Was Jesus Eternally Tormented?
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I think what should be obvious to all is that death is exactly what it means: a cessation of life, not a continuation thereof. It's a shame I have to climb on here and tell you that death is the opposite of life - where there is death there is no life, and where there is eternal life there is no death.
"Death" NEVER means "cease to exist" in the Bible. Hell will be filled with people who wished they "ceased to exist"!
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>>>Does "eternal redemption" mean Jesus will redeem us by shedding His blood over and over for all eternity? Its eternal in its result, not its process.
>>>Does "eternal judgment" mean God will slam His gavel and demand "Order in the court! Order in the court!" for all eternity? It's eternal in its result, not its process.
>>>Does "suffering the vengeance of eternal fire" mean the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are still burning? It's "eternal" in its result, not it's process.
LIKEWISE, "EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION" OF SINNERS IS EVERLASTING IN ITS RESULT, NOT ITS PROCESS.
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So far, you've said nothing in response to the OP, Jack. What's that matter, Cognitive Dissonance kicking in? Don't take the easy way out - we're talking about Jesus and eternal flames of torment, and the question is still on the table:
If "death" = "eternal torment in the flames of hellfire" and nothing less than an eternity of torment in the flames of hellfire will suffice to pay the penalty of sin, then why isn't Jesus suffering eternal torment in the flames of hellfire for us at this very moment?
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There is now TWO judgments made by God.
Through Adam, the judgment is eternal death, of which we all have inherited.
Through Jesus, the judgment is eternal life, of which we all may now inherit through faith.
KJV John 3:18, 1 John 5:12-13
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Thank you.
I now see what you are saying.
Scripture states that every man is appointed once to die then the judgment. Hebrews tells us this and in ch. 9 : 24-28 tells us why Christ rent the veil in the holy place but did not enter it but into heaven itself in the presence of God for us or else he would have had to suffer often for us. Ch 2 also tell us why he was formed a little lower than the angels that he could suffer for us.
The wages of sin is death meaning bc of sin we cannot have immortality on this life or form. When Jesus died a mortal death of the flesh he went into the lower parts of the earth to preach to those who were in captivity of the wages of sin ,which is death. These he resurrected when he himself was resurrected.
Every man must die for flesh cannot enter into heaven. He took upon himself the wrath of God which we deserved and broke down the separation between us and God.
Once death has been accomplished of the flesh in mortal man then the judgment.
All will stand before God for judgment. The difference is the redeemed will have one in their
stead who granted them ETERNAL LIFE ( immortality) and demolished the debt against them.
The AC, beast,all wicked rebellious unbelievers will be cast into the LOF forever captured in punishment of eternal torment.
The one you named is in darkness and blindly stabs at the buttons of the Word of God to get an adverse reaction. An antagonist!
Yet this seems acceptable by this site!
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Maybe I need to just keep repeating the same thing to the Eternal Torment crowd so that maybe then it'll sink in:
If the punishment for our sin is eternal torment, then either we must suffer that punishment or someone else must suffer that punishment in our place in order for us to escape it...
...so, is Jesus suffering eternal torment at this moment? If not, then the penalty for sin cannot be eternal torment...
...now, if Jesus is indeed now suffering in eternal torment, then that means the penalty for sin is indeed eternal torment, and Jesus is now paying that penalty for us in full by suffering eternal torment, paying the debt of eternal torment that we owe in full. He's screaming in agony at this very moment burning in flames that somehow will never consume Him or the wicked - blackened, crispy, shrieking Jesus that keeps on burning and burning and shrieking and burning yet somehow never gets completely burned...thank you, Jesus...
...because, if the penalty for sin is indeed eternal torment" then the only way Jesus could pay our penalty for us so that we can escape the penalty of eternal torment is that He be eternally tormented. Not one moment less than eternity in torment, or else the penalty would not be paid...so, thank you, blackened, crispy Jesus, for paying the penalty of our sin which is eternal torment...
...however, if the penalty for our sin is eternal torment but Jesus is not at the moment suffering eternal torment, then our penalty for sin is not being paid and we are still under the penalty of sin...and now we Christians have to become blackened, crispy, shrieking Christians because Jesus is not blackened and crispy and shrieking at the moment because He is not suffering an eternity of eternal torment...
...now, if the penalty for sin is eternal torment and Jesus is not at the moment suffering eternal torment, the eternal torment crowd needs to explain how it is that the penalty for sin is eternal torment but Jesus is not paying that penalty by suffering eternity in eternal torment which is not a moment less than eternity.
If you've come this far, it's time to abandon the asinine stupidity
that the penalty for sin is eternal torment
and embrace the glorious light of truth:
that the penalty for sin is eternal torment
and embrace the glorious light of truth:
THE PENALTY FOR SIN IS NOT ETERNAL TORMENT...IT IS DEATH. JESUS SUFFERED DEATH - NOT ETERNAL TORMENT - AND BY THAT DEATH OUR PENALTY FOR SIN IS PAID.
Praise God for truth, in all its simplicity and to hell with asinine pagan doctrines that require everyone to check their brains at the door as they walk into church.
Sorry whoever believe this garbage cannot understand God nor his word and needs to seek God in an altar of repentance!
The truth is simple enough for a child to understand so tell me what's wrong with the adults on here?
Amen the penalty for sin is death, then the judgment and all will be revealed and the WHY a person deserves eternal torment!
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Yes, Jesus is burning away in eternal torment, paying our sin debt of eternal torment for us so that we can escape the penalty of our sin which is our having to burn away eternally in eternal torment.
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Owlch that's gotta hurt receiving such common sense questions. We keep banging our heads against the trinity - play havoc with the Scriptures along with immortal soulism.
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Holy smoke! The penalty for sin is death - not eternal torment, folks. Jesus suffered the death we deserve so that we could have the life He deserves. If the penalty for sin is eternal torment, the only way Jesus could pay that penalty for us is that HE BE ETERNALLY TORMENTED.
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Interesting so you don't believe he was numbered with the transgressors?
Wow you continue to surprise me a different Jesus.
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Are you really implying that Jesus was a sinner? Nothing from Kingdom Hall would surprise me!
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