What Should A Person Do If They Miss The Rapture ?

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The rapture removes the church before the wrath of God:

For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thess 5:9)

The great tribulation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 is the wrath of God on the world, combined with tribulation designed to bring the nation of Israel to repentance. The believing church will not go through that. It cannot suffer the wrath of God, because our sins have been atoned for by Jesus, and believers have already repented and believed. There can be no purpose in sending the church into the great tribulation.

However, we need to keep ourselves ready:

But watch yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a trap. For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth. But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man. (Luke 21:34-36)
 

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The rapture removes the church before the wrath of God:

For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thess 5:9)

The great tribulation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 is the wrath of God on the world, combined with tribulation designed to bring the nation of Israel to repentance. The believing church will not go through that. It cannot suffer the wrath of God, because our sins have been atoned for by Jesus, and believers have already repented and believed. There can be no purpose in sending the church into the great tribulation.

However, we need to keep ourselves ready:

But watch yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a trap. For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth. But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man. (Luke 21:34-36)


That's yet another... mis-guided doctrine of the Pre-trib Rapture school, not understanding the time of the wrath Paul was talking about in 1 Thess.5 while also not understanding how God will be very accurate with His cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked on the last day of this present world, which is when Christ will return to gather His Church. That wrath will not touch His Church, simply because it will not be AIMED at His Church.

So who will God's wrath specifically be aimed at on that final day, some might ask?

The wicked in all nations, the haughty, and especially the army out of the northern quarters that will come upon the mountains of Israel to try and destroy per Ezekiel 38 & 39.

Those are "day of the Lord" timed events, the Armageddon event on the 7th Vial of Rev.16, the supper of the great God of Rev.19, the "last trump" of 1 Cor.15, the trump of 1 Thess.4:16, the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe of Rev.11, the brightness of Christ's coming to destroy the man of sin of 2 Thess.2, etc., etc.
 

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Oliver, the first half of Tribulation is not wrath, thusly no need for a rapture at that point. If you are a pre-wrather does not make you a pre-tribber. Contending this wrat as all of tribulation is an error. Sometimes I get the feeling that people use the term pre-wrath to mean for certain pre-trib, but when that does not happen they can then use pre-wrath as meaning mid-trib to keep themsleves justified... it does not. Express your self consicely and if you mean pre-trib say pre-trib... if you mean mid-trib say mid-trib, if you are un-ure...say you are un-sure...but tend to believe this or tend to believe that. These uses of injecting words not in scripture to define events so that if it happens either here or there, now or then... AND then claiming you knew it and therefore you was right, is not the act of rightly decerning the Word of God.

MID-Tribulation, PRE-Wrath Rapture... it actually...in my Belief takes place real soon after mid-point of Tribulation, after the Abomination of Desolation is committed, if not..... I am Wrong!

I am more concerned about me not trying than I am about me being wrong.
 

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The rapture removes the church before the wrath of God:

For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thess 5:9)

The great tribulation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 is the wrath of God on the world, combined with tribulation designed to bring the nation of Israel to repentance. The believing church will not go through that. It cannot suffer the wrath of God, because our sins have been atoned for by Jesus, and believers have already repented and believed. There can be no purpose in sending the church into the great tribulation.

However, we need to keep ourselves ready:

But watch yourselves lest your hearts be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and cares of this life, and that day come upon you suddenly like a trap. For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of the whole earth. But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man. (Luke 21:34-36)

Look at the context of the passage and notice. Not being appointed to wrath is attributed to salvation! NOT A RAPTURE!

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
 

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The rapture removes the church before the wrath of God:

For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thess 5:9)

While trying to follow the twist and turns could I ask for some clarity?
Am I correct that you liken the rapture, several pages back to the times of Noah and Lott as in Luke 17 and Matthew 24? Presurving the elect before the wrath of God?


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Yes, our gathering to him is the rapture.

I just noticed another parallel between the judgement of the flood and the rapture.

Noah went into the ark 7 days before the flood came and the Lord closed the door on him. That parallels the 7 years during which the church is removed into the bridal chamber before the flood of judgement on the world. In dealing with judgements, a day in the type stands for a year.
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Now If I follow your event sequence after the rapture those left behind will still be offered an opportunity to reject the MarkOTB and accept salvation threw Christ, not to mention the Jews that will be evangelizing the world after the new temple disappointment.

My point is the only thing that took place after Noah entered the ark and Lott left the city was judgement on everyone. No second chance no remnant of Israel, nothing left behind that wasn't destine for destruction. My question is, how can you compare the flood and S&G with your interpretation of the rapture event line?
 

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Hi Oliver, Your words: "The great tribulation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 is the wrath of God on the world."

The great trib (satan's wrath upon the church per Rev. 12:17) and the wrath of the Lamb (trumpets) and the wrath of God (vials) are separate events.

Your words: "There can be no purpose in sending the church into the great tribulation."

Yes, there is a purpose and I will post on it shortly.


Hi Rex, Your words: "not to mention the Jews that will be evangelizing the world after the new temple disappointment"

There is nothing in scripture that speaks of the 144,000 doing any witnessing or evangelizing whatsoever. They are most likely part of the righteous remnant that go into hiding for 42 months per Rev. 12:14.
 

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Hi Rex, Your words: "not to mention the Jews that will be evangelizing the world after the new temple disappointment"

There is nothing in scripture that speaks of the 144,000 doing any witnessing or evangelizing whatsoever. They are most likely part of the righteous remnant that go into hiding for 42 months per Rev. 12:14.

My mistake I've heard so many interpretations about the rapture i may have presumed Oliver believed the same.
But to the point, nether the flood or the sodom and gomorrah events match Olivers interpretation of the rapture event line?
In short the scripture Oliver used to support the rapture event, does not match Olivers post rapture events, simply because there were no post events except "destruction and or Judgement"
 

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Look at the context of the passage and notice. Not being appointed to wrath is attributed to salvation! NOT A RAPTURE!

1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

That is a fair interpretation but in the case of chapter 5 the topic is the day ..... (times and dates) (day of the Lord)

Furthermore is says people (not christians) will have destruction come on them suddenly (again - not christians because it says you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness)



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My mistake I've heard so many interpretations about the rapture i may have presumed Oliver believed the same.
But to the point, nether the flood or the sodom and gomorrah events match Olivers interpretation of the rapture event line?
In short the scripture Oliver used to support the rapture event, does not match Olivers post rapture events, simply because there were no post events except "destruction and or Judgement"

It's true the flood and Sodom and Gomorrah events do NOT match the events of a rapture. Christ clearly shows that too in the Luke 17 chapter. Those 'taken' in the flood were those outside... the ark. Likewise at the end of Luke 17 the first one 'taken' is not by Christ, for His disciples asked Him where those would go, and He showed among the eagles (vultures) that eat what's dead. God first gave the 'taken' and 'snared' idea back in Isaiah 28-29. It's about those who shun study of His Word the way He showed how to do it, line upon line, precept upon precept.

The flood that comes out of the mouth of the serpent per Rev.12 is part of that idea of the 'dead' who gather to those fake eagles. Even the symbol of an eagle being used about that deception fits the idea of those who seek to fly away to escape the tribulation.
 

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veteran said:
It's true the flood and Sodom and Gomorrah events do NOT match the events of a rapture. Christ clearly shows that too in the Luke 17 chapter. Those 'taken' in the flood were those outside... the ark. Likewise at the end of Luke 17 the first one 'taken' is not by Christ, for His disciples asked Him where those would go, and He showed among the eagles (vultures) that eat what's dead. God first gave the 'taken' and 'snared' idea back in Isaiah 28-29. It's about those who shun study of His Word the way He showed how to do it, line upon line, precept upon precept.

The flood that comes out of the mouth of the serpent per Rev.12 is part of that idea of the 'dead' who gather to those fake eagles. Even the symbol of an eagle being used about that deception fits the idea of those who seek to fly away to escape the tribulation.
Habakkuk 2:14 says,

14 "For the earth will be filled With the knowledge of the
glory of the LORD, As the waters cover the sea.

As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be. When the so called rapture comes we are told we
will leave this earth, but in Noah's day the righteous inherited the earth. Jesus said, as it was in
the days of Noah.

The sinners were taken away, and the sinners will be taken away @ Tabernacles (rapture as the
church says). As Overcomers, we will inherit the earth just as Noah did. Isn't that what Jesus said
in (Matthew 5:5)? The question is... do you believe Him, or do you believe you are going to fly
away?

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe
 

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What should they do if they miss the rapture? Not to worry, for it never existed to begin with. One way or another you will realize this:
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

No Fly-Away; No secret. No two-time return.

Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [SIZE=.75em] and THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:[/SIZE]

...and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and THEY SHALL SEE the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SIZE=.75em]31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and THEY SHALL GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.[/SIZE]

At this time you will realize that you did not miss the Rapture, & you will either be ELECTED & Gathered, or suffer His Wrath....either way...but you will know.

How long are you going to believe this baby pablum lie?!! There will not be a rapture before He comes AFTER the Tribulation of those days.

And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? [SIZE=.75em]14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. [/SIZE]

And he said to me, These are they which CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

[SIZE=.75em] Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.[/SIZE]

They went in; They came out....but they were not raptured before.
 

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logabe said:
YES...



Logabe
NO ------- A PERSON MIGHT ONLY HAVE ONE MORE HOUR of grace and their time of grace may end

2 Corinthians 6:2
For he says, “In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you.” I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation.
 

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Confusing....






ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
I have wondered if the vials are poured out sequentially, or all at once. This verse just spoke to me that the latter is the case. As I see it, the trumpet judgments occur over approximately 3.5 years; whereas the vials of wrath occur immediately after that time, over a period of 9 or 10 days that begins immediately after the resurrection.
That's what I was taught. Except for the 9 to 10 days part.
 

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HollyRock said:
Can they still receive Christ if they are left behind ?
Hi HollyRock,

We are the wheat,

Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Mat 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Mat 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

So consider yourself blessed if you have been left behind.
 

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HollyRock said:
Can they still receive Christ if they are left behind ?
2 Thessalonians 2:6-12
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (Holy Spirit in the Christians) who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way(At the rapture).
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

No second chance to be saved for those who heard and rejected the truth before the rapture. All others can get saved.
Arnie Manitoba said:
You have my condolences. You will be missed.
John S said:
Since there isn't going to be a Pre-Trib Rapture, no one will have to worry about missing it.
John S,

If you are going to go through the tribulation, have you prepared to try to survive.

The day of the Lord is going to start soon since Israel has been gathered Zephaniah 1:14-2:3.

I suggest becoming a prepper like they show on TV or on You Tube.

If you are wrong and you do go up in the rapture, your friends and family that think you are nuts for prepping will come and use you food to survive for a while. Leave some instructions for them on how to get saved.
 

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The Rapture will occur after the Tribulation upon the Return of the Lord Jesus , Gathering His Church.


The Coming of the Son of Man
“Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. THEN the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will SEE the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

He does not return twice, nor is it in the Secret Places....He returns once...& it is called the 2nd Coming...His first one was to be Crucified & to Redeem the World.

This Fly-Away before the Trouble is Biblical Fantasy.....& a flat out lie...& it will not happen. It boils down to Dogma..the root of all cultism....Belief that forms in your mind...not your heart, formed by the Indwelling Holy Spirit.

This heresy often follows the OSAS crowd,..[ Baptists/Pentecostal] that believe that the Tribulation is Wrath, not a Trial. The problem is that they will be totally unprepared with resolve & faith when the Tribulation does fall upon us, & they will not endure unto the end....IF they are even born again to begin with.
In answer to the question "What happens if somebody misses the Rapture? Well, Biblically, & Truthfully, they will be SOL...[ LOL ] shame on me....

Sorry...but grow up...& get off of this baby Pablum.
 

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Brothertom said:
The Rapture will occur after the Tribulation upon the Return of the Lord Jesus , Gathering His Church.I
I would not say THE rapture but I would say A rapture. the reason I say this is because I believe scripture tells us there is more then one rapture. next I would like to ask you all to please respect another's opinion because I have been reading this post and almost everyone who disagreed with someone else would knock that person down by telling themthat they are wrong or that they don't know what they are talking about. let
us please respect one another's opinions. thanks.

The Coming of the Son of Man
“Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. THEN the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will SEE the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
this is referring to the last rapture of the great trib and not about the rapture of the church.

And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

He does not return twice, nor is it in the Secret Places....He returns once...& it is called the 2nd Coming...His first one was to be Crucified & to Redeem the World.
what is Jesus' first coming? Jesus' resurrection was not his first coming. therefore before you can have a 2nd coming you need to have a first coming.

This Fly-Away before the Trouble is Biblical Fantasy.....& a flat out lie...& it will not happen. It boils down to Dogma..the root of all cultism....Belief that forms in your mind...not your heart, formed by the Indwelling Holy Spirit.
I disagree with your reasoning but even if we are wrong so what? it won't keep us from heaven. I have read your spiritual experiences you have written but that is logos to us until God confirms it to us and then it becomes rhema. it is the same for everything that is posted here on this forum. none of it is really enlightening until God reveals it to us. I just believe that God has confirmed to me that there will be a prewrath rapture.

This heresy often follows the OSAS crowd,..[ Baptists/Pentecostal] that believe that the Tribulation is Wrath, not a Trial. The problem is that they will be totally unprepared with resolve & faith when the Tribulation does fall upon us, & they will not endure unto the end....IF they are even born again to begin with.
if we are living a truly Godly life at all times as we are told in scripture then we would not have any problem with being unprepared whether for tribulation or trial or anything else.

In answer to the question "What happens if somebody misses the Rapture? Well, Biblically, & Truthfully, they will be SOL...[ LOL ] shame on me....
this is not 100% correct. those that die without hearing the Word will be judged differently then those that rejected the Word.

Sorry...but grow up...& get off of this baby Pablum.
as I said before please don't knock other people's belief because they are not in line with your own.

God bless
 

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Shalom, ladies and gentlemen.

IF there is going to be a pretribulational rapture, then ALL who are believers will be slated to be raptured, because it is not UP TO US when we will be raptured. Therefore, IF there is a pretribulational rapture, ALL believers will be raptured.

HOWEVER, if there is NOT going to be a pretribulational rapture, then NO ONE who are believers will be raptured then! It's that simple. Furthermore, the same can be said for a posttribulational rapture and a pre-Wrath rapture. When GOD decides that He's sending His Son and His messengers to earth to gather His people, all of His people will be gathered WHEN GOD SAYS! It's not UP TO US!

On the other hand, if the tribulation is, as I suspect, the timeframe for all the persecution of the Jews and the believers down through the last 2,000 years or so, then the "rapture" (the harpazo or the "snatching-away" of God's people following the resurrection, as described in 1 Thes. 4 and 1 Cor. 15) cannot possibly be "pretribulational!" The "tribulation period" has ALREADY STARTED!

There are some key passages of Scripture that one should harmonize before making any assumptions. Those passages form a triangle, as they merge with one another, providing stability to one's viewpoint of end-times events. These passages are...

Revelation 19:11-21:4;
1 Corinthians 15:20-28; and
2 Peter 3:3-13.

When one has harmonized these passages, one can begin to hang other passages onto this historical framework, namely Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43; Matthew 25:31-46; Luke 1:30-33; and Luke 19:11-28, for starters.

Also, key words need to be properly understood, particularly when it comes to understanding prophecy: "salvation," "church," "resurrection," "caught up," "tribulation," "name," and "heaven." Others can be added as they are encountered and deciphered in light of these words. One MUST understand that these words are not "holy words"; that is, that they are words whose definitions are already well-known, "written in stone," and cannot be touched as God's "anointed words!" Y'know... like "touch not the LORD'S anointed?" "Salvation," for instance, simply means "rescue" or "deliverance." There's nothing austere and holy in the word itself. It's OKAY TO QUESTION how it should be used, indeed, how it WAS used in the Scriptures. It was not intended to be used as an "individual salvation," which is technically called the "justification" of an individual by God. It was used as a "national salvation" - the "rescue" or "deliverance" of the nation Isra'el in the end times! As I've said before, a good case in point is Romans 10:13, quoted from Joel 2:32. All one has to do is look up Joel 2:32 and look at the surrounding context to prove this to himself.


Romans 10:13
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Joel 2:28-3:2
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
KJV

Paul was NOT in the habit of taking verses in the Tanakh (the OT) out of their contexts and using them in a manner inconsistent with that of the original location! He used these verses to SUPPORT his statements and arguments! Therefore, IF the destination context containing the quotation SEEMS to differ from the source context containing the statement quoted, then it is most likely because WE are not using the word correctly and have a definition for the word that is inconsistent with its meaning in the source context.

What such a quotation-linked, passage pair DOES do for us is to show that the particular Greek word in the NT is the word used for translating the particular Hebrew word in that OT passage.

PLEASE be careful not to make bold, authoritative statements that cannot be supported by Scripture.