Why is the tribe of Dan not included in the 144,000

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Christina

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Found this Question Ans. posted somewhere thought you might have some of your own ideas Why they are missing...............................................Why is the tribe of Dan not included in the 144,000 in the Book of Revelation? Concerning the absence of the tribe of Dan in Revelation 7. That is a very interesting question. I believe that the history of that tribe reveals clues as to why they would be excluded.First of all, in Genesis 49, Jacob talks about each of his children and their futures. When he gets to Dan, he likens him to a serpent. Obviously, a serpent is not a good thing. Serpents, in the Bible, are connected to Satan, sin, and judgment.By the time we get to the Book of Judges, the tribe of Dan was setting up a priest just for their tribe. The priest that they got was called “father” and had taken a vow of poverty (Judges 17:10). This priest was also an idol-worshipper and a thief (Judges 18:20). Again, this is not a good thing.If we move forward to the time of the kings, we notice that when the kingdom was split in two, Jeroboam, the king of the Northern Kingdom (Israel), made 2 golden calves to keep his subjects from going to Jerusalem to worship the Lord. This was done in response to his concerned that traveling to Jerusalem might lead to reuniting the kingdom under Rehoboam. He put one calf in Bethel and the other up in Dan. All of this is found in 1Kings 12, and verse 30 says, “And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.” Dan, then, became the center of pagan worship for the 10 tribes in the north.Finally, the last time the name Dan is mentioned in scripture is found in Amos 8:14. That verse says, “They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.” Again the context of this verse connects Dan to idolatry.What we learn from all of this is that Dan was the first tribe to practice idolatry, and their history was dominated by graven images. The Lord does not tolerate that kind of thing as Deuteronomy 6:14-15 attests—“Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you; (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.” (Deuteronomy 6:14-15). These verses, like Amos 8:14, reveal the consequences of worshipping those pagan images—complete and total destruction.
 

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Kriss:In addition to Dan not being mentioned, we see that Ephraim is not mentioned either. Rather, Manasseh is mentioned and the "combination" of Ephraim-Manasseh as Joseph.I believe that this is strong indication that Manasseh (the USA) and Joseph (Ephraim in the USA) would survive to the end times. Ephraim (Britain and her commonwealth) would wane (they were once great and then diminished according to Isaiah 28) and enjoyed her heyday before Manasseh. In other words, Britain became greater relatively speaking than the United States in their heyday. But the mention of Manasseh-Joseph is a strong clue that Ephraim is not as powerful by the end times.I personally believe the USA is politically Manasseh, but some of the people are the overflow of Ephraim (c.f. the southern cross flag with the union jack), hence Joseph together and Manasseh as a nation.
 

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Got this answer from one of the sites that I study on,seems to make sense.The omitting of the tribe of Dan here is because of the sins of the people of that tribe, as recorded in I Kings 12:25-28. It was Dan that drew the other tribes of the old "House of Israel" into idolatry.I Kings 12:25 "Then Jeroboam built Shechem in mount Ephraim, and dwelt therein; and went out from thence, and built Penuel."Jeroboam built Shechem on the west side of Jordan as a fort to protect Israel from their enemies, which of course Judah was now considered. The protection of the eastern front of the kingdom was at the fort called Penuel. Three of the tribes of the house of Israel were located east of Jordan, and they were; part of the tribe of Manasseh, Gad and Reuben. Jeroboam is making the battle lines on both the west and the east sides of the river Jordan. I Kings 12:26 "And Jeroboam said in his heart, "Now shall the kingdom return to the house of David:"We are now going to see a man fall apart in his mind. The very force that set him up, is going to tare him down. He is about to do the very thing that brought down Solomon's kingdom and rent the kingdom out of Rehoboam's hand. Remember the promise that God made to Jeroboam, that if he obeyed Him and kept his Commandments and Statutes, He would bless him for ever. So we will see what the first thing that Jeroboam did as king of the kingdom that God gave him. I Kings 12:27 "If this People go up to do sacrifice in the house of the Lord at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this People turn again unto their lord, even unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah." "It was written that everyone should go to Jerusalem to worship the Lord God Almighty, however Jeroboam thought that if his people went to Jerusalem, Rehoboam would make a move on his people, and turn them against him. Then if the People listen to Rehoboam and turn against him, they would try to kill him. Jeroboam simply did not trust God nor did he believe that God could protect him.God has given us many wonderful promises in His Word that they apply to us today. The point is that we have to believe in those promises, and have faith and act on those promises, or they will not be any good to those of unbelief. Jeroboam only acted on what seemed good to himself, and disregarded all the other promises. He had nothing but doubt and contempt for God, and he is about to lose the blessings of God. I Kings 12:28 "Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, "It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt." "This is terrible, to replace the altar of God with two golden calves. This whole statement was a lie, for when the Israelites left Egypt it was because God delivered them from the Egyptians. The two golden calves were made in defiance against God, while Moses was up on the mount Siani getting the two tablets of stone. Jeroboam missed the entire message of Exodus 32: for it was the peoples defiance against God that forced Aaron to take the golden ear rings and all the gold to make their golden calf to replace the things of God. That act broke the first of the commandments, "To have no other gods before Me." For their great sin, all those that did not repent and turn from that act, were killed.When Moses confronted Aaron and asked him "What did this People unto thee, that thou hast brought so great a sin upon them?"http://theseason.org
 
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Well, I think part of the explanation, is in the name Dan, which means "Judge". Maybe God in his infinite wisdom is testing them or using them as a measuring stick so to speak. Also The "Tuatha de Danan's" roots were as seafarer's, leaving their mark on almost every river of Europe. It is said wherever the tribes migrated Dan was always there first. There was a tribe of Dan known as seafarer's even before Dan was born, who probably became co-associated with the tribe of Dan. Somewhere its mentioned, the sons of Zarah left on ships of Dan when the Israelites fled Egypt. Although Dan had many powerful men, and more than a few leaders came out of it, it was the weakest tribe. They also had the most difficult task of trying to drive out the Philistines who occupied there land. There sin was great amoung Israel, as far as idolatry goes. Maybe like Judas, one disciple or tribe will be dismissed. There also the end time goat theory about Dan, anyways.
 

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dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that bitteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward=interesting
 

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Reuben - means "Seeing". Mother: Leah.He lost the firstborn birthright by sleeping with his father's wife. Simeon - means "Hearing" 2nd born of Leah.He was left as hostage in Egypt when the brothers went back to Canaan with orders to return with Benjamin. Levi - means "Joined". 3rd born of Leah.This was the priestly line--only Levites were permitted to be priests and even then they weren't allowed any physical blemishes. Judah - means "Praise" 4th born of Leah.His was the line that proceeded to the House of David and to Jesus. He acknowledged Tamar (means "Palm") was more righteous than himself. Gen38:26. Click for more..More. Dan - "God is judge". 1st born of Bilhah. Type of Judas or the anti-christ? Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path.." Gen49:17, also Amos8:14. Missing from the Rev 144,000. (This was Samson's tribe). Naphtali - means "Wrestling" 2nd born of Bilhah.Wrestling was what Jacob did prior to receiving the new name of Israel. It's a word used uniquely in Eph6 re the Armor of God. Gad - means "A troop comes". 1st born of Zilpah.The blessing of Moses, Deut33:20 KJV, says of Gad "he dwells as a lion, and teareth the arm with the crown of the head". Asher - means "Blessed" 2nd born of Zilpah.The blessing of Moses said of him: "...Let him dip his foot in oil". Issachar - means "Wages". 5th born of Leah. Zebulun - means "Dwelling with husband" 6th born of Leah.Spelled Zabulon, with an a and o, in Matthew and Revelation, and the tribe called "Zebulonites" in Judg12:12 Joseph - means "The Lord will add a son". 1st born of Rachel.His coat of many colors was a precept of how Jesus had his vesture dipped in blood as saviour to all colors and races of men. Benjamin - means "Son of the right hand" 2nd born of Rachel.Responsible for dismembering a body into twelve pieces, Judges 19:29. Now the church is described as a body with many members in 1Cor12:13, and we see Jesus is the REAL son of the right hand. Manasseh - means "To forget my toil and my father's house". 1st born son of Joseph. This was Gideon's tribe.A type of "the Jew first", Rom2:9,10. Known as 'half-tribe' because their inheritance was on either(both) side(s) of Jordan. Num32:33. Ephraim - means "Fruitful" 2nd son of Joseph.A type of "and then the Gentile" Rom1:16. The ten tribes of the Northern Kingdom were also known as "Ephraim". Isa7:8. This was Samuel's tribe. The 7th chapter of the Book of Revelation lists the 12,000 each of the twelve tribes of: Juda, Reuben, Gad, Aser, Nepthalim, Manasses, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zabulon, Joseph, Benjamin. Some spelling is different, and note that both Joseph and Manasses are included, but NOT Dan and Ephraim. Exodus 28:21 (King James Version)21.And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, like the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes.
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Kriss:In addition to Dan not being mentioned, we see that Ephraim is not mentioned either. Rather, Manasseh is mentioned and the "combination" of Ephraim-Manasseh as Joseph.I believe that this is strong indication that Manasseh (the USA) and Joseph (Ephraim in the USA) would survive to the end times. Ephraim (Britain and her commonwealth) would wane (they were once great and then diminished according to Isaiah 28) and enjoyed her heyday before Manasseh. In other words, Britain became greater relatively speaking than the United States in their heyday. But the mention of Manasseh-Joseph is a strong clue that Ephraim is not as powerful by the end times.I personally believe the USA is politically Manasseh, but some of the people are the overflow of Ephraim (c.f. the southern cross flag with the union jack), hence Joseph together and Manasseh as a nation.
Good thoughts Tim I tend to agree with you. It occurred to me, though I have not looked into it at all does anyone have any thoughts on whether or not the tribe of Dan might have evolved into radical Islam???
 

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Those of Islam stem from Ishmael.As Tim hit on, being likened to a serpent by the wayside is not a very good thing. I admittedly don't have much to add besides that. I think there is a message there, but it not very clear to me right now.