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i believe the next prophesy is different depending upon where we are in our walk with God. we have had a prophesy at our church on march 10th of 2012, that says this year will be a year of learning to receive. there is so much God wants for us that we cannot even comprehend it and learning to offer the deepest part of ourselves to God without abandonment with no holding back, no restraint, and no fear. we need to let God take us beyond the confines that we have set for our lives. God is not limited by anything or anyone and we are called to be imitators of God as dear children. i hope to hear what God has in store for you all.
 

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Veteran wrote:
Such comparisons to Pascal's writings have no place in this matter, for there is ample warning from Christ Jesus and His Apostles about a false one coming to exalt himself above all that is called God, and above all that is worshipped (2 Thess.2). If someone can't figure that out using basic common sense, then comparison to philosopher's writings sure isn't going to help them.
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I added this because of the references to Darwin. If the secular elite cannot rise above Darwin, then Darwin must be their god. When they could not understand beyond Pascal they find their ability of comprehension lacking. Pasca's wager is no reason TO believe, but it certainly can be reason enough to encourage research, extensively. However, I agree with you Veteran, as it is written... let those who wish not to believe remain in disbelief.
It is just so strange so discover how many scholars cannot elevate their comprehension beyond Darwin. And it is sad.
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I remain strong that God's Word has been taught to all nations..not necessarily to all tribes...
I disagree... a little... that God's Word has not been taught throughout the world. However. I do consider that the 144,000 may be the ones to complete that prophecy if it is not fulfilled.
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The last prophecy I know of... the 2nd witnesses informed.
The next prophecy I expect to see.... The re-start of the Daily Sacrifice... just a guess.
 

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Veteran wrote:
Such comparisons to Pascal's writings have no place in this matter, for there is ample warning from Christ Jesus and His Apostles about a false one coming to exalt himself above all that is called God, and above all that is worshipped (2 Thess.2). If someone can't figure that out using basic common sense, then comparison to philosopher's writings sure isn't going to help them.
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I added this because of the references to Darwin. If the secular elite cannot rise above Darwin, then Darwin must be their god. When they could not understand beyond Pascal they find their ability of comprehension lacking. Pasca's wager is no reason TO believe, but it certainly can be reason enough to encourage research, extensively. However, I agree with you Veteran, as it is written... let those who wish not to believe remain in disbelief.
It is just so strange so discover how many scholars cannot elevate their comprehension beyond Darwin. And it is sad.
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I remain strong that God's Word has been taught to all nations..not necessarily to all tribes...
I disagree... a little... that God's Word has not been taught throughout the world. However. I do consider that the 144,000 may be the ones to complete that prophecy if it is not fulfilled.
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The last prophecy I know of... the 2nd witnesses informed.
The next prophecy I expect to see.... The re-start of the Daily Sacrifice... just a guess.

I'm still looking at today's "one world government" system forming up, the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1-2. I think we are fast approaching the 6th trumpet - 2nd Woe period.
 

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Veteran wrote:
" I'm still looking at today's "one world government" system forming up, the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1-2. I think we are fast approaching the 6th trumpet - 2nd Woe period. "

I have no problem with this understanding as correct also.
 

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Shalom, veteran.

I believe you're right, but you may not yet understand just how that might happen, of The Gospel going forth at the end of this world...

Mark 13:9-11
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
(KJV)

Notice how that Mark 13:10 verse about The Gospel being published among all nations is given 'within' that future prophecy of some of Christ's elect being delivered up at the end, to give a Testimony. It's tied to the tribulation timing per the events of the 5th Seal of Rev.6.

The Greek word for "published" can also mean 'to herald', like a town crier who would get upon a wooden box in the town square to make a proclamation. Peter linked this event with the prophecy from Joel 2 and the cloven tongue spoken on the day of Pentecost.

Acts 2:16-21
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(KJV)

Notice those last verses in bold. They are linked with endtime events to occur immediately prior to the "day of the Lord". Those events did not occur on the day of Pentecost when an 'example' of the cloven tongue was given. Those wonders and signs are for the tribulation time. That "day of the Lord" is the time of Christ's second coming along with the pouring out of His wrath upon the nations (Isaiah 13; Amos 8; Matt.24:29; Mark 13:24; Luke 21:25; 2 Pet.3:10; Rev.6:12, etc.).

To 'prophesy' means to teach with understanding according to Apostle Paul (1 Cor.14).

Christ's elect that are delivered up to councils and synagogues for the tribulation time are going to manifest that 'cloven' tongue of Pentecost again, and it's going to go out to all nations. God is going to speak directly... to the whole world through them, just prior to the day of destruction that ends this present world. Many will turn to Christ Jesus and believe because of it.

It is important that all believers understand that Yeshua` was NOT talking about OUR understanding of "gospel" in the Olivet Discourse. Many feel that the "gospel" is defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
KJV


One should not just look at Mark 13:9-11 but also at Matthew 24:9-14:

Matthew 24:9-14
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
KJV


However, from Mark's Gospel, we also need to consider just what this "gospel of (good news about) the Kingdom" is! Consider Mark 1:14-15:

Mark 1:14-15
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
KJV

Look at how early this was in Yeshua`s ministry! Who back then even knew and believed that Yeshua` was the Messiah let alone that He would have to die and rise again?!

Furthermore, Yeshua` did not explain what the "gospel" was! He ASSUMED that the ones to whom He was speaking ALREADY KNEW what the "gospel" was! They were simply told to repent (turn 180 degrees around) and BELIEVE the "gospel!" So, what WAS this "gospel" that the Jews to whom Yeshua` was speaking should have already known?

Look at Romans 10:15:

Romans 10:15
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
KJV


This verse contains a quotation from the Tanakh (the OT):

Isaiah 52:7
7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
KJV


And, THAT is the "gospel of the Kingdom!" When those who herald that good news - those good tidings - about peace and deliverance ("salvation") UNTO TSIOWN (ZION), saying, "YOUR GOD REIGNS!!"

The gospel of the Kingdom was a message of good news to be heralded when God, through His Messiah, was reigning in Tsiown once again! THAT is the "gospel" that Yeshua` told them to believe! THAT is the "gospel" that must be "published among all nations" and "preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations!" It is THAT "good news" which will be heralded before the end!

Now, one question: IS that message being heralded, yet?
 

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Shalom, veteran.

It is important that all believers understand that Yeshua` was NOT talking about OUR understanding of "gospel" in the Olivet Discourse. Many feel that the "gospel" is defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
KJV


One should not just look at Mark 13:9-11 but also at Matthew 24:9-14:

Matthew 24:9-14
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
KJV


However, from Mark's Gospel, we also need to consider just what this "gospel of (good news about) the Kingdom" is! Consider Mark 1:14-15:

Mark 1:14-15
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
KJV

Look at how early this was in Yeshua`s ministry! Who back then even knew and believed that Yeshua` was the Messiah let alone that He would have to die and rise again?!

Furthermore, Yeshua` did not explain what the "gospel" was! He ASSUMED that the ones to whom He was speaking ALREADY KNEW what the "gospel" was! They were simply told to repent (turn 180 degrees around) and BELIEVE the "gospel!" So, what WAS this "gospel" that the Jews to whom Yeshua` was speaking should have already known?

Look at Romans 10:15:

Romans 10:15
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
KJV


This verse contains a quotation from the Tanakh (the OT):

Isaiah 52:7
7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
KJV


And, THAT is the "gospel of the Kingdom!" When those who herald that good news - those good tidings - about peace and deliverance ("salvation") UNTO TSIOWN (ZION), saying, "YOUR GOD REIGNS!!"

The gospel of the Kingdom was a message of good news to be heralded when God, through His Messiah, was reigning in Tsiown once again! THAT is the "gospel" that Yeshua` told them to believe! THAT is the "gospel" that must be "published among all nations" and "preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations!" It is THAT "good news" which will be heralded before the end!

Now, one question: IS that message being heralded, yet?


Your idea is terrible error away from The Scriptures concerning The Gospel of Jesus Christ. The preaching (heralding) of The Gospel is not dependent upon God's Kingdom having come first in order for it to be preached.

The Scriptures declare just the opposite of what you say. The Gospel of the Kingdom must be preached FIRST... BEFORE God's Kingdom will come with His de facto reign on earth.

Mark 1:14-15
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."
(KJV)

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is about His first coming to die on the cross to defeat death and the devil for us, to bring in God's promised New Covenant through His Blood, and do away with the old, and thus offer His Salvation to all.

In the above verses Jesus did not say the Kingdom of God had literally come then, but that it was "at hand", which is Greek 'eggizo' meaning 'to make near, or approach' (Strong's no. 1448).

That was His first declarations of The Gospel before He was crucified, and before Jerusalem had opportunity to reject that Gospel.
 

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Veteran wrote:


I'm still looking at today's "one world government" system forming up, the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1-2. I think we are fast approaching the 6th trumpet - 2nd Woe period.
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I believe it is already complete.... just waiting for a reason to be initiated to its full potential. Then the governments of the world will be "states." Probably one world money will be the key.
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I don't think it's wise for me, at this point when my heart isn't convinced either way, to choose whether I believe in the rapture or not. It doesn't matter to me. I need Christ's protection every day, and He will be with me until the end regardless. What I am interested in knowing is "what is the next prophesy to be fullfilled?" I really get confused reading Daniel and Revelations and Ezekiel. Just if someone can tell me what we're looking for next? Maybe it's Christ's return, maybe something else. What do you think?

A great deal of the confusion regarding predictions of future events began to be published around the middle of the nineteenth century. That's about the same time as Darwin's tome on survival of the fittest. Like Darwinism, these ideas are based on the writings of a single man, John Nelson Darby. Pre-millenialist tribulation and rapture ideology grew out of the theme of dispensationalism that Darby proposed. It sounded good at the time for several reasons and it is pretty much accepted as gospel today even though it isn't. Those that hold it to be truth don't usually know where the ideas came from; Darby, not God. Nevertheless they will defend the concept to the death even though it has nothing whatsoever to do with salvation, the work of grace in the life of the believer or the unfolding of the events of history.

Do your homework. Look it up.

The ideology is now approximately one hundred fifty years old. Its predictions have been greatly compromised by the flow of history, especially the massive changes in global politics which occurred during the wars of the nineteenth and twentieth century. Consider that when it was first published the Austria-Hungarian Empire was still a major influence in European politics. The Ottoman Empire was in the last few decades of its history. Russia hadn't even heard of Communism yet. America was suffering from massive internal division. There was no such thing as the nation of Israel(*), nor even the rumor of it among gentiles. In fact, the entire geo-political map of the planet has been redrawn several times since pre-millenialism and dispensationalism first saw the light of a publishing house.

There are a number of gross logical errors in the futuristic projections of dispensationalism/tribulationism/rapturism, but like all fantasy and science fiction it doesn't seem to bother those that love the story. Two of the major factors that affect a clear interpretation of the Bible are religious bias/prejudice and Anglo-American jingoism.

The bias is hatred of the Roman Catholic church and racial or anti-semitic attitudes about the Jew.
Nationalism in the western forms of religion and politics have deceived believers into thinking they alone can usher in the political Kingdom of God.

It should be noted that outside the United States the whole rap/trib ideology is being rapidly discarded. The concept is childishly embarrassing to those of other countries and they are abandoning the story for something better; the gospel of salvation.

Dispensationalism has experienced a metamorphosis of late. Presently its been revived as Christian Dominionism or just Dominionism. Same leopard. Different spots. Add a bushel and a peck of historical illiteracy, political myopia and a general willingness to suspend disbelief (the same sort of mental exercise you experience in a movie theater) and you've got the whole gamut of Christian futurism from Christ to anti-Christ.

I've said all that so I can say something quite clearly. The church needs to lose its one hundred fifty year old fantasy about the future and take an eyes-open hard look at what the Bible really says, not what we want it to say. Scripture speaks straight and we ought to treat it that way instead of twisting it around to suit our story-line. We need to formulate our expectations of the future based upon real current political trends, the real people it will affect and a real honest study of God's Word. Ultimately, the conclusions we arrive at will determine how well our faith survives the tumult and challenges of life in the TWENTY-FIRST century. We need to stand on a rock, not a fairy tale. When we do that, there will be no confusion.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

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(*) Purveyors of the modern forms of Dispensationalism still deny the fact that Israel actually exists in real time. Their ideology has a LOT of problems with the artificial tension between Israel as a real political entity and what Darby called 'spiritual Israel'. This tension exists because when Dispensationalism was formulated there wasn't any Israel. Zionism was in its infancy. Now, of course, there is. As a result there's a lot of confusion because of the dialectical tension between the fantasy/spiritual Israel and the real deal.
 

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A great deal of the confusion regarding predictions of future events began to be published around the middle of the nineteenth century. That's about the same time as Darwin's tome on survival of the fittest. Like Darwinism, these ideas are based on the writings of a single man, John Nelson Darby. Pre-millenialist tribulation and rapture ideology grew out of the theme of dispensationalism that Darby proposed. It sounded good at the time for several reasons and it is pretty much accepted as gospel today even though it isn't. Those that hold it to be truth don't usually know where the ideas came from; Darby, not God. Nevertheless they will defend the concept to the death even though it has nothing whatsoever to do with salvation, the work of grace in the life of the believer or the unfolding of the events of history.

Do your homework. Look it up.

The ideology is now approximately one hundred fifty years old. Its predictions have been greatly compromised by the flow of history, especially the massive changes in global politics which occurred during the wars of the nineteenth and twentieth century. Consider that when it was first published the Austria-Hungarian Empire was still a major influence in European politics. The Ottoman Empire was in the last few decades of its history. Russia hadn't even heard of Communism yet. America was suffering from massive internal division. There was no such thing as the nation of Israel(*), nor even the rumor of it among gentiles. In fact, the entire geo-political map of the planet has been redrawn several times since pre-millenialism and dispensationalism first saw the light of a publishing house.

There are a number of gross logical errors in the futuristic projections of dispensationalism/tribulationism/rapturism, but like all fantasy and science fiction it doesn't seem to bother those that love the story. Two of the major factors that affect a clear interpretation of the Bible are religious bias/prejudice and Anglo-American jingoism.

The bias is hatred of the Roman Catholic church and racial or anti-semitic attitudes about the Jew.
Nationalism in the western forms of religion and politics have deceived believers into thinking they alone can usher in the political Kingdom of God.

It should be noted that outside the United States the whole rap/trib ideology is being rapidly discarded. The concept is childishly embarrassing to those of other countries and they are abandoning the story for something better; the gospel of salvation.

Dispensationalism has experienced a metamorphosis of late. Presently its been revived as Christian Dominionism or just Dominionism. Same leopard. Different spots. Add a bushel and a peck of historical illiteracy, political myopia and a general willingness to suspend disbelief (the same sort of mental exercise you experience in a movie theater) and you've got the whole gamut of Christian futurism from Christ to anti-Christ.

I've said all that so I can say something quite clearly. The church needs to lose its one hundred fifty year old fantasy about the future and take an eyes-open hard look at what the Bible really says, not what we want it to say. Scripture speaks straight and we ought to treat it that way instead of twisting it around to suit our story-line. We need to formulate our expectations of the future based upon real current political trends, the real people it will affect and a real honest study of God's Word. Ultimately, the conclusions we arrive at will determine how well our faith survives the tumult and challenges of life in the TWENTY-FIRST century. We need to stand on a rock, not a fairy tale. When we do that, there will be no confusion.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

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(*) Purveyors of the modern forms of Dispensationalism still deny the fact that Israel actually exists in real time. Their ideology has a LOT of problems with the artificial tension between Israel as a real political entity and what is referred to as 'spiritual Israel'. This tension exists because when Dispensationalism was formulated there wasn't any Israel and Zionism was in its infancy. Now, of course, there is. As a result there's a lot of confusion of terms, otherwise called 'smoke and mirrors'.


What a total bunch of pure rubbish!


Rev 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
(KJV)

All Bible prophecy for the end of this world culminates in the Testimony of Jesus Christ. And that Testimony BEGINS in the Book of Genesis and flows all the way to the end of the Book of Revelation.

Those who mock that Testimony and Prophecy, of which MUCH of it is STILL YET to come to pass, don't really care what God said in His Word that's to occur in the future. Instead, those mockers think to be gods unto themselves, thinking they need no understanding of God's prophecies!
 

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Veteran, you discussed the dimensions of the promised land as being much greater than they possess today. This was also a concer of mine nearly 2 decades ago in my studies. For this reason I tend to believe that Israel's borders will either be entended by the anti-christ's peace plan or... one of the wars in scripture, or perhaps not written in scripture (yet) will transpire and extend Israel's boundaries. These "extended" boundaries coud be a method Israel utilizes to enhance their feelings of security but, however it unfolds will be very interesting. Theoligians that wrote books about endtimes seem to have skipped the importance of this in ther writtings probably due to the time constraints in which they perceived tribulations to commense. The 7 year peace plan could allow Israel to maintain those boundaries but, I have trouble considering that any peace plan could extend Israel's boundaries without Israel already inhabiting that land.

The only problem with this theory is that, Isreal are the Christians who follow Christ their King. The nation of antichrists over in the middle east have nothing in God unless they repent and believe the gospel of Christ. Which they will never do as a nation. The Isreal of Christ will not move into that region until the end of the great tribulation. The antichrist Jews will have all been slaughtered by then.
 

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Shabbat shalom, veteran.

Your idea is terrible error away from The Scriptures concerning The Gospel of Jesus Christ. The preaching (heralding) of The Gospel is not dependent upon God's Kingdom having come first in order for it to be preached.

The Scriptures declare just the opposite of what you say. The Gospel of the Kingdom must be preached FIRST... BEFORE God's Kingdom will come with His de facto reign on earth.

Mark 1:14-15
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel."
(KJV)

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is about His first coming to die on the cross to defeat death and the devil for us, to bring in God's promised New Covenant through His Blood, and do away with the old, and thus offer His Salvation to all.

In the above verses Jesus did not say the Kingdom of God had literally come then, but that it was "at hand", which is Greek 'eggizo' meaning 'to make near, or approach' (Strong's no. 1448).

That was His first declarations of The Gospel before He was crucified, and before Jerusalem had opportunity to reject that Gospel.

I'm sorry; somehow, I've managed to make you misunderstand me. The gospel of the Kingdom comes BEFORE the arrival of the King and His Kingdom. It's the good news ABOUT the arrival of the Kingdom! Yes, I agree with your understanding of Mark 1:15's "at hand." It means "within your grasp" but the ones to whom He was talking rejected the Messiah during His First Advent, thereby rejecting the King and consequently the Kingdom.

What I WAS saying was that the "gospel of the Kingdom" is the "good news about the coming Kingdom," and that it is CONSIDERABLY different than the "gospel" that most define by 1 Corinthians 15:1-4! I was also saying that it is this "gospel of the Kingdom" to which Yeshua` was alluding in Matthew 24:14. It is THIS "gospel" that has not been adequately heralded, yet! Thus, Matthew 24:14 has yet to be fulfilled!

Shabbat shalom, veteran.



I'm sorry; somehow, I've managed to make you misunderstand me. The gospel of the Kingdom comes BEFORE the arrival of the King and His Kingdom. It's the good news ABOUT the arrival of the Kingdom yet to come! Yes, I agree with your understanding of Mark 1:15's "at hand." It means "within your grasp" but the ones to whom He was talking rejected the Messiah during His First Advent, thereby rejecting the King and consequently the Kingdom.

What I WAS saying was that the "gospel of the Kingdom" is the "good news about the coming Kingdom," and that it is CONSIDERABLY different than the "gospel" that most define by 1 Corinthians 15:1-4! I was also saying that it is this "gospel of the Kingdom" to which Yeshua` was alluding in Matthew 24:14. It is THIS "gospel" that has not been adequately heralded, yet! Thus, Matthew 24:14 has yet to be fulfilled!
 

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Shabbat shalom, veteran.

I'm sorry; somehow, I've managed to make you misunderstand me. The gospel of the Kingdom comes BEFORE the arrival of the King and His Kingdom. It's the good news ABOUT the arrival of the Kingdom! Yes, I agree with your understanding of Mark 1:15's "at hand." It means "within your grasp" but the ones to whom He was talking rejected the Messiah during His First Advent, thereby rejecting the King and consequently the Kingdom.

What I WAS saying was that the "gospel of the Kingdom" is the "good news about the coming Kingdom," and that it is CONSIDERABLY different than the "gospel" that most define by 1 Corinthians 15:1-4! I was also saying that it is this "gospel of the Kingdom" to which Yeshua` was alluding in Matthew 24:14. It is THIS "gospel" that has not been adequately heralded, yet! Thus, Matthew 24:14 has yet to be fulfilled!

I only believe in one Gospel. Some on this forum believe The Gospel which Christ Jesus preached is a different Gospel than what Paul preached. I don't believe that. Paul included the idea of the Kingdom when he preached The Gospel to Gentiles. I count something like 17 times that Paul mentioned that coming 'Kingdom' from Acts 14 and throughout his Epistles. Moreover, the calling Jesus gave Paul per Acts 9:15 was to preach The Gospel to 3 groups, to the Gentiles, to kings, and to the children of Israel, which further confirms only one Gospel for all.


Jesus mentioned the requirement of The Gospel going to all nations in Mark 13 in between... a specific event that's to occur in the end, so those verses are linked to it...

Mark 13:9-11
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
(KJV)

The Greek word for "published" there is 'kerusso' which is about preaching or proclaiming The Gospel as used throughout the NT. So how does that relate to the Scripture event given surrounding it?

Not many truly understand Peter quoting from Joel 2 on Pentecost concerning the cloven tongue manifesting. They think by his quote that the Joel 2 Scripture was fulfilled right then on Pentecost. It wasn't, because the Joel 2 Scripture he quoted is for the very end of this world, for the tribulation time when some of Christ's elect will be delivered up to give a Testimony against Satan and his hosts, in front of the whole world. That is the specific event of the 5th Seal of Revelation 6, of those whom God told the souls under the altar to rest for a "little season" (mikron chronos) until their brethren are delivered up to give a testimony and were killed as they were.
 

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Shalom, veteran.

I only believe in one Gospel. Some on this forum believe The Gospel which Christ Jesus preached is a different Gospel than what Paul preached. I don't believe that. Paul included the idea of the Kingdom when he preached The Gospel to Gentiles. I count something like 17 times that Paul mentioned that coming 'Kingdom' from Acts 14 and throughout his Epistles. Moreover, the calling Jesus gave Paul per Acts 9:15 was to preach The Gospel to 3 groups, to the Gentiles, to kings, and to the children of Israel, which further confirms only one Gospel for all.

I, too, believe in one Gospel; however, what is "preached" today is NOT the Gospel that the Messiah Yeshua` or the Apostle Paul "heralded!" It is a mere portion of all of the good news that is recorded in Isaiah and in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (as well as other places in Scripture)!

Jesus mentioned the requirement of The Gospel going to all nations in Mark 13 in between... a specific event that's to occur in the end, so those verses are linked to it...

Mark 13:9-11
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
(KJV)

The Greek word for "published" there is 'kerusso' which is about preaching or proclaiming The Gospel as used throughout the NT. So how does that relate to the Scripture event given surrounding it?

First, the Greek word "kerusso" is about HERALDING the message, as a town cryer would HERALD the arrival of a king or other dignitary! It's not about "preaching or proclaiming" as it is done today! Furthermore, it is not just a single event; it is about an activity that would be done by many and over a lengthy period of time! However, it hasn't started, yet, for who is truly heralding the return of the King and His Kingdom in their messages? Messages today are all about worshipping God and current events and how one may be a good influence in the world, among people! Prosperity, missions, the purpose-driven church, and all the other drivvel coming out of the pulpits, THESE are the messages in today's churches!

In all truthfulness, this is probably a broad generalization and there may be a few people heralding the return of the King and His Kingdom, but I keep coming back to Yeshua`s words in Luke 18:8:

Luke 18:6-8
6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
KJV

And, those last words ring out hauntingly in the Greek, which expects a negative response! They imply "I doubt it!"

Not many truly understand Peter quoting from Joel 2 on Pentecost concerning the cloven tongue manifesting. They think by his quote that the Joel 2 Scripture was fulfilled right then on Pentecost. It wasn't, because the Joel 2 Scripture he quoted is for the very end of this world, for the tribulation time when some of Christ's elect will be delivered up to give a Testimony against Satan and his hosts, in front of the whole world. That is the specific event of the 5th Seal of Revelation 6, of those whom God told the souls under the altar to rest for a "little season" (mikron chronos) until their brethren are delivered up to give a testimony and were killed as they were.

I really don't have any problem with your understanding of Joel 2. You're right on this passage. However, be sure you understand that Romans 10, in which Paul quotes from Joel 2, must reflect Joel's message, not the other way around! Instead of reading Romans 10:13 as "For whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved," read it as Joel reads: "For whoever shall cry out on the authority of the LORD shall be delivered or rescued!" And, then interpret the rest of Romans 9-11 in that light!
 

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Shalom, veteran.

I, too, believe in one Gospel; however, what is "preached" today is NOT the Gospel that the Messiah Yeshua` or the Apostle Paul "heralded!" It is a mere portion of all of the good news that is recorded in Isaiah and in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (as well as other places in Scripture)!

Yes, I'm aware of that. That was prophecy for the end too.


First, the Greek word "kerusso" is about HERALDING the message, as a town cryer would HERALD the arrival of a king or other dignitary! It's not about "preaching or proclaiming" as it is done today! Furthermore, it is not just a single event; it is about an activity that would be done by many and over a lengthy period of time! However, it hasn't started, yet, for who is truly heralding the return of the King and His Kingdom in their messages? Messages today are all about worshipping God and current events and how one may be a good influence in the world, among people! Prosperity, missions, the purpose-driven church, and all the other drivvel coming out of the pulpits, THESE are the messages in today's churches!

I'm aware Greek 'kerusso' also applies to the town crier herald idea, and that's how I see that passage actually involving those who are delivered up at the end to speak by The Holy Spirit. It is the idea of preaching, but I agree, not just a simple preaching, but of the type that the Apostles did on Pentecost when the 'cloven' tongue manifested to all present in their own dialect of their birth languages. That's the real connection to Joel 2 for the tribulation time, which is linked to the 5th Seal description. First and foremost, Jesus was giving the 7 signs of the very end of this world to occur just prior to His return; and the Rev.6 Seals are a direct parallel to those 7 signs He gave in Matt.24 and Mark 13. Saints martyred in past history are linked by the 5th Seal description, but the tribulation saint link for this event is in that Seal also.



In all truthfulness, this is probably a broad generalization and there may be a few people heralding the return of the King and His Kingdom, but I keep coming back to Yeshua`s words in Luke 18:8:

Luke 18:6-8
6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
KJV

And, those last words ring out hauntingly in the Greek, which expects a negative response! They imply "I doubt it!"

There will be more heralds that we might expect. I mean, God's "two witnesses" will be here during the coming trib to lead in that heralding. If you study that event more closely, you'll discover a link to this event in connection to them with the 'candlesticks' symbol. Remember what Jesus said the seven candlesticks represent in Rev.1:20. Remember the Gen.3 prophecy that the serpent's head is to be bruised, then discover just who those bruisers are. It will be this final Testimony on earth for Christ during the false messiah's reign that will cause Satan and his host army to determine to destroy God's people off the earth once and for all. That's when The LORD is going to step in.

This is why 'some' of us should not be busy worrying about how we're going to escape the coming tribulation, because some of us have a duty to perform by The Holy Spirit in that time, as God's Weapon of Truth is going to be used through us in speaking to the whole world. Even the gainsayer will not be able to resist what is said in that "hour". And everyone hearing it, just like on Pentecost, will understand in their own dialects of their language of birth.


I really don't have any problem with your understanding of Joel 2. You're right on this passage. However, be sure you understand that Romans 10, in which Paul quotes from Joel 2, must reflect Joel's message, not the other way around! Instead of reading Romans 10:13 as "For whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved," read it as Joel reads: "For whoever shall cry out on the authority of the LORD shall be delivered or rescued!" And, then interpret the rest of Romans 9-11 in that light!

That calling out to The LORD may be the exact effect produced upon many in the world at that last moment during the trib, when God's witnesses make a stand in that time and speak by The Holy Spirit. You never know, you might be one of those delivered up to do that heralding for Christ at the end.
 

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shilohsfoal stated he can answer the topic's question.... has he???

I refraign from claiming word of prophecy as of yet, so I will call it possible word of knowledge, What I receeived was kind of strange... I was considering the things to come and received and answer... not necessiarly the "next" thing, but here goes...
What I saw was very norrmal dirving and coming across blocked highway access, blocked by police and or sheriff cars. They gave instruction by saying... Report Home.

They did not allow a worker on his way to work to continue toward work, amazing enough, however even more amazing was the direction to "report" home... not go home.... but "report home." Considering this I concluded that once home ther would be a governmental official waiting to give further instruction.

I do not expect this anytime real soon... but...

I was considering the dis-arming of American Citizens when I was given this understanding...

Veteran, as far as the Devil not being allowed to do more the God allows him to do... I believe the line in the sand is drawn at hell. God's word says he will not put more on one than one can handle... Yet many will go to Hell... So the more than anyoe can handle must then be as great or at leat as great as bsing put in Hell. I often claim that yes... God will not put more on you that you can handle, but Satan can and will... I should elabroate here. What one thinks they can handle and what they can actually handle is alot greater than our feeble minds believe. Satan is restricted in so much as he cannot put one in Hell, anything short of that he can do.


This means Satan is willing and can put one through oh so much more than one thinks one can handle. This understanding as to how much one can handle is limited to what we think is our threshold as mere mortals, however is oh so much greater than we would ever want to handle. So in the weak parameters of our mortal mind and body... the statemement that Satan will try t put more on us that Gaod would do... is correct. Taking it past our mortal feeble abilities, no we will not have puton us more than we can handle by God or Satan.
 

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And we are on the verge of complete civil breakdown in the US. Consider this as food for thought, "[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]And the heavens departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Rev 6:14[/background]
[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]Now I know the initial image that comes to mind is some tremendous calamity that happens to the earth, but first consider a few things. [/background]
[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]It is common throughout scripture for certain terms to be representative of a deeper meaning. For instance trees, are often used to represent people and nations. That being said, it is likewise common for words such as mountains, heavens, stars, earth, water, etc to have a deeper spiritual meaning behind it. [/background]

[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]Here we go: "[/background][background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]And the heavens(the high places, governments and seats of power) departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain(kingdoms, nations, the US, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa) and island(individual person, spirit, or body of the church.) were moved out of their places.[/background]

[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]We are in a tense time these days in most all Western countries. Each is plagued with rampant social unrest, even to the point of genocide in some instances, out of control immigration. Whether it be mexicans into the US, Arabs into Europe, or Asians into New Zealand and Australia, the people, the 'earth' or the poor, downtrodden people, are faced with terrible occurences of antichristian doctrine on a regular basis. [/background]

[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]We are to expect a great earthquake, a shaking such that the world has never seen. Could this be people 'shaking' against the foundations of mans government. The world is at war with itself because the people need God, but they don't have it because near every example of what Christianity is supposed to be, is always pointed as flawed, and many times for good reason.[/background]
[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]I am not purporting to be an interpreter of prophesy, i am merely awake to the world we live in and somehow see a connection here. Thoughts?[/background]
 

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Shabbat shalom, xBluxTunicx82.

And we are on the verge of complete civil breakdown in the US. Consider this as food for thought, "[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]And the heavens departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Rev 6:14[/background]
[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]Now I know the initial image that comes to mind is some tremendous calamity that happens to the earth, but first consider a few things. [/background]
[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]It is common throughout scripture for certain terms to be representative of a deeper meaning. For instance trees, are often used to represent people and nations. That being said, it is likewise common for words such as mountains, heavens, stars, earth, water, etc to have a deeper spiritual meaning behind it. [/background]

[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]Here we go: "[/background][background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]And the heavens(the high places, governments and seats of power) departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain(kingdoms, nations, the US, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa) and island(individual person, spirit, or body of the church.) were moved out of their places.[/background]

[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]We are in a tense time these days in most all Western countries. Each is plagued with rampant social unrest, even to the point of genocide in some instances, out of control immigration. Whether it be mexicans into the US, Arabs into Europe, or Asians into New Zealand and Australia, the people, the 'earth' or the poor, downtrodden people, are faced with terrible occurences of antichristian doctrine on a regular basis. [/background]

[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]We are to expect a great earthquake, a shaking such that the world has never seen. Could this be people 'shaking' against the foundations of mans government. The world is at war with itself because the people need God, but they don't have it because near every example of what Christianity is supposed to be, is always pointed as flawed, and many times for good reason.[/background]
[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]I am not purporting to be an interpreter of prophesy, i am merely awake to the world we live in and somehow see a connection here. Thoughts?[/background]

You have WAY TOO MUCH analogous thinking. Why didn't the author SAY "high places, governments, seats of power, kingdoms, nations, ..., individual person, spirit, or body of the Church" if that was what he REALLY MEANT?! If all these were representative of something else, then WHO determines what was intended?!

NO, it would NOT have been left to the imagination of the reader nor to his/her subjective thinking. God tells US what to expect (if He chooses to do so); we don't have the liberty to decide what He "really meant!"

That's like saying, "Well, God didn't really MEAN for Yonah (Jonah) to say that he had REALLY been swallowed by a huge fish. It has to be analogous of something else!" When higher critics say things like this, who are they exalting to the driver's seat? God or THEMSELVES?! Who are WE to say which miracles could really have happened and which ones were merely "representing" something else?

Same thing here! Who do WE think we are to say which prophesies will actually occur as written and which are merely "representing" something else that will happen?

I believe that the U.S.A. is not mentioned that much (if at all) in prophecy simply because in the 230 years or so when the fulfillment actually occurs, the U.S.A. won't be in existence! We are a mere blip on the radar screen that will pass in time! Just look at how far we've drifted away from God in the 235+ years that the U.S.A. has been in existence! Do we really think we will survive until the Second Coming?! We would HAVE to believe in the doctrine of imminence!

Now, I'll grant you that there ARE similies and metaphors in the Bible, but they are WELL telegraphed, and parables are WELL documented to be parables.
 

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Veteran, as far as the Devil not being allowed to do more the God allows him to do... I believe the line in the sand is drawn at hell. God's word says he will not put more on one than one can handle... Yet many will go to Hell... So the more than anyoe can handle must then be as great or at leat as great as bsing put in Hell. I often claim that yes... God will not put more on you that you can handle, but Satan can and will... I should elabroate here. What one thinks they can handle and what they can actually handle is alot greater than our feeble minds believe. Satan is restricted in so much as he cannot put one in Hell, anything short of that he can do.

This means Satan is willing and can put one through oh so much more than one thinks one can handle. This understanding as to how much one can handle is limited to what we think is our threshold as mere mortals, however is oh so much greater than we would ever want to handle. So in the weak parameters of our mortal mind and body... the statemement that Satan will try t put more on us that Gaod would do... is correct. Taking it past our mortal feeble abilities, no we will not have puton us more than we can handle by God or Satan.

I understand by God's Old Testament prophets how Satan often oversteps the bounds of working God has given him to do for this world. Yet The LORD is Faithful in His promises to His elect, and has forewarned His to be faithful even unto death. That faithfulness includes willing to suffer for Christ, taking up our cross if needs be, and putting Him over our own family if needs be, and to not fear death at the hands of the wicked, but to fear God Who can destroy one's soul at the second death.
 

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And I didn't say that I am an interpeter of prophesy. Why is it that people like you always poke their little heads around when someone starts pointing out the reality of things?

"10[background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”[/background][background=rgb(249, 253, 255)]
11He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:" Matthew 13 10-13[/background]

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Revelation was a vision of Christ given to John to record, so who are you to say that what is recorded is a literal account of what 'to expect'.[/background]
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"4But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled. " 1 Thess 5:4-6[/background]
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We are to be alert, and aware, so that the day doesn't creep in on us unexpectedly. So to point out the world today in relation to scripture seems logical. But perhaps you are one of the people just sitting back and waiting for Jesus to 'come take you'. While you sit by, passively letting the faith you hold so dear to your heart be torn apart from the inside, I speak out against fallacies, lies, and purported truths. I am rarely met with any scriptural backing for peoples own refusal to accept the truth. Instead, i am met with comments like yours, only seeking to draw attention off of the matter being discussed.[/background]
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And, the dispersed Israelites went to the isles to the north and the west, there is too much physical evidence(along with everything in scripture) to support that these same Israelites migrated into parts of England, France, Germany, etc. America is the regathering place of all the tribes of Israel, it is the new Jerusalem. Everything that is happening in this world today, the corrupt political systems, wars and genocides worldwide, false religions dominating the scene while Christianity is forced to sit on the back burner by its own members. The mass immigration of other races into the countries that were once predominately Christian and Caucasian was prophesied, According to Genesis 48:4, God said to Israel, the father of the twelve men who became the twelve tribes of Israel,"Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people." [It does NOT say, "His seed shall become a multitude of ghettoes!!!" – Eli] And in verse 19, speaking of Ephraim, one of Joseph's sons and Israel's grandson, Israel prophesied of this one man alone that, "his seed shall become a multitude of nations." Ephriam's descendants alone were to become many nations![/background]


In Genesis 28:3 is God's prophecy to Jacob-Israel, "And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people." Moses, speaking to the two million or more Israelites in the Exodus, said to them, "The Lord God of your fathers make ye a thousand times as many as ye are and bless you as He hath promised you" (Deut. 1:11).


Solomon is estimated to have had more than fifteen million Israelites in his kingdom over 2,500 years ago and yet preachers today would have us believe that less than fifteen million Jews in the world today constitute this "multiplied" seed of Israel (14,334,195 is the 1976 estimate from the Jewish Statistical Bureau, Dr. H.S. Linfield, Exec. Secretary, 1976 World Almanac, page 214).


Ministers who teach that the two million or so Jews in Palestine are fulfilling Bible prophecy of the regathering of Israel are completely ignoring the promises God made to Abraham of the immense numbers of descendants who would be in that regathering.


Their teaching is actually an affront to God, yet millions of church goers believe and support this foolish preaching. Jeremiah was truly right when he said of our day, "The prophets prophesy falsely …. and My people love to have it so" (Jer. 5:30-31).


In Zechariah we read that "all the people of the earth be gathered against it." What are the people of the earth being gathered against? Why prophetic Jerusalem, of course! That huge Jerusalem that is so big it takes an angel to measure it, that has a multitude of people and cattle (Zechariah 2), the one God dwells in, the one He calls "Zion." That is what they are gathered together to destroy. [Is it not obvious that it is we, True Israel, Prophetic Jerusalem, against whom the world's wrath is being orchestrated by the Jews? It is America that is being blamed by the rest of the world for the evils being done by the scheming Zionists, who use our military to promote their version of "peace," the so-called "war on terror." The Jews have, except for the powerless Muslim world, have everyone else on their side, thanks to their control of the press and Judeo-Christianity! The Jews are not oppressed at all. They are, per capita, the wealthiest ethnic group on the planet. Certainly, no one persecutes them in the nations where they live. They are free to practice their religion wherever they are, including the literal city of Jerusalem! It's the Muslims and Christians of the city of Jerusalem who are in danger of being mowed down by Jewish gunmen!! The very obvious fact is that it is Christianity that is being persecuted via the anti-Constitutional "Separation of Church and State" agenda of the Zionists. (The Constitution guarantees Freedom of Religion, not Separation of Church and State. Read it for yourself. It’s the very first sentence of the Bill of Rights.) -- Eli]


And they are not all trying to destroy Jewish occupied Jerusalem. In fact, all the nations of the world (including Communist nations) got together in the United Nations in 1947 and created the present nation we know as Israeli. [Tell it like it is, Pastor Emry!! -- Eli] And this idea that Russia is trying to destroy Jewish Israeli does not stand on close examination. It was Russian Communists who tricked the Egyptians into moving all their armies out into the Sinai desert in 1967 where they were completely at the mercy of Israeli planes. And the Russians never raised a hand to save the Arabs.


The only nation that all the world is being gathered together to destroy is the United States of America. Even our so-called allies like the governments of Sweden, France, and England (and the American government) are helping the anti-God enemies of America. Yet deluded Christian ministers look at old Jerusalem and erroneously call its Jewish occupants "Israel." No, my friends, "all the people of the earth" are gathered against the New JerUSAlem, the United States of America, God's Country, the land of the regathering of the true descendants of the twelve tribes of Israel.


We have seen that Zechariah indicated that "all the people of the earth" would be gathered against prophetic Jerusalem. And we also read that Christ told the Jews, "The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation . . ." As we read some specific descriptions of New Jerusalem, let us keep in mind that Jesus taught "the Gospel of the Kingdom," not just a gospel of personal salvation, as some think. All four Gospels make that plain in the beginning of His ministry. Read Matthew 4:17, Mark 1:15, Luke 4:43, John 3:3 and others.


In John 3:3 Christ explains the connection between personal salvation and the kingdom, "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." The ultimate purpose of Christ's finished work on the Cross was to provide man with the means to enter the kingdom. Jesus Christ said, "But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by Heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is His footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King" (Matt. 5:34-35). The city of the great King!


Turn to Revelation 3:12, which links the born again believer with the city of God, New Jerusalem. "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the Name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."


God's new Name is Jesus Christ. The name to be written on the inhabitant of New Jerusalem is His new name, "Christ man," or "Christian!" The "city of my God," New Jerusalem, will be a Christian place, a place of born again believers, where the Saviour Jesus Christ is believed on and praised, not an old city that has the same name, where Christ is hated and denied.


John goes on to describe this New Jerusalem, the bride of the Lamb, "Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone [here is that stone again] most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; and had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon . . ." And what were the names that were written on the gates to this New Jerusalem? "Which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel!"


Yes, Israel is the Bride, and she will be purified of sin and corruption, for she is washed in the blood of her Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ. Israel shall no longer be a harlot, the divorced wife of the great Jehovah. Israel was made a widow indeed with the death of her Husband, who took her punishment upon Himself on the Cross of Calvary (Isa. 53, 54). Then she, upon receiving the Holy Spirit and being baptized for remission of her sins, becomes the new, cleansed, and made ready virgin Bride of Christ. This is the Israel with the law written in her heart, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israelafter those days, saith the Lord; I will put My laws into their minds, and write them in their hearts; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people" (Heb. 8 and Jer. 31:31). Yes, Israel is the Bride!


We will read a few more verses of Revelation 21 before we turn to one of God's prophets to complete this study of the New Jerusalem. Verse 15, "And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof." This is obviously the same angel referred to in Zechariah 2 who was measuring Jerusalem.


The Scriptures are always consistent; there is no discrepancy when the Word is used to interpret the Word. And that the New Jerusalem is on earth is verified by many Scripture verses including verse 24 of Revelation 21, "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it."What we have just read is not yet complete, however. It will not be finished until after the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. So let us turn to one of God's prophets to see where we are in present world history. God gave all of His prophets visions of His kingdom, but we will finish this study with Micah 4.


"But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord [and remember that "mountain" is prophetic for nation, so Micah is speaking of the nation of the house of the Lord] shall be established in the top of the mountains [above all nations], and it shall be exalted above the hills [small nations]; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord."


What did Zechariah say New Jerusalem would be called? "The mountain of the Lord of Hosts." (Zech. 8:3).

Yes the United States of America is that great nation promised to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Gen. 18:18 and others). It is that great nation spoken of by Christ, when He said to the Jewish priests in old Jerusalem, "The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." [The Jews of Christ's time had usurped the Throne of Israel via Herod just as the Neo-Kahns have usurped America's government today, hijacking it for their sinister, Zionist purposes. -- Eli]


Let us review a few of the names and Scriptural terms used to describe New Jerusalem, or the Kingdom: the Bride of Christ, the holy city, the city of the great God, New Jerusalem, the burdensome stone, this stone, a city that angels measure,the towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein, the city of truth, the mountain of the Lord of hosts, the great Zion, a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof, and on and on. Is that the old city of Jerusalem we see in Palestine under the Jews? Is it that old city at any future time? No! What you see in old Canaanland, in old Palestine, is the city "that killest the prophets," the city that is now "as Shiloh!"

With all we have read in mind, and considering the present situation of the United States of America, surrounded by the nations under the control of World Communism [No, communism is NOT DEAD. It simply goes by another name: Zionism, globalism, New World Order, United Nations Organization, etc.. -- Eli], our government infiltrated by and under the control of anti-Christ people, let us read the rest of Micah 4. We will see this prophecy is now America's current history.


Verse 9, "Now why dost thou cry aloud? Is there no king in thee? Is thy counselor perished?" We certainly seem to be without good counsel in government! "For pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail. Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail." Something is going to be born out of all this trial and tribulation we are going through. "For now shalt thou go forth out of the city [forsake God's laws], and thou shalt dwell in the field [in anarchy, civil disorders, revolution, and violence], and thou shalt go even to Babylon." [Boy! Are we in Babylon!!! We are rolling in it like pigs in slop! -- Eli]


This always stumps those who do not know the correct identity of the "daughter of Zion." It simply means we will come under the control of the international money powers known in the Scripture as "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth" (Rev. 17:5)

Paul explained how we were to know the things of God. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14). God makes His Word plain to those who ask Him for understanding, and Jesus Christ explained to us how we would understand future events through the Spirit. "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself: but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." Future! Future history will be shown by the Holy Spirit. How? By visions and signs and wonders? No! God reveals Himself through His Word - interpreted by the Holy Spirit. So please ask the Holy Spirit for guidance, instead of asking a minister who repeats only what he has been taught in the seminary. And read your Bible!!
 

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" I believe that the U.S.A. is not mentioned that much (if at all) in prophecy simply because in the 230 years or so when the fulfillment actually occurs, the U.S.A. won't be in existence! We are a mere blip on the radar screen that will pass in time! Just look at how far we've drifted away from God in the 235+ years that the U.S.A. has been in existence! Do we really think we will survive until the Second Coming?! We would HAVE to believe in the doctrine of imminence!

Of course USA will be around... though it may not be the force it is today. The reason I can assure you of this is simple. There is just not enough time left. Satan has always sped up as mans technology has sped up. That is because he must do his work through mankind, not just to mankind. All prophecies concerning what Satan will do... man has the technology to do. This country is quite young and so like other young countries not the primary object of Biblical attention. In just 69 years man went from horse and buggy as main staple transport to putting a man on the moon. Who could possibly think Satan is going to take a vacation now?