I have been wondering for a while, as God did not give specific instructions regarding the commital of adultery;Firstly, can you commit adultery if you are in non-married relationship (obviously you need to have a special bond with someone to move on in a relationship and if they have intercourse / relations with another person in that time beforehand marriage).Secondly, what is adultery punishable by? Should the person who has commited the crime by punished verbally, or should the relationship between the couple end / divorce?
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Firstly, can you commit adultery if you are in non-married relationship (obviously you need to have a special bond with someone to move on in a relationship and if they have intercourse / relations with another person in that time beforehand marriage).
Well the Greek word in the NT for 'fornication' is 'porneia' and this word includes basically anything defined as immorality including premarital sex and so on. Then we have the instruction of Christ which tells us:Matthew 5:27-28Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.Jesus also said:Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.In other words, Jesus told us that what was given long before he came included this. I think this makes a very important point. That what's given in the Bible(in terms of law) is not just confined to that single situation. Here we see that to even lust upon another is a sin included in the original "definition" if you will. One would have to conclude given the above evidence that it would be a sin to commit adultery even in a relationship and results in impurity and sexual immorality.
Secondly, what is adultery punishable by? Should the person who has commited the crime by punished verbally, or should the relationship between the couple end / divorce?
Leviticus 20:10And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.Deuteronomy 22:22If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
Well the Greek word in the NT for 'fornication' is 'porneia' and this word includes basically anything defined as immorality including premarital sex and so on. Then we have the instruction of Christ which tells us:Matthew 5:27-28Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.Jesus also said:Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.In other words, Jesus told us that what was given long before he came included this. I think this makes a very important point. That what's given in the Bible(in terms of law) is not just confined to that single situation. Here we see that to even lust upon another is a sin included in the original "definition" if you will. One would have to conclude given the above evidence that it would be a sin to commit adultery even in a relationship and results in impurity and sexual immorality.
Secondly, what is adultery punishable by? Should the person who has commited the crime by punished verbally, or should the relationship between the couple end / divorce?
Leviticus 20:10And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.Deuteronomy 22:22If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
SabreNotice in the above examples that Swapfox has given that the the ones that say you must die are from the old testament ,before Christ,the old covenet is in effect.Although Christ did not change the Law, for those,like the Jews, muslims,ext. who do not accept Jesus as thier Lord.The law of the old covenet is still in effect.For those that do accept Jesus as your savior you come under the New Covenet(promise)which is simply repent (ask for forgivness with all your heart) and you are forgiven.All sins are forgivable with rependance from the heart. Except the one unforgivable sin which cant happen untill the Anti-christ is physically on earth,which he isnt so it can not be committed yet.
MARRIED YOU ENTER IN A COVENANT WITH GOD..........ITS NOT JUST TWO IT’S THREE THE COUPLE JOINED IN MARRIAGE..............AND JESUS AT THE HELM................ITS WHY WE AS BELIEVERS ARE NOT TO BE UNEQUALLY YOKED TOGETHER............. Matthew 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.UNEQUALLY YOKED2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?SEE LIGHT AND DARKNESS CANNOT DWELL IN THE SAME HOUSE.Job 38:19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,ONCE SAVED YOU ARE FILLED WITH THE LIGHT OF GOD.............AND DARKNESS IS NO LONGER THERE.SEXUAL RELATIONS .................BETWEEN THE UNMARRIED...........IS CALLED THE SIN OF FORNICATION............IT NOT PERMISSIBLE ETHER.I Cor. 7: 1 7And concerning the things of which ye wrote to me: good 'it is' for a man not to touch a woman, 2 and because of the *whoredom let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her proper husband; 3 to the wife let the husband the due benevolence render, and in like manner also the wife to the husband; 4 the wife over her own body hath not authority, but the husband; and, in like manner also, the husband over his own body hath not authority, but the wife. 5 Defraud not one another, except by consent for a time, that ye may be free for fasting and prayer, and again may come together, that the Adversary may not tempt you because of your incontinence; 6 and this I say by way of concurrence—not of command, 7 for I wish all men to be even as I myself 'am'; but each his own gift hath of God, one indeed thus, and one thus. 8 And I say to the unmarried and to the widows: it is good for them if they may remain even as I 'am'; 9 and if they have not continence—let them marry, for it is better to marry than to burn;10 and to the married I announce—not I, but the Lord—let not a wife separate from a husband: 11 but and if she may separate, let her remain unmarried, or to the husband let her be reconciled, and let not a husband send away a wife. 12 And to the rest I speak—not the Lord—if any brother hath a wife unbelieving, and she is pleased to dwell with him, let him not send her away; 13 and a woman who hath a husband unbelieving, and he is pleased to dwell with her, let her not send him away; 14 for the unbelieving husband hath been sanctified in the wife, and the unbelieving wife hath been sanctified in the husband; otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. 15 And, if the unbelieving doth separate himself—let him separate himself: the brother or the sister is not under servitude in such 'cases', and in peace hath God called us; 16 for what, hast thou known, O wife, whether the husband thou shalt save? or what, hast thou known, O husband, whether the wife thou shalt save?JUDE7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.IN THE NEW TEST. THE ADULTERER WAS STONED TO DEATH..........AND NEXT DAY THE INNOCENT PARTY WAS FREE TO REMARRY.TODAY.....................WE DO NOT STONE ANYONE TO DEATH.A MARRIAGE COVENANT BROKEN...............THROUGH ADULTERY..........IS DEATH TO THE MARRIAGE...............IT WILL NEVER BE WHAT IT WAS........IF AT ALL....................SO IT IS DEAD....................THE SIN IS ALSO PUNISHABLE BY DEATH...................ETERNAL.HAVE HOPE.............................JESUS DOES FORGIVE......................IF ONE WILL ASK OF FORGIVENESS .....................WHEN WE ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF OUR SINS HE SEPARATES THEM FROM US.............AS FAR AS THE EAST IS FROM THE WEST.................Psalm 103:12 As the distance of east from west He hath put far from us our transgressions.John 8:11 and she said, 'No one, Sir;' and Jesus said to her, 'Neither do I pass sentence on thee; be going on, and no more sin.'GOD BLESSLOVE123
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Well the Greek word in the NT for 'fornication' is 'porneia' and this word includes basically anything defined as immorality including premarital sex and so on.
"...anything defined as immorality..." is a very broad phrase. But "Porneia" and/or fornication is much more specific... "... harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication."I always get a little nervous when I read broad and/or sweeping statements regarding morality. Morality is defined by Wiki as "...a system of principles and judgments based on cultural, religious, and philosophical concepts and beliefs, by which humans determine whether given actions are right or wrong." BUT, the words above do not cover anything that's immoral... but specifically non-marital sexual relations. Lyte
Well the Greek word in the NT for 'fornication' is 'porneia' and this word includes basically anything defined as immorality including premarital sex and so on.
"...anything defined as immorality..." is a very broad phrase. But "Porneia" and/or fornication is much more specific... "... harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication."I always get a little nervous when I read broad and/or sweeping statements regarding morality. Morality is defined by Wiki as "...a system of principles and judgments based on cultural, religious, and philosophical concepts and beliefs, by which humans determine whether given actions are right or wrong." BUT, the words above do not cover anything that's immoral... but specifically non-marital sexual relations. Lyte
Well, that statement should say 'sexual immorality' first off, though the word is also used to denote those who go after other gods.I have to disagree from there. What's immoral is covered in the Bible quite clearly and it includes anything that's not natural in a nutshell. We've come to embrace the idea of "moral ambiguity" in society because it's a comfort to us all. It lets us get away with all of those those "little sins" that we've created, especially in the sexual realm and it is by no means limited to just that one realm.To be honest, there are a lot of statements in the Bible that can make one nervous about what they do or have done.
(SwampFox)
I have to disagree from there. What's immoral is covered in the Bible quite clearly and it includes anything that's not natural in a nutshell.
I don't think everything moral or immoral is covered "quite clearly" in the Bible. There are a great many things that go on today that were not mentioned. I'm not saying the answering can't be found in the Bible but not every issue conceivable is covered. (SwampFox)
To be honest, there are a lot of statements in the Bible that can make one nervous about what they do or have done.
Words in the Bible do not make me nervous. It was the all-encompassing word "anything" that made me pause.
Lyte
I have to disagree from there. What's immoral is covered in the Bible quite clearly and it includes anything that's not natural in a nutshell.
I don't think everything moral or immoral is covered "quite clearly" in the Bible. There are a great many things that go on today that were not mentioned. I'm not saying the answering can't be found in the Bible but not every issue conceivable is covered. (SwampFox)
To be honest, there are a lot of statements in the Bible that can make one nervous about what they do or have done.
Words in the Bible do not make me nervous. It was the all-encompassing word "anything" that made me pause.
I don't think everything moral or immoral is covered "quite clearly" in the Bible. There are a great many things that go on today that were not mentioned. I'm not saying the answering can't be found in the Bible but not every issue conceivable is covered.
Well sure, you can make the argument that specific words, acts, situations, and so on are not mentioned. However, I think it's fairly easy to see where the Bible stands on most any issues - particularly relating to sexuality. In this particular case, porneia can refer to a myriad of sexual acts not just limited to premarital/adulterous sex. It refers to various unnatural sexual acts as well that I'd rather no go into more detail that that for the sake of the people who visit.Besides, God gave us something else to help. It doesn't always work for everyone but often if you'll listen, it will generally provide the answer. That 'something' would be common sense. I don't mean this to sound derrogatory at all by any means nor specifically aimed at you at all for that matter. Common sense includes the feeling of a conscious when you do something you're not going to tell people about and so forth.
Well sure, you can make the argument that specific words, acts, situations, and so on are not mentioned. However, I think it's fairly easy to see where the Bible stands on most any issues - particularly relating to sexuality. In this particular case, porneia can refer to a myriad of sexual acts not just limited to premarital/adulterous sex. It refers to various unnatural sexual acts as well that I'd rather no go into more detail that that for the sake of the people who visit.Besides, God gave us something else to help. It doesn't always work for everyone but often if you'll listen, it will generally provide the answer. That 'something' would be common sense. I don't mean this to sound derrogatory at all by any means nor specifically aimed at you at all for that matter. Common sense includes the feeling of a conscious when you do something you're not going to tell people about and so forth.
I hear what you're saying and can appreciate the point you're trying to make.
In interesting point was made to me some time years back. That being... suggesting the Bible is clear can lead to frustration for others. Meaning, when someone's not "getting it" but they hear everyone else saying... "But it's so clear... " they are left wondering why they're not understanding! I'm just wanting to put forth the notion... the idea... that the Bible is not black and white for everyone nor is it black and white on all subjects. This is NOT the fault of the Bible! This is due to our own inadequacies. Lyte
(Lyte)
I hear what you're saying and can appreciate the point you're trying to make.
In interesting point was made to me some time years back. That being... suggesting the Bible is clear can lead to frustration for others. Meaning, when someone's not "getting it" but they hear everyone else saying... "But it's so clear... " they are left wondering why they're not understanding! I'm just wanting to put forth the notion... the idea... that the Bible is not black and white for everyone nor is it black and white on all subjects. This is NOT the fault of the Bible! This is due to our own inadequacies. Lyte
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I hear what you're saying and can appreciate the point you're trying to make.
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I am a little confused on this subject, was it considered adultery when those of OT days had concubines, and how is this different from the swingers or similar lifestyles of today? How can we expect our spouses to be completely faithful to us when we are not faithful in all ways to God. It seems like too much to ask. We have a sovereign, perfect God, yet we still fail to be faithful, why would we treat our spouses better than God?
Concubines had to fall under the law. They were, in a nutshell, a supplementary family. You'll find the conditions under Exodus 21:7-11 and Deutoronomy 21:10-14 in the Law of Moses. In most cases, legitimately speaking, a concubine was for children only as we see with the patriarchs of the Bible (Abram, Sarai, and Hagar come to mind). However, as we tend to do as humans, we took it and ran in turned it into something that would give us pleasure as a collective group and abused it. Hence the reason you have modern day "swingers" who do it solely for pleasure and all of the other similar lifestyles. Note that abuse took place long before modern the modern era.
How can we expect our spouses to be completely faithful to us when we are not faithful in all ways to God. It seems like too much to ask. We have a sovereign, perfect God, yet we still fail to be faithful, why would we treat our spouses better than God?
Good question. We are certainly not perfect and God recognizes that. The difference between whoring after other gods and whoring after other women isn't really that much. We make mistakes, but there is a difference from making mistakes and committing "adultery" (if you will) with God. Comitting adultery on God is believing/practicing/etc. other religions just as having sexual relations with another woman is comitting adultery. There is no middle ground; you're either for God or against God.Revelation 3:16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.So, the argument there, is that a true God-fearing Christian will not commit adultery in the physical earthly sense. If he does, because of the blood of Christ shed for us, he will receive forgiveness. Whether or not he receives forgiveness from his spouse is a matter that I cannot touch on other than saying it can happen if there is true repentence. It works the same way with God.We are all inherently weak because of our flesh, I'll be the first to say that because I know. However, with God's help those simple urges can be overcome.
How can we expect our spouses to be completely faithful to us when we are not faithful in all ways to God. It seems like too much to ask. We have a sovereign, perfect God, yet we still fail to be faithful, why would we treat our spouses better than God?
Good question. We are certainly not perfect and God recognizes that. The difference between whoring after other gods and whoring after other women isn't really that much. We make mistakes, but there is a difference from making mistakes and committing "adultery" (if you will) with God. Comitting adultery on God is believing/practicing/etc. other religions just as having sexual relations with another woman is comitting adultery. There is no middle ground; you're either for God or against God.Revelation 3:16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.So, the argument there, is that a true God-fearing Christian will not commit adultery in the physical earthly sense. If he does, because of the blood of Christ shed for us, he will receive forgiveness. Whether or not he receives forgiveness from his spouse is a matter that I cannot touch on other than saying it can happen if there is true repentence. It works the same way with God.We are all inherently weak because of our flesh, I'll be the first to say that because I know. However, with God's help those simple urges can be overcome.
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