Do You Pray And Sing In Tongues ?

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biggandyy

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Well, I will leave you with your feelings, emotions, and experience to vidicate scripture.

I will allow scripture to vindicate or invalidate my feelings, emotions, and experience.

The order in which we allow that to happen is very important.
 

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I was once a member of a church which said that tongues had ceased. I could never fully believe this. I figured I had not received
the gift, but it was wrong to state unequivocally that there was no such gift as tongues. I still hold to that. It is a gift from God to be
used in private prayer and worship. The Bible even says that using tongues in front of others just for the purpose of showing them
is completely wrong, and they will think you are crazy. The gift does exist. Thank you Lively Stone---God bless you!
 

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Well, as long as we all leave believing we are right.....

If the feeble mind of man did not presume to resist the clear evidence of truth, but yielded its infirmity to wholesome doctrines, as to a health-giving medicine, until it obtained from God, by its faith and piety, the grace needed to heal it, they who have just ideas, and express them in suitable language, would need to use no long discourse to refute the errors of empty conjecture. But this mental infirmity is now more prevalent and hurtful than ever, to such an extent that even after the truth has been as fully demonstrated as man can prove it to man, they hold for the very truth their own unreasonable fancies, either on account of their great blindness, which prevents them from seeing what is plainly set before them, or on account of their opinionative obstinacy, which prevents them from acknowledging the force of what they do see.

- Augustine

I just stumbled upon this quote, as I am reading City of God - boy, Augustine was brutal.....
 

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I was once a member of a church which said that tongues had ceased. I could never fully believe this. I figured I had not received
the gift, but it was wrong to state unequivocally that there was no such gift as tongues. I still hold to that. It is a gift from God to be
used in private prayer and worship. The Bible even says that using tongues in front of others just for the purpose of showing them
is completely wrong, and they will think you are crazy. The gift does exist. Thank you Lively Stone---God bless you!

Thank you, fish! I know that you are blessed!
 

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There's an easy way to settle the matter about how the real cloven tongue manifests. It involves the example of Acts 2, when EVERYONE present heard the very dialect of the town or village they were born being spoken.

In 1 Cor.12 through 14, Apostle Paul was speaking about known languages of the world, for the word "unknown" in the phrase "unknown tongues" is not in the Greek. The KJV translators added that word "unknown".


Another misrepresenting of what Paul said is the idea of prophesying. To prophesy he showed involved words to be understood in known languages that would edify the Church...

1 Cor 14:1-4
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
(KJV)

In verse 2 was Paul referring to the cloven tongue spoken on Pentecost as being some unknown tongue? Absolutely not, because at Pentecost EVERYONE heard their mother language being spoken. How is it so many have forgotten what happened at the tower of Babel, and how all nations once spoke one language until that event, and then God confused the one language dividing it into many?
 

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I am with Paul the Apostle on this one:

"But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue." (1 Cor 14:19)

You can babble all you want and feel good about it, that's fine with me. I, personally, would much rather receive the intelligible words than the baby talk.

Exactly

The Lord laughs at those in derision. They who belch out non-sense with their mouths thinking someone hears, how bizarre is the fallen man!

Those who think glossolalia is a gift from God, a stammering sound they call a "heavenly language" (lol!). They are so smug in their 'holy spirit' claim of babbling non-sense. Yet, this is them;

Psa 59:7 Behold, they belch out with their mouth: swords in their lips: for who doth hear?
Psa 59:8 But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.

There's an easy way to settle the matter about how the real cloven tongue manifests. It involves the example of Acts 2, when EVERYONE present heard the very dialect of the town or village they were born being spoken.

In 1 Cor.12 through 14, Apostle Paul was speaking about known languages of the world, for the word "unknown" in the phrase "unknown tongues" is not in the Greek. The KJV translators added that word "unknown".


Another misrepresenting of what Paul said is the idea of prophesying. To prophesy he showed involved words to be understood in known languages that would edify the Church...

1 Cor 14:1-4
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
(KJV)

In verse 2 was Paul referring to the cloven tongue spoken on Pentecost as being some unknown tongue? Absolutely not, because at Pentecost EVERYONE heard their mother language being spoken. How is it so many have forgotten what happened at the tower of Babel, and how all nations once spoke one language until that event, and then God confused the one language dividing it into many?


It is amazing how such simple truths as this are evident to sons of God. The incredible blindness of the pentecostal false doctrine that hides such simplicity in Christ!

The reversal of the confusion of language at Bable was Pentecost.

Yet the self called 'pentecostals' prefer the lie that speaking Babble is a "heavenly language"!

Is this not outright and willful ignorance? If it wasn't so sad it would be comical. In the very least, it is extremely uncomfortable and disrupting, a disgusting corruption of conduct unbecoming of a Christian.
 

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Blind guides, speaking derisively about fellow believers who have completely trusted and submitted to the anointing power of Holy Spirit in their lives. Shame on you. May God have mercy on you.
 

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Blind guides, speaking derisively about fellow believers who have completely trusted and submitted to the anointing power of Holy Spirit in their lives. Shame on you. May God have mercy on you.

I rebuke the false doctrine.

The Lord who annoints me with His Holy Spirit rebukes your false doctrine. The Lord who gives me His knowledge wisdom and understanding and Love rebukes you and your false doctrine of the devil. You make God out to be a foreigner who doesn't have the Holiness to speak clearly. You should be ashamed. I pray for God's mercy on you. You are in total derision.
 

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I rebuke the false doctrine.

The Lord who annoints me with His Holy Spirit rebukes your false doctrine. The Lord who gives me His knowledge wisdom and understanding and Love rebukes you and your false doctrine of the devil. You make God out to be a foreigner who doesn't have the Holiness to speak clearly. You should be ashamed. I pray for God's mercy on you. You are in total derision.

You can rebuke until the cows come home, but you are only rebuking something that God gives us. I am sure there is a consequence for that foolishness.

What is this---duelling anointing? Sorry, but I know and love the Lord Jesus Christ and the gift of tongues was given by Him, in response to my asking Him for it. If you cannot discern the deal there, then don't, but don't pit yourself against other beleivers in such a hateful and arrogant manner.

You mean 'delusion', but I forgive you for poor language skills, and some day, the Lord will deal with your unbelief.


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How do you know what I know? Do you simply assume I am less knowledgable than you that since I disagree with you? That is the definition of arrogance.

Andy yes, Stoney, I am fearful. Fearful that those who have drunk the Pentecostal koolaid are in danger of deluding not only themselves but taking many along with them for the ride into error and confusion.


-- You answered your own questions within the very post you asked them in.
 

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Phillip---

You should be more careful. You are rebuking something that is a real gift. There is a lot of fakery----indeed there
is. But counterfeits are always based on something that is real. Counterfeit money is made to look as much like REAL
money as possible. The fakery in spiritual things is made to look as close to the real thing as possible. There is a real
gift of tongues. To rebuke that doctrine is very unwise.
 
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Sorry biggandyy, but questioning someone's wisdom on the matter is not the same as making a "vicarious threat."

The person who questioned the wisdom of rejecting that specific doctrine is hardly in any position to carry out any threat whatsoever against someone who rejects that doctrine.

I understand that discernment is a spiritual gift.........
 

biggandyy

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They aren't questioning me, they are threatening me, vicariously, with hellfire and judgment from God because I disagree with their heresy.
 

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They aren't questioning me, they are threatening me, vicariously, with hellfire and judgment from God because I disagree with their heresy.

Actually that is not the truth, and I suspect that what may be felt as condemnation is just that same condemnation he speaks coming back on him. Such is the trouble with those who cannot discern what is of God and what isn't.
 

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Again, you judge me on your opinions rather on facts, of which you've sought none from me or those who agree with me this entire time. Demonization, name calling, threats is all you are using to support your opinions... and the quarlsome quartet I have ignored call me a troll.
 

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A person stating that someone is 'threatening' them just because they disagree with them is difficult to take seriously.

You, for example.
 

Lively Stone

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Again, you judge me on your opinions rather on facts, of which you've sought none from me or those who agree with me this entire time. Demonization, name calling, threats is all you are using to support your opinions... and the quarlsome quartet I have ignored call me a troll.

Methinks thou art mistaken. No one has uttered a single threat. However, the remarks made in this thread have caused those of us who have been blessed by God in this particular way---tongues---to be consistently defending ourselves---and God's word.
 

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Methinks thou art mistaken. No one has uttered a single threat. However, the remarks made in this thread have caused those of us who have been blessed by God in this particular way---tongues---to be consistently defending ourselves---and God's word.

I AM SORRY DEAR SISTER THAT YOU HAVE TO DEFEND YOURSELF!
I want to learn about his from people who know something about it and the religious minds don't want to let me learn. No wonder it is so hard to get any spiritual meat! religious people are mean and rude! I've said before that dogs and horses have more spiritual discernment than most of the religious people i have met. And the ones who do know are intimidated by the ones spewing what the religious teachers have taught. How am i supposed to grow when people think God does everything according to their experience instead of in accordance with what the bible has to say!

Grandma Shirley is upset! If you don't have this experience then why are you talking? What if you were found to be dissing the Holy Spirit! Stop and think about it! If you don't know about it then why not let the people who do know about it teach us!

Just saying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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