priesthood under the Old Covenant to make atonement for the sins of the people after they broke His law. His establishing of the sons of Aaron and Levi as priests for the people certainly was about God's grace then also. Not every sin was punishable by death under the Old Covenant. And that's how many of the people of Israel survived the Old Covenant system requirements to keep God's law. The priests had to first cleanse by animal sacrifice their own sins before they could be mediators for the sins of the people. It also involved various ritual washings, giving of firstfruits, strict observance of holy days, appearing before God in Jerusalem certain periods of the year, etc.

When Christ Jesus brought the New Covenant by His Blood Sacrifice, He became... The Mediator of a better Covenant, showing God's Grace applied in a different way, and to other peoples besides His chosen Israel. His fulfilling of the law never meant the end of all of God's laws, but the replacing of all the Old Covenant religious ritual laws and blood ordinances (Col.2; Eph.2:14-15). Instead, Christ became... those things, even as our High Priest and Mediator for us directly to The Father, ending the need of a fleshy priest system and fleshy religious ritual that was given under the Old Covenant.

God's laws still exist to define sin, as others have mentioned. Our Lord Jesus Christ is our Mediator to The Father in covering our sins, if we repent to Him. The Book of Hebrews describes in detail those changes by Christ Jesus per The New Covenant.

In 1 Cor.5:7 Apostle Paul also reveals some of this, when he declared Christ Jesus as 'our Passover sacrificed for us'. Under the Old Covenant Passover, there was a requirement of animal sacrifice, keeping of certain feast days, eating bitter herbs as a remembrance, and clearing leaven out of one's home. God's Passover to be kept forever by Israel did not end, but HOW it was to be kept DID change through Christ Jesus by The New Covenant. Christ Himself became Israel's, and us Gentile's Lamb Sacrifice in maintaining God's Passover forever. We no longer have to sacrifice, nor keep to certain feast days for that, nor eat bitter herbs, nor clear our houses of leaven, for those were of the Old Covenant religious ritual system.

This is why under The New Covenant through Christ Jesus, we are to become priests in a spiritual new way through Him. One of the main duties of leaders in Christ's Churches is to teach us how to become priests, so as to reign with our Lord Jesus Christ. We are not... to have yet another fleshy priesthood over us serving like the Old Covenant Levitical system as mediators for us. We are to go to The Father directly through our One Mediator Jesus Christ. Because many will not heed that, they are still treating many leaders in the Churches as if they are the new Levitical priesthood, thinking they can only come to Christ Jesus through them. And for this cause, some Church leaders are haughty and puffed up, thinking they themselves have the Power to save one's soul (see Ezek.13 about this). Their job is to bring us... to Christ Jesus, and to teach us His Ways, so we can learn how to become His priests.
 

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By faith we have access to grace! Amen! :)

I have waited for a period before responding to this simple and unchallengeable truth just so I could meditate on it.

It is a beautiful truth.

Even though it is but one perspective of the entire body of truth.

For if we access that grace only through our faith then that would be like we were the first to love.

But we know that God was the first to love us.

And we know that He loved us while we were yet sinners. (Romans 5:8 "But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.") (1 John 4:19 "We love him, because he first loved us.")

And we know that God's love for us was while we existed only in the loins of Adam. ("Revelation 13:8 "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.") (Hebrews 7:9-10 "And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.")

So we see that because God loved us first, His grace has been there from the moment Adam sinned (born of His love) for us to have that grace available to our faith.

One perspective of truth does not alter the other or make the other untrue. They merely complete each the other to give us a fuller picture.

And what a beautiful picture it is.
 

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Yes! :)

By faith we have access to enough grace to be just as he is. But in his mercy, God bestows grace upon men while they are still frail in faith, to teach them and train them to walk in faith.
 

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Grace is the foundation of creation. We are surrounded by God's Grace.
 

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Why has no one asked the question of just HOW... Israel survived total destruction by God under the Old Covenant, since they couldn't keep His law?

God's grace has always existed. God established the fleshy priesthood under the Old Covenant to make atonement for the sins of the people after they broke His law. His establishing of the sons of Aaron and Levi as priests for the people certainly was about God's grace then also. Not every sin was punishable by death under the Old Covenant. And that's how many of the people of Israel survived the Old Covenant system requirements to keep God's law. The priests had to first cleanse by animal sacrifice their own sins before they could be mediators for the sins of the people. It also involved various ritual washings, giving of firstfruits, strict observance of holy days, appearing before God in Jerusalem certain periods of the year, etc.

When Christ Jesus brought the New Covenant by His Blood Sacrifice, He became... The Mediator of a better Covenant, showing God's Grace applied in a different way, and to other peoples besides His chosen Israel. His fulfilling of the law never meant the end of all of God's laws, but the replacing of all the Old Covenant religious ritual laws and blood ordinances (Col.2; Eph.2:14-15). Instead, Christ became... those things, even as our High Priest and Mediator for us directly to The Father, ending the need of a fleshy priest system and fleshy religious ritual that was given under the Old Covenant.

God's laws still exist to define sin, as others have mentioned. Our Lord Jesus Christ is our Mediator to The Father in covering our sins, if we repent to Him. The Book of Hebrews describes in detail those changes by Christ Jesus per The New Covenant.

In 1 Cor.5:7 Apostle Paul also reveals some of this, when he declared Christ Jesus as 'our Passover sacrificed for us'. Under the Old Covenant Passover, there was a requirement of animal sacrifice, keeping of certain feast days, eating bitter herbs as a remembrance, and clearing leaven out of one's home. God's Passover to be kept forever by Israel did not end, but HOW it was to be kept DID change through Christ Jesus by The New Covenant. Christ Himself became Israel's, and us Gentile's Lamb Sacrifice in maintaining God's Passover forever. We no longer have to sacrifice, nor keep to certain feast days for that, nor eat bitter herbs, nor clear our houses of leaven, for those were of the Old Covenant religious ritual system.

This is why under The New Covenant through Christ Jesus, we are to become priests in a spiritual new way through Him. One of the main duties of leaders in Christ's Churches is to teach us how to become priests, so as to reign with our Lord Jesus Christ. We are not... to have yet another fleshy priesthood over us serving like the Old Covenant Levitical system as mediators for us. We are to go to The Father directly through our One Mediator Jesus Christ. Because many will not heed that, they are still treating many leaders in the Churches as if they are the new Levitical priesthood, thinking they can only come to Christ Jesus through them. And for this cause, some Church leaders are haughty and puffed up, thinking they themselves have the Power to save one's soul (see Ezek.13 about this). Their job is to bring us... to Christ Jesus, and to teach us His Ways, so we can learn how to become His priests.


Wow... I enjoyed that post.

If we can get the Church to understand they are the Temple of God
and that God is indwelling their bodies, there is no telling what could
happen in the Spirit. We are becoming kings and priests under the
authority of the Melchizedek Priesthood. Jesus is our High Priest.

Logabe
 
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