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I'm a U.S. citizen and I have not supported any such 'genocides'. Nor do I know any American citizen around me that supported any such 'genocides'.

But I do recall MANY Islamic peoples OPENLY and PUBLICALLY gathering in the streets to support the 9/11 Islamic TERRORIST GENOCIDES against United States citizens!

As a matter of fact, Islamic terrorists LIKE to even bomb THEIR OWN INNOCENT ARAB PEOPLES IN MURDERING THEM!!

So take your Islamic propaganda somewhere else!

It isn't propaganda and it doesn't strike me as being supportive of Islamic radicalism either. It IS an accurate reflection of American action and policy. It IS the truth.

The fact that you and I are American citizens means that we indirectly support American atrocities. We may not approve of it, we may be quite vocal about it, some of us may even try very hard to deny it, but the fact is that the world sees us as a Nation, a group, and a society that is extremely violent and antagonistic.

The most violent nation on the planet since 1948 has been the United States. Part of our national propaganda has been to educate our citizens into believing that WE are good and true and right as a nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are aggressive financially, politically and militarily. We are engaged in constant wars (ten concurrent wars as of this writing) with a bloody new one against Iran about to erupt.

Innocent young men enlist in the American military and are trained to become killers in unjust wars. Torture and denial of human rights of our captured enemies is now a matter of public record and fact. Once practiced and condemned by Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, the Soviet Union, Communist China, North Korea, etc., America now does so with impunity. Our citizens support it and justify it, yet it is not right.

I was brought up a Christian in America and I am enraged to see our liberties robbed from us, to see our modern police state execute injustice throughout the world. We were once better than that. America was once a standard for human rights and liberty. Today we are not.

I am a citizen and a veteran of six years honorable military service two of which were spent in the middle east. The Muslim is no saint. I can tell you that with personal conviction and experience. I have no illusions whatsoever. It was in the caldron of my service that I learned two great lessons. Jesus is my savior and the USA is not.

We can be free and right among the community of nations again as well as at home, but before we can return to goodness we MUST acknowledge our faults, our sins and our crimes.
You cannot wash the dirt off your face unless you admit that its dirty and no man gets saved unless he first admits he's a sinner.

America today is pretty rank. We MUST admit it and we MUST work to clean it up. It's worth it for ourselves, for our children and for the future of liberty on this planet.
 

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It isn't propaganda and it doesn't strike me as being supportive of Islamic radicalism either. It IS an accurate reflection of American action and policy. It IS the truth.

The fact that you and I are American citizens means that we indirectly support American atrocities. We may not approve of it, we may be quite vocal about it, some of us may even try very hard to deny it, but the fact is that the world sees us as a Nation, a group, and a society that is extremely violent and antagonistic.

That idea that we as Americans even 'indirectly' support atrocities is a load of crap.

Nor is the Islamic radicalism a result of American actions against them. Instead it's been about self-defense against radical Islam joined with the Communist International. Someone who goes after the young chicks in a bird's nest will have to deal with the momma bird, and she'll come out of her nest after them, on the offensive in order to defend. So radical Islam has gotten what their own hands have created.


The most violent nation on the planet since 1948 has been the United States. Part of our national propaganda has been to educate our citizens into believing that WE are good and true and right as a nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are aggressive financially, politically and militarily. We are engaged in constant wars (ten concurrent wars as of this writing) with a bloody new one against Iran about to erupt.

That definitely is... propaganda, of the Communist-Socialist type. God is Who has appointed the type of leadership over His people for the end, not us. With all the fake votes going on, that is shown all the more that true American's votes are not longer electing who they vote for. Our nation has been taken over by thiefs and robbers, locusts, the army which God said He would send upon His people in the last days. It's sad that you don't know of His warnings about that as written in His Word, and instead are so ready to blame us all for what those locusts are doing!!!


Innocent young men enlist in the American military and are trained to become killers in unjust wars. Torture and denial of human rights of our captured enemies is now a matter of public record and fact. Once practiced and condemned by Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, the Soviet Union, Communist China, North Korea, etc., America now does so with impunity. Our citizens support it and justify it, yet it is not right.

The American people are NOT... the ones responsible. Will you still... be blaming the American people instead of the locust army which God is sending? (probably). In that sense, you're actually blaming our Heavenly Father, for He said these things would happen, and how to be prepared for it. And He certainly did not blame His people that seek and follow Him, i.e., Christianity.

I was brought up a Christian in America and I am enraged to see our liberties robbed from us, to see our modern police state execute injustice throughout the world. We were once better than that. America was once a standard for human rights and liberty. Today we are not.

Good that you're enraged. You should be. It hopefully means you'll open up God's Word more for youself to get understanding about today's times, so you'll know what to expect next, and learn who Christ's real enemies are. They certainly are not the majority of Americans.


I am a citizen and a veteran of six years honorable military service two of which were spent in the middle east. The Muslim is no saint. I can tell you that with personal conviction and experience. I have no illusions whatsoever. It was in the caldron of my service that I learned two great lessons. Jesus is my savior and the USA is not.

Did you notice where radical Islam has been getting their weapons? Lot of them come from the Communist nations, along with advisors and training. That's why you were there in military in the middleast, unless you were there for other reasons you'd like to share.

I served six years in the U.S. military also, during the Vietnam conflict, honorably discharged, but I never hated our U.S. military for trying to defend the peace-loving peoples of South Vietnam from Communist 'aggressors'. That's right, the Communists were the real aggressors, even murdered their own people. When Vietnam was divided into North and South, many thousands of Vietnamese living in the north fled down to South Vietnam to flee Communism. If Communist ideology was so good, how could that happen?


We can be free and right among the community of nations again as well as at home, but before we can return to goodness we MUST acknowledge our faults, our sins and our crimes.
You cannot wash the dirt off your face unless you admit that its dirty and no man gets saved unless he first admits he's a sinner.

America today is pretty rank. We MUST admit it and we MUST work to clean it up. It's worth it for ourselves, for our children and for the future of liberty on this planet.

It ain't gonna' get cleaned up by us. God is going to do it through His Son at His second coming. God said through Daniel a time would come when the power of the holy people (His people) would be removed. It's so as to bring the end of this present world, and bring in His Righteousness upon all... nations. If you're not prepared for things to get worse, it's gonna' drive you crazy. And the times are going to get much worse than they are today. Like Jesus said, those who think to kill us will even think they do God a service.
 

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I just found out the other day that the USA supported Pakistan in its genocide of up to three million Bengalis back in 1971.

This is in addition to all the other atrocities that the USA has been involved with in the past sixty odd years - Panama, Nicaragua, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Chile.

How can anyone seriously regard the USA as anything other than a country dedicated to the wanton destruction of human life?

Lots of blind patriotism here, opposed to your statement. None dare call their own country evil. Not even the Germans in the days of "The Leader". Somebody wave the flag and sing 'old glory'. Make the bad dreams go away.

Truth is, the united States is the most violent cruel nation on the planet. Historically we set up and support dictatorships. Bad ones, too. Why?

How about a quote or two from people who really know what they are talking about.....


The most highly decorated Marine Corps General in US history, Smedley D. Butler understood all too well the real nature of the US Marine Corps and US foreign policy in general when he concluded after his retirement in 1931 that;
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service, and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism." (*)

The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killings.
- Major Ralph Peters


Quotes of Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as His divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems that I can hear God saying to America,
'You are too arrogant. If you don't change your ways I will rise up and break the back bone of your power.'"
- (circa 1967)

"The US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today." - 1966

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."

* * *

Approaching? I'd say we've pretty well arrived since one of the symptoms of death is blindness, in our case here - political blindness, historical blindness. No lack of extremist patriotism, though.

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I can't help but end by mentioning that the quoted Gen. Butler was recruited by an American financial cartel in the 1930's to assist in a coup d'etat to overthrow then president Franklin D. Roosevelt. He was to have been set up as a de facto dictator. Butler, however, was a REAL patriot and blew the whistle on the scheme. One of the participants was Prescott Bush, grandfather of George W. Bush. GW you remember was president during a real coup d'etat on 9/11/01 & 10/26/11 and who led us into the current major wars in the middle east.
 

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I am not trying to gloss over the crimes of the UK, BUT ...

1 - the problems of Northern Ireland should not be blamed on British governments but on the terrorists who planted the bombs.

2 - the British empire was in many ways beneficial. I know it is not PC to say so, but it is accurate.

British rule did not fleece resources. It introduced resources. Rubber trees are not native to Malaysia.


You're kidding...Right?
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I'm not going to take the time to list all the historical issues of Britian...mainly because it appears you really don't want to know. However...

As Foreigner said...It would be nice if you actually learned the facts before making outragious claims.

Do some research...Google "atrocities of Britian". I guarantee it will be a real eye opener for you.

As far as the US goes...There is not a perfect nation on this earth. There is not a good, righteous politician on this earth. They are all lesser evils. Having said that...I'll take the imperfections of the US over any other country.
 

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Being that this is a Christian (as opposed to political) forum, please consider that the U.S. is the only nation which Scripture speaks in such a positive note:

Psalms 45:17
I will make Your name to be remembered in all generations;
Therefore the people shall praise You forever and ever.
 

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What makes you so certain that scripture is talking about the US?

Besides...This is the "Political Forum".
 

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Besides...This is the "Political Forum".

Hi The Gypsy,

LOL, -- Yeah, I didn't even look at the Forum title, just the topic title. :wacko: -- But at least my answer was both Scriptural AND Political. :D


What makes you so certain that scripture is talking about the US?

Did you want the long answer which will equip you to make both the cited determination, and others, -- or did you want the short answer? (I prefer giving the long answer, and as opportunity avails itself, providing the ~50 other citations for this important nation in these end-times.)



PS As a quick hint, the "dread deeds" (plural) spoken of in verse 4:

[sup]4[/sup] In your majesty ride on victoriously
for the cause of truth and to defend the right;
let your right hand teach you dread deeds.

... represent the the TWO materials -- uranium (Little Boy) and plutonium (Fat Man); the TWO technologies -- gun assembled and implosion; and the TWO deployments -- Hiroshima and Nagasaki, respectively.
 

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Sure, -- I'm good for it!

First of all, the Psalms is prophetic to the nation of Israel for the 1900's, chapter for year. And each of the chapters are I/me/we centric except for the 45th. This chapter starts with "you", -- whoever "you" is:

[sup]2[/sup] You are the most excellent of men
and your lips have been anointed with grace,
since God has blessed you forever.


And it turns out the "you" is the men with stripes on their sleeves who opened the concentration camp gates. Thus the already cited "In your majesty ride on victoriously for the cause of truth and to defend the right", which was the reason the U.S. joined the war.

[sup]3[/sup] Gird your sword on your side, you mighty one;
clothe yourself with splendor and majesty.
[sup]4[/sup] In your majesty ride forth victoriously
in the cause of truth, humility and justice;
let your right hand achieve awesome deeds.
[sup]5[/sup] Let your sharp arrows pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies;
let the nations fall beneath your feet.
[sup]6[/sup] Your throne, O God,[sup][c][/sup] will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
[sup]7[/sup] You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.



Were there not many companion nations in alliance, and wasn't the U.S. the premier nation both is it's ability to provide men and material? Did't the arrows of warfare pierce those who stood in violation of God's passion for his creation, -- for the murderous actions by both of the enemies?


And if in the Psalms, then can we find confirmation in Daniel for these years? And if in Daniel, then does Daniel cite the Psalms in this prophetic context?


Daniel 9

2 ... I, Daniel, perceived in the books ...

... discovering that the word "perceived" is not the simple shama, which would infer the reading of a given text from the book of Jeremiah, but rather the complex biyn which has a Solomon wisdom inference. (Please see the 1 Kings 3 exchange between Solomon who asked for shama, but was given biyn, such that no man before him and no man after him shall have such biyn.)


So far so good?
 

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So far so good?

No. It's all theory. There is no way to say with absolute certainly that particular scripture is applicable to the US.

Some say it's continuously being fulfilled as it relates to Solomon others say it's referring to the bride of Christ. And the list goes on...
 
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Hi THE Gypsy,

It's theory to you, but TRUTH from God. The only question is whether you can receive not only what has been presented thus far, but the interlacing evidence. For a house is not built by a single stick, and neither is Scripture. For Scripture confirms Scripture to build the house. (Only a fool would take one verse and make a doctrine.)

But if you change your mind and wish to chew the meat of the Word, then I'd be glad to continue presenting what God has for the church! :) Otherwise it seems that God wasted a whole lot of paper, ink, His time, and our time. ;)
 

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Billy Grahame was the first person to popularize the artificial relationship between Christianity and American. It is an ugly marriage - instead of Christianizing America; like all secular government/religious mix marriages, Christianity ended up being dragged through the mud of politics and processed through the meat grinder of the fallout of national and foreigner policy decisions.

American is not a perfect system of government, but I would not want to live anywhere else.
 

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Billy Grahame was the first person to popularize the artificial relationship between Christianity and American. ...

I won't speculate who popularized any "artificial relationship", but I will identify that David was he FIRST person to designate the true relationship between God and the United States.
 

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I won't speculate who popularized any "artificial relationship", but I will identify that David was he FIRST person to designate the true relationship between God and the United States.

Ah, so King David talked about God and America, huh?
 

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Lots of blind patriotism here, opposed to your statement. None dare call their own country evil. Not even the Germans in the days of "The Leader". Somebody wave the flag and sing 'old glory'. Make the bad dreams go away.

Truth is, the united States is the most violent cruel nation on the planet. Historically we set up and support dictatorships. Bad ones, too. Why?

How about a quote or two from people who really know what they are talking about.....


The most highly decorated Marine Corps General in US history, Smedley D. Butler understood all too well the real nature of the US Marine Corps and US foreign policy in general when he concluded after his retirement in 1931 that;
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service, and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism." (*)

The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killings.
- Major Ralph Peters


Quotes of Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as His divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems that I can hear God saying to America,
'You are too arrogant. If you don't change your ways I will rise up and break the back bone of your power.'"
- (circa 1967)

"The US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today." - 1966

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."

* * *

Approaching? I'd say we've pretty well arrived since one of the symptoms of death is blindness, in our case here - political blindness, historical blindness. No lack of extremist patriotism, though.

(*)
I can't help but end by mentioning that the quoted Gen. Butler was recruited by an American financial cartel in the 1930's to assist in a coup d'etat to overthrow then president Franklin D. Roosevelt. He was to have been set up as a de facto dictator. Butler, however, was a REAL patriot and blew the whistle on the scheme. One of the participants was Prescott Bush, grandfather of George W. Bush. GW you remember was president during a real coup d'etat on 9/11/01 & 10/26/11 and who led us into the current major wars in the middle east.


All of that is gross confusion, for 'the government' of the United States is... 'we the people', not the few bad apples that Socialists and Communists like to try and saddle the whole country with.
 

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Did I misspell something, or use the wrong syntax that you ask what I've already stated?

Nope. The manner in which I arranged the words in my sentence is meant to indicate 'really? tell me more'
 

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.... It is an ugly marriage - instead of Christianizing America; like all secular government/religious mix marriages, Christianity ended up being dragged through the mud of politics and processed through the meat grinder of the fallout of national and foreigner policy decisions.

Amen...And one need look no further than our politicians to prove that point. The really sad thing is so many fall into the trap of voting for these fewls simply because they claim to be "Christian".

American is not a perfect system of government, but I would not want to live anywhere else.

Indeed.

It's theory to you, but TRUTH from God.

Says you. That's not good enough.

The only question is whether you can receive not only what has been presented thus far, but the interlacing evidence. For a house is not built by a single stick, and neither is Scripture. For Scripture confirms Scripture to build the house. (Only a fool would take one verse and make a doctrine.)

No...That is not the "only question". Only pure arrogance would assume that position. As I said before...There is no way to say with absolute certainly that particular scripture is applicable to the US.


But if you change your mind and wish to chew the meat of the Word, then I'd be glad to continue presenting what God has for the church! :) Otherwise it seems that God wasted a whole lot of paper, ink, His time, and our time. ;)


No thanks. You really aren't "presenting" anything other than your opinion and from what I've seen so far...Are not willing to discuss the prospect that you just might be wrong. Not very impressive.
 

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It's theory to you, but TRUTH from God.
Says you. That's not good enough.
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You really aren't "presenting" anything other than your opinion...


Dear THE Gypsy,

How is it that when I quote Scripture and you stop your ears, that it's my fault? Certainly you realize that if someone rejects God as untrue, that God is still true. And so too Scripture which is as I present but you cannot hear.

So rather than shoot the messager, I'd be much happier if you'd simply prove the Scripture I cite. So did you read 1 Kings 3 using either a Concordance or Interlinear? Did you discover that "shama" is a simple understanding, typical of reading the book of Jeremiah, versus "biyn" which is a much higher (i.e., Solomon) level of understanding? And which did you find in Daniel 9:2?


Your Friend,
PropphecyStudent :)




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Dear THE Gypsy,

How is it that when I quote Scripture and you stop your ears, that it's my fault? Certainly you realize that if someone rejects God as untrue, that God is still true. And so too Scripture which is as I present but you cannot hear.

So rather than shoot the messager, I'd be much happier if you'd simply prove the Scripture I cite. So did you read 1 Kings 3 using either a Concordance or Interlinear? Did you discover that "shama" is a simple understanding, typical of reading the book of Jeremiah, versus "biyn" which is a much higher (i.e., Solomon) level of understanding? And which did you find in Daniel 9:2?


Your Friend,
PropphecyStudent :)




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You're missing the point...Here...Try reading slower...There is no way to say with absolute certainly that particular scripture is applicable to the US.

You can run along now. I'm finished with this lack of discussion.
 
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