Final Post On Dispensationalism

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Netchaplain

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We should agree on the essentials (i.e., doctrine of salvation) and can lovingly dissagree on the non-essentials (i.e., dispensatioanlaism, predestination, etc). The essentials are a must for salvation and the non-essentials are for growth in salvation. "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God; Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment" (Heb 6:2). These are the essentials. We're admonished not to stay as "babes in Christ" but continue on to maturity in Him. For many, this is as far as they have gone, but they can go on from there to maturity.

Those who are "one flock" in Christ are those who believe in Christ before they see Him (believing Jews and Gentiles), these comprise His Curch or Body and Bride. Most of the Jewish nation will probably not be a part of this (only the Jews who believe before the Millinnium) Body because they will be patakers of the Abrahamic Covenant and just like the Law of Moses, it will not include Gentiles.

The unbelieving Jews will be under there own New Covenent (Ezek 36:27), which will be seperate from the Church. The "one flock" or Church" is comprised of this; "for to make in Himself of twain (Christian Jews and Gentiles) one new man . . ." (Eph 2:15). The unbelieving Jews who exist before Christ's return (which is now the majority of the Jewish nations) will believe in Christ after His return. Different position of blessing (Jhn 20:29)!!!

"There is neither Jew or Greek", meaning, "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek" (Rom 10:12). Before the removal of the "middle wall of partition" (Eph 2:14) and the "taking away" of the Law (Heb 10:9), there existed a difference between the Jew and Gentile. The Jews were the only ones under the Law of Moses and they were the only chosen people of God (Deu 7:6). This was why the Gentiles worshiped seperately in the temple with a wall between them and the Jews. This is the meaning of "no difference".

"And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock [and] one shepherd " (Jhn 10:16). Jesus sent His Apostles "to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Mat 10:6). The "lost sheep" are the Jews who "hear His voice", as the Apostles did and other believing Jews. The "other sheep" are the believing Gentiles, and these two classes make "one fold" and "one new man". Among these there is no difference but there is a difference with the unbelieving Jew. There will be a difference between those who believe in Christ before His return and those who believe in Him after His return, only because they will see Him.

Notice He said of the Gentiles "other sheep", not "lost sheep". The Gentiles weren't of the lost sheep of Israel, they weren't called until the Jews had their oportunity. We are one with the believing Jews, not the unbelieving Jews which will partake of the New Covenant of God in Ezekel's prophecy.

Christian Jews and Gentiles partake now of Christ's New Covenant in His blood'" (Mat 26:28). The covenant of Christ's blood isn't between us and Christ but between Him and the Father, that Christ would save us by His blood, for the Father (Heb 9:12). It's not our covenant but They made us partakers of it!!!!!
 

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Netch that is a terrible and false doctrine you have posted. There is no Jew nor Gentile, for we are all one in Christ.

Neither is there some "futuristic age" where the Jews will "then" believe. That is ridiculous. They either believe the Gospel as preached to them as by Christ and the saints for 2000 years (just as has been to everybody since then) or they die in their sins. That is that. No futuristic web-weaving putting spins on the Gospel, that is dangerous and unprofitable.

This "separation" message for Jews separate from the Gentiles is a false doctrine of dispensationalism. I believe it is a false Gospel with dire consequences affecting those who follow it, and especially those who teach it. A word to the wise.

PS, the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant is most definetly between me and Jesus.

What does anyone have left if they believe Netch? That is definetly 'babe in Christ' preaching... no clue.
 

Stefcui

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Netch that is a terrible and false doctrine you have posted. There is no Jew nor Gentile, for we are all one in Christ.

Neither is there some "futuristic age" where the Jews will "then" believe. That is ridiculous.

Well said, Philip. There are a lot of strange ideas floating around about Israel. Some claim that the modern day Jews are not actually Jews; some say the Jews are really the white nations; some say the Jews alone are called to rule with Christ; some say, as Netchaplain has, that the Jews have a different hope that does not require them to believe in Christ. Treacherous times we live in!

Steve
 

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Netch that is a terrible and false doctrine you have posted. There is no Jew nor Gentile, for we are all one in Christ.

Neither is there some "futuristic age" where the Jews will "then" believe. That is ridiculous. They either believe the Gospel as preached to them as by Christ and the saints for 2000 years (just as has been to everybody since then) or they die in their sins. That is that. No futuristic web-weaving putting spins on the Gospel, that is dangerous and unprofitable.

This "separation" message for Jews separate from the Gentiles is a false doctrine of dispensationalism. I believe it is a false Gospel with dire consequences affecting those who follow it, and especially those who teach it. A word to the wise.

PS, the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant is most definetly between me and Jesus.

What does anyone have left if they believe Netch? That is definetly 'babe in Christ' preaching... no clue.

Phillip, may I ask what you think of this scripture?
25 I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud about yourselves. Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ.26 And so all Israel will be saved. As the Scriptures say,
“The one who rescues will come from Jerusalem, and he will turn Israel away from ungodliness.27 And this is my covenant with them, that I will take away their sins.”
28 Many of the people of Israel are now enemies of the Good News, and this benefits you Gentiles. Yet they are still the people he loves because he chose their ancestors Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.29 For God’s gifts and his call can never be withdrawn.
Romans 11:25-29 (NLT)
 

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Netch that is a terrible and false doctrine you have posted. There is no Jew nor Gentile, for we are all one in Christ.

Neither is there some "futuristic age" where the Jews will "then" believe. That is ridiculous. They either believe the Gospel as preached to them as by Christ and the saints for 2000 years (just as has been to everybody since then) or they die in their sins. That is that. No futuristic web-weaving putting spins on the Gospel, that is dangerous and unprofitable.

This "separation" message for Jews separate from the Gentiles is a false doctrine of dispensationalism. I believe it is a false Gospel with dire consequences affecting those who follow it, and especially those who teach it. A word to the wise.


I'd like to see his face when he finally discovers how many of the Gentiles he keeps pointing to are actually remnants of the ten lost tribes of Israel. That's when he'll discover those dispensationalist doctrines of men have fallen flat.

It's not difficult to discover how Paul marked the Israelite remnant of Romans 11:1-5 as being under Christ Jesus from the start, which shows how God preserved a believing remnant of Israel already, and how they actually had first commissions in the same Gospel Paul preached.