Vicarious Law Keeping? -mjs

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[font="""]Vicarious Law-Keeping? -mjs [/font]
[font="""]This article addresses the concept that Christ's earthly obedience of perfection fulfilled the Law for the Jew and hence, eliminated the guilt of the Law to the Jews. This is a false concept because His perfect obedience was so He could be the perfect sin sacrafice for the Jews and the world. If His death was to fulfill the Law then He died in vain because why would He have to die if He fulfilled the Law?[/font]

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Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the Law unto righteousness to every one that believeth. There has been much discussion of the meaning of the word "end" here. Let us see if Scripture does not clear up the matter for us. When Christ died, He bore for Israel the curse of the Law, for they, and they alone, were under Law. Divine Law, being broken, does not ask for future good conduct on the part of the transgressor; but for his death,--and that only. Now Christ having died, all the claims of the Law against that nation which had been placed under law were completely met and ended. So that even Jews could now believe, and say, "I am dead to the Law!"

To him that believes, therefore, Jew or Gentile, Christ, dead, buried, and risen, is the end of law for righteousness,--in the sense of law's disappearance from the scene! Law does not know, or take cognizance of believers! We read in Chapter Seven (verse 6) that those who had been under the Law were discharged from the Law, brought to nought, put out of business (katargeo), with respect to the Law! The Law has nothing to do with them, as regards righteousness.

The Scripture must be obeyed with the obedience of belief: "Ye are not under law [not under that principle] but under grace" [the contrary principle]. "Ye are brought to nothing from Christ [literally, "put out of business from Christ"], ye who would be justified by the Law; ye are fallen away from grace" (Gal. 5:4). Paul writes in Hebrews 7:18,19: "There is a disannulling of a foregoing commandment, because of its weakness and unprofitableness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and a bringing in thereupon of a better hope, through which we draw near unto God." Again, "Christ abolished in His flesh the enmity [between Jew and Gentile], even the Law of commandments contained in ordinances" (Eph. 2:15); again, speaking as a Hebrew believer, Paul says, "Christ blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and He hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross" (Col 2:14).

If these Scriptures do not set forth a complete closing up of any believer's account toward the Law, or to the whole legal principle, I know nothing of the meaning of words.

The words Christ is the end of the Law, cannot mean Christ is the "fulfillment of what the law required." The Law required obedience to precepts--or death for disobedience. Now Christ died! If it be answered, that before He died He fulfilled the claims of the Law, kept it perfectly, and that this law-keeping of Christ was reckoned as over against the Israelite's breaking of the Law, then I ask, Why should Christ die? If the claims of the Law were met in Christ's earthly obedience, and if that earthly life of obedience is "reckoned to those who believe" the curse of the Law has been removed by "vicarious law-keeping." Why should Christ die?

Now this idea of Christ keeping the Law for "us" (for they will include us among the Israelites! although the Law was not given to us Gentiles), is a deadly heresy, no matter who teaches it. Paul tells us plainly how the curse of the Law was removed: "Christ redeemed us, " (meaning Jewish believers), "from the curse of the Law, having become a curse, is seen in Deuteronomy 21:23: "He that is hanged is accursed of God." It was on the cross, not by an "earthly life of obedience, " that Christ bore the Law's curse.

There was no law given "which could make alive, " Paul says; "otherwise righteousness would have been by it." Therefore those who speak of Christ as taking the place of fulfilling the Law for us,--as "the object at which the Law aimed" (Alford); or, "the fulfillment or accomplishment of the Law" (Calvin); give the Law an office that God did not give it. There is not in all Scripture a hint of the doctrine that Christ's earthly life--His obedience as a man under the [Mosaic] Law, is "put to the account" of any sinner whatsoever! That obedience, which was perfect, was in order that He might "present Himself through the eternal Spirit without spot unto God, " as a sin-offering. It also was in order to His sacrificial death, as "a curse," that Christ died for our sins" (1 Cor. 15:3). William R. Newell, Romans, Verse by Verse
 

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Apostle Paul was clear on just what part of God's law our Lord Jesus nailed to His cross...

Eph 2:14-16
14 For He is our peace, Who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
(KJV)

Col 2:13-14
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(KJV)


The Greek word "ordinances" is dogma, and it's about religious and ceremonial ordinances. It's not about God's commandments and judgments involving thefts, false witness, perjury, murder, rape, sexual perversion, witchcraft, etc.

According to Apostle Paul...

1 Tim 1:8-11
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
(KJV)


In early Christian society those who fell to doing those kind of things were sorely punished according to Christian Law. Just so happens, lot of that Christian law originates within God's law given back in the Old Testament Books.

Those who twist Paul's words about God's laws still being in effect today for the unrighteous seek to do the devil's work of changing the times and the laws (per Daniel 7:25). It's so Christ's enemies can lead believers on Him astray to think they can do anything they want and get by with it.
 

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Original question... "because why would He have to die if He fulfilled the Law"

The Law required Christ's death, to fulfill all righteousness. The "Law" could never save anyone. Thank God for abolishing it.

The Law condemned Christ, especially once He was "nailed on the tree". Because once He was hung on that tree, He came under the curse of the law. "For everyone is cursed who is hanged on a tree". That is how He was made a curse for us. At that point, His death was required, for the Law cursed Him to death.
But prior to that, He died to His "self" willingly.
This is our inspiration.


Every sacrifice under the Law was all about dying to the firstborn of the flesh. Jesus had to die to His firstborn of the flesh self. For Himself, and for all of us of flesh. Only then could men be saved in the resurrection, including Jesus Himself.

Fulfilling the Law was to be sinless. Originally this was demanded in overcoming temptation. Since that could never work, we are to die to ones self of that old Lawful covenant relationship, and to be submissive and obedient to the death of one's self, so that the second man could come forth in resurrection in the New Law, the Everlasting Law of Life.

That is the law fulfilled, when Christ died.
The terms of the law, (death) were abolished, when the Law killed the righteous Lord of Life who wrote it. The testator died, as recorded in Hebrews.

The Eternal Law, the Law of Life in the New Everlasting Covenant, was brought to Light when Christ was resurrected.

Nothing of that old prior Law exists now... ON THOSE RAISED IN CHRIST!



Only the Law of Liberty exists now, and it is only upon those who enter into Christ's death and resurrection via faith and obedience to the the death and the righteous New Life by the Holy Spirit of Christ in you, as baptized by His Holy Spirit.
In this new Life we have power to go forth and preach the same Gospel that we were saved by.

Very cool :)

The rest, as Paul says, "die without law" now, just as dead as they died while under the Law whilst it existed.

So the only hope, is to be delivered from the universal law of "sin and death".

That only comes by dying in Christ as Christ died to self, and being raised up in new Life from baptism, just as Christ is raised up from death to Life Everlasting, and sheds His Spirit into us who have died to self and Live for Christ :)
 

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om 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Those who are in Christ enter into righteousness through faith into grace. The law is not meant to be a means to attain anything...it is a standard which can only be fulfilled when we are empowered by Christ to do so.
 

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Hi Pillip and God bless! What the writer meant by this, "because why would He have to die if He fulfilled the Law", is that Christ's death wasn't related to the Law, because since He fulfilled it, the Law didn't require His death. His death was only related to the demand of the Father, for a perfect and final sacrifice for all sin, through Christ's atonement.
 

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Veteran, the distiction of the phrase "the law" as in Moses Law and "the law" as in the moral laws of God outside the Mosaic ordinances must be maintained. 1Tim.1 you quoted above is to be understood not of the ceremonial law, which was now disannulled but of the leagal systems of man, which were started by God, as "the authorities that be are ordained of God" (Rom 13:1).

I believe we can agree that the removel of the Mosaic Law was in no way related to, or even hinted to, the end of all laws!
 

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Episkopos, I agree with this: "The law is not meant to be a means to attain anything." But this "...it is a standard which can only be fulfilled when we are empowered by Christ to do so" not so much. First of all, the Mosaic Law was only to the Jew and it's intention was to reveal to them that they were guilty of sin against God, because nobody except Christ could perfectly live it. Secondly, since He fulfilled it, the Law was "taken away" (Hbr 10:9) and is to no avail no for anyone attempting to live by it, forever. If you mean the moral law, then this doesn't apply directly. I would be referring to something other than what you wrote.

Even the idea of us being under the moral law would mean we obey because it says to do this or not that. The new man, which we are, doesn't need to be told to do good because God causes us to desire only good, in which case any type of law is not needed for one whom "God workes in both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13). This is what is meant by "the law (legal system) is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly" (1Tim. 1:9).
 

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Episkopos, I agree with this: "The law is not meant to be a means to attain anything." But this "...it is a standard which can only be fulfilled when we are empowered by Christ to do so" not so much. First of all, the Mosaic Law was only to the Jew and it's intention was to reveal to them that they were guilty of sin against God, because nobody except Christ could perfectly live it. Secondly, since He fulfilled it, the Law was "taken away" (Hbr 10:9) and is to no avail no for anyone attempting to live by it, forever. If you mean the moral law, then this doesn't apply directly. I would be referring to something other than what you wrote.

Even the idea of us being under the moral law would mean we obey because it says to do this or not that. The new man, which we are, doesn't need to be told to do good because God causes us to desire only good, in which case any type of law is not needed for one whom "God workes in both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13). This is what is meant by "the law (legal system) is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly" (1Tim. 1:9).

While what you're saying is true, the law remains in order to show that the power of Christ is actually at work. The law is an indicator or righteousness. Like a voltmeter. So if there is power present in the person then the law will show this. If we throw out the law we are only guessing whether or not true resurrection power is being exhibited. So the law reveals the power that is being used. If we are in our own strength we are running on static and the law will reveal that we are sinful. If we hooked up to God, the law will show that we are living perfectly before God and men.
 

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While what you're saying is true, the law remains in order to show that the power of Christ is actually at work. The law is an indicator or righteousness. Like a voltmeter. So if there is power present in the person then the law will show this. If we throw out the law we are only guessing whether or not true resurrection power is being exhibited. So the law reveals the power that is being used. If we are in our own strength we are running on static and the law will reveal that we are sinful. If we hooked up to God, the law will show that we are living perfectly before God and men.

I think I understand where your coming from but I see a better way of proving our state with God.
When Christ died on the cross the veil that separated the most holy place from the holy place in the temple was torn from top to bottom. In times past anyone other than the high priest would drop dead in the presence of God. If Christ's sacrifice had not been adequate to take away the sins of the world then after the manifestation of the prophecy of Joel's in recorded in Acts 2 where God began to pour out His Spirit on all flesh people would have/be dropping dead all over the place. But this is not the case so we do indeed see the proof that Jesus has indeed taken away the sins of the world and God is now at peace with everything.
 

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I think I understand where your coming from but I see a better way of proving our state with God.
When Christ died on the cross the veil that separated the most holy place from the holy place in the temple was torn from top to bottom. In times past anyone other than the high priest would drop dead in the presence of God. If Christ's sacrifice had not been adequate to take away the sins of the world then after the manifestation of the prophecy of Joel's in recorded in Acts 2 where God began to pour out His Spirit on all flesh people would have/be dropping dead all over the place. But this is not the case so we do indeed see the proof that Jesus has indeed taken away the sins of the world and god is now at peace with everything.

Yes, but we only have access IN Christ. Abiding in Christ and being dead to the world are necessary for entering into the presence of God. God remains holy. The gospel is the power of holiness birthed into us as we forsake the world and turn to Christ. We must still deny the world and die daily to it's influences to remain in God's presence.
 

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om 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Those who are in Christ enter into righteousness through faith into grace. The law is not meant to be a means to attain anything...it is a standard which can only be fulfilled when we are empowered by Christ to do so.

Right, for that's about fulfilling the IF condition which Apostle Paul stated, i.e., with walking by The Spirit and not by our flesh.

Yet this argument goes deeper than the admonition for us to walk in Christ Jesus by The Spirit instead of our flesh.

It also involves what will happen to those who instead walk by their flesh, including brethren that fall away to do that. This is why Apostle Paul did not try to hide the judgments per God's laws upon the unrighteous that walk according to their flesh and not by The Spirit, for Paul covered that also in the same Galatians 5 chapter.

If a babe in Christ Jesus is taught only about the walk by The Spirit and not warned about the walk by the flesh, then that is to mislead them, for Paul taught about both at the same time.
 

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Right, for that's about fulfilling the IF condition which Apostle Paul stated, i.e., with walking by The Spirit and not by our flesh.

Yet this argument goes deeper than the admonition for us to walk in Christ Jesus by The Spirit instead of our flesh.

It also involves what will happen to those who instead walk by their flesh, including brethren that fall away to do that. This is why Apostle Paul did not try to hide the judgments per God's laws upon the unrighteous that walk according to their flesh and not by The Spirit, for Paul covered that also in the same Galatians 5 chapter.

If a babe in Christ Jesus is taught only about the walk by The Spirit and not warned about the walk by the flesh, then that is to mislead them, for Paul taught about both at the same time.

Let's also bring this scripture into the discussion for consideration.
1 I can hardly believe the report about the sexual immorality going on among you—something that even pagans don’t do. I am told that a man in your church is living in sin with his stepmother. 2 You are so proud of yourselves, but you should be mourning in sorrow and shame. And you should remove this man from your fellowship.3 Even though I am not with you in person, I am with you in the Spirit. And as though I were there, I have already passed judgment on this man4 in the name of the Lord Jesus. You must call a meeting of the church. I will be present with you in spirit, and so will the power of our Lord Jesus.5 Then you must throw this man out and hand him over to Satan so that his sinful nature will be destroyed and he himself will be saved on the day the Lord returns.
1 Cor 5:1-5 (NLT)