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Veteran wrote:
" That's still the teaching of a false pre-trib rapture theory, for that theory is about the idea of being taken ANYTIME BEFORE THE TRIBULATION TIME. The time when the beast image and mark are instituted IS... tribulation time. Christ said in Matthew 24:29-31 His coming and our gathering to Him is AFTER... that tribulation "
I realize the speculation in this matter, however consider there is a time span between the SIGN of the son of Man coming and the "coming" of the Son of Man.
 

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Veteran wrote:
" That's still the teaching of a false pre-trib rapture theory, for that theory is about the idea of being taken ANYTIME BEFORE THE TRIBULATION TIME. The time when the beast image and mark are instituted IS... tribulation time. Christ said in Matthew 24:29-31 His coming and our gathering to Him is AFTER... that tribulation "
I realize the speculation in this matter, however consider there is a time span between the SIGN of the son of Man coming and the "coming" of the Son of Man.

No, that does not mean two different times. Even within the same verse that 'sign' is mentioned it is linked with the events of Christ's actually coming...

Matt 24:30
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(KJV)


What is that 'sign' anyway? It's the event of those on earth 'seeing' His coming at that moment.

Christ's disciples upon the Mount of Olives with Him understood that's about the event of Christ's coming too...

Matt 24:3
3 And as He sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
(KJV)


The Matt.24:29-30 verses is the LAST Sign Jesus gave His disciples there. It's about His coming to gather His Church on earth.
 

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Revelation 19:7-8 indicates that the church, Christ's Bride, is made ready to accompany Christ to earth (Rev. 19:14) before the second coming, how could this reasonably happen if part of the church is still on earth awaiting Christ's Advent? If the rapture of the church takes place at the second coming, then how does the Bride (i.e., the church) also come with Christ at His return? There would not be sufficient time for this to happen within a post trib sequence, but the pre-trib position has no such problem. new Jerusalem does not come down until after the great trib.

Once again, doctrine is causing the confusion.

Revelation 21:9-10
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.

The second coming is Christ returning with His saints, descending from heaven to establish His earthly kingdom (Zech. 14:4-5; Mat. 24:27-31)


1 Thessalonians 4:14
For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

The rapture is most clearly presented in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. In verse 17 the English phrase "caught up" translates the Greek word "harpázô," which means "to seize upon with force" or "to snatch up." Latin translators of the Bible used the word "rapere," the root of the English term "rapture." At the rapture living believers will be "caught up" in the air, translated into the clouds, in a moment of time.
The rapture is characterized in the Bible as a "translation coming" (1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thes. 4:15-17) in which Christ comes for His church. notice that in 1 thes 4:17 we will be brought into the air where the second coming Jesus is descending to establish his kingdom(zech 14:4-5)

To heaven? Not in the passage. Before the tribulation? Also not in the passage.

i believe paul is clearing up a misunderstanding of the rapture and day of the Lord which is why paul even wrote a 2 thes.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

The gathering and coming are both mentioned here, but the only day mentioned is the Day of the Lord. To say that the two events happen on separate days is a venture outside of what's written.

God's wrath on isreal and upon those unbelievers left behind during the great trib.

God's wrath on unbelievers occurs after the judgment on the Day of the Lord. Read your Bible.

no paul is not. if you read you will see that the day of the lord and the second coming are the same. during the second coming everyone will see Jesus when he comes but if you read 1 thes 5:1-3 you will see that Jesus will come like a theif in the night. now look at v 4-7 and you will see that not everyone will see Jesus coming but those that are of God. this is referring to the rapture because in the second coming everyone will see the Lord's return(rev 1:7).

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4
Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the DAY OF THE LORD will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that THIS DAY should surprise you like a thief.

How in the world can you say that Paul isn't talking about the Day of the Lord here?!

1 Thessalonians 5:4-7
But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.

This passage says absolutely NOTHING about unbelievers not being able to see the second coming!

you need to remember that the rapture takes place before the great trib and so Jesus would not come get us and then leave us on the earth during the great trib. no we will go to heaven and then come back with Christ at the second coming where the Lord will establish his kingdom.

You need to remember that this is not in the Bible, contradicted by the Bible, and therefore a lie.

verse 1 speaks of 2 events:the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) and our gathering together to [meet] Him. verses 2&3 talk of the events that will lead up to the day of the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 2:1-4
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

This is saying that the coming of Christ and the gathering both happen on the day of the Lord. Both events are mentioned in the same thought (sentence) as the day. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to split it up.
 

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THEN USUALLY refers to a span of time. No need a for a Sign if it is Jesus returning. The passage could have simply said : Then the Son of Man will appear...

Veteran wrote:
" That's still the teaching of a false pre-trib rapture theory, for that theory is about the idea of being taken ANYTIME BEFORE THE TRIBULATION TIME. The time when the beast image and mark are instituted IS... tribulation time. Christ said in Matthew 24:29-31 His coming and our gathering to Him is AFTER... that tribulation. "

I am unclear as to how you get there. Tribulations begins when the corner stone is set. Half way through tribulations is when the Abomination of Desolation is committed. and after the abomination of desolation comes the rapture. Daniel 12:12 give a blessing to all on earth... consider it. It is the only time God has given a written blessing to his enemies. Consider... to whom else the blessing is given...How about the Jews and the Christians left behind?

How can the anti-christ and/or Satan explain away the rapture? He claims he did it... consider that.
 

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THEN USUALLY refers to a span of time. No need a for a Sign if it is Jesus returning. The passage could have simply said : Then the Son of Man will appear...

The grammatical purpose of the word "then" in the Matt.24:29 verse is to POINT back to the time of the previous verse...

Matt 24:29-30
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(KJV)

The Greek for "then" (tote) is more emphatic, as 'tote' means 'then when, i.e. at the time that' or 'at that time' (Strong's no. 5119). The "And" (Greek 'kai') attached to it as "And then..." makes that phrase even more emphatic as the time of verse 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days...."


Veteran wrote:
" That's still the teaching of a false pre-trib rapture theory, for that theory is about the idea of being taken ANYTIME BEFORE THE TRIBULATION TIME. The time when the beast image and mark are instituted IS... tribulation time. Christ said in Matthew 24:29-31 His coming and our gathering to Him is AFTER... that tribulation. "

I am unclear as to how you get there.


The phrase "Immediately after the tribulaton of those days..." is simple English. That means no 'gathering' to Christ until the tribulation is OVER. Thus any preaching that we are gathered prior to the "abomination of desolation" being setup is the preaching of a Pre-trib Rapture. Even preaching that we are gathered 'during' that being setup, or soon after it's setup, that's still a Pre-trib Rapture preaching, simply because it denies having to go through any part of the 'tribulation' period.

Tribulations begin when the corner stone is set. Half way through tribulations is when the Abomination of Desolation is committed. and after the abomination of desolation comes the rapture.

Per the Book of Daniel, the abomination that maketh desolate is placed in the middle of the final "one week" (which that "one week" represents a 7 year period). The whole 7 year period is divided into two 1260 day periods. The 42 months, or 1260 days, or three and one half years of Revelation is about that latter half of the "one week", and thus specifically the period of "great tribulation" Jesus mentioned when the "abomination of desolation" is setup in a temple with all being required to bow in false worship.

In Rev.13 that idol is called the "image of the beast". The Book of Daniel pattern for it was the golden idol image of Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon. Daniel and his fellows were OK until that golden idol was setup requiring them to bow in false worship to it. When they refused, that's when they were delivered up to the king of Babylon. It will be the same kind of pattern for us during... the tribulation period after that idol abomination is placed in a temple.

However, per Matt.24:22 Jesus said that time would be shortened for the sake of His elect. So it's not literally a 1260 days period anymore.


Daniel 12:12 give a blessing to all on earth... consider it. It is the only time God has given a written blessing to his enemies. Consider... to whom else the blessing is given...How about the Jews and the Christians left behind?

It is not a blessing for 'everyone' on earth. It is only a blessing for he that... does what? waiteth, and... comes to the 1335 days. That idea of waiting is about not falling away to bow to that idol abomination in place of Christ Jesus.

How can the anti-christ and/or Satan explain away the rapture? He claims he did it... consider that.

The first ones 'taken' that gather wheresoever the eagles are gathered, is... a type of 'gathering' to false messian in order to try and emulate our gathering to Christ Jesus at His return. Many will be deceived by that false gathering, especially those who think Christ's gathering is about a gathering in our flesh bodies.
 

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Exactly. The Rapture is true. We need to be ready and living Holy for the Lord, so that we can enter the Holy Kingdom of Heaven. Can you guess what age I am? 16. I am crushed that like 98% the classmates I grew up with want to stay with the world and not the Lord. The Lord is coming too soon for us to be slipping and backsliding.

God bless
 

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The First of Many

6/21/10 From YahuShua HaMashiach, Jesus The Christ, Our Lord and Savior - The Lord’s Words Spoken to Timothy, During an Online Bible/Letter Study Fellowship - For Sasha, And For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Sasha asked this question during study, regarding this quote from The Lord, ”Turn now from the churches for it is finished; the bride is prepared and shall soon be taken out from among them.”: Is this only the people in the churches, or everyone? Because I was thinking of others that don’t go to church, just some random person, they could repent and turn to The Lord today, and be raptured tomorrow... Right? (If the Rapture happened tomorrow).


This is what The Lord says: Beloved, you have seen well, yet only as one who abides in the world, while having blurred vision... No one can see as The Lord sees, nor are you able to look upon the heart. Those prepared and bundled will be taken, both the first and the second of My harvest... Yet of the first, it is finished...


My bride is prepared and awaits My hand...

And lo, My hand is indeed proceeding forth,
Even as My voice calls to her already.


Behold, I tell you a wonderful thing... Your children know already, and have heard, and in their dreams they reach toward Heaven, with arms outstretched... They know Me... And long to return to the place, from which they came and has always been theirs. In the same way, all My children of the first harvest, though they have come of age, know Me, and stretch forth their hands... Some running, while others are just now standing up. Behold, even those in the grave will soon reach forth and fly away.


Therefore, the first of many is finished...

The lowly, of the lowly, will be taken...

Every person, in whom I see of Myself,
And every innocent child, in whom I dwell, having never departed...

Behold, even the mentally handicapped shall be taken,
And made whole in an instant, to the glory of The Father!


Therefore, trust in Me, and believe My words also, though you can only see in part and your understanding is restrained. Believe in ME! Trust in MY ways, for the will of The Father is manifest through Me. And I am that Light, which is shown in the darkness, yet remains apart from the world... For I am set apart in glory, even as The Father is set apart in glory, the power of which has no limits and has always been... Even from everlasting to everlasting, I AM... From which I have also loved you.


Even everyone, who will come to Me, is come already,
And will yet come running...

For those, made for Me, were created in My image, and can in no wise depart...

For they remain with Me, always, where I am...


For I AM, and you are in life because of Me,
And My life has no end.


You do not understand now what I am saying, but you will later... Even very soon now... For that, which is of Myself, must now return to Me... And where I am will you also find love’s completion, for there is no love apart from Me. Even as The Father and The Son can in no wise be divided, in the same way, neither shall any, who are Mine, ever be divided from Me...


I AM THE SOURCE OF LIFE!...

Nothing exists apart from Me!


And if nothing can exist apart from Me... Yea, nothing can be outside The Father or His will... Then why, I ask you, do you fear, as though I am not able at this very moment, to set in order ALL things which the Father had ordained from the beginning?...



I AM THE LORD OVER ALL CREATION!


And if I am Lord over all things,
Then I shall surely do everything,
Which is in My heart to do, concerning My beloved...

For they are the heart of My heart...

My breath is in them...

Behold, they are living souls,
Made after the kind in which they were created...


I...


AM...


HE.
 

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The First of Many

6/21/10 From YahuShua HaMashiach, Jesus The Christ, Our Lord and Savior - The Lord’s Words Spoken to Timothy, During an Online Bible/Letter Study Fellowship - For Sasha, And For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Sasha asked this question during study, regarding this quote from The Lord, ”Turn now from the churches for it is finished; the bride is prepared and shall soon be taken out from among them.”: Is this only the people in the churches, or everyone? Because I was thinking of others that don’t go to church, just some random person, they could repent and turn to The Lord today, and be raptured tomorrow... Right? (If the Rapture happened tomorrow).


This is what The Lord says: Beloved, you have seen well, yet only as one who abides in the world, while having blurred vision... No one can see as The Lord sees, nor are you able to look upon the heart. Those prepared and bundled will be taken, both the first and the second of My harvest... Yet of the first, it is finished...


My bride is prepared and awaits My hand...

And lo, My hand is indeed proceeding forth,
Even as My voice calls to her already.


Behold, I tell you a wonderful thing... Your children know already, and have heard, and in their dreams they reach toward Heaven, with arms outstretched... They know Me... And long to return to the place, from which they came and has always been theirs. In the same way, all My children of the first harvest, though they have come of age, know Me, and stretch forth their hands... Some running, while others are just now standing up. Behold, even those in the grave will soon reach forth and fly away.


Therefore, the first of many is finished...

The lowly, of the lowly, will be taken...

Every person, in whom I see of Myself,
And every innocent child, in whom I dwell, having never departed...

Behold, even the mentally handicapped shall be taken,
And made whole in an instant, to the glory of The Father!


Therefore, trust in Me, and believe My words also, though you can only see in part and your understanding is restrained. Believe in ME! Trust in MY ways, for the will of The Father is manifest through Me. And I am that Light, which is shown in the darkness, yet remains apart from the world... For I am set apart in glory, even as The Father is set apart in glory, the power of which has no limits and has always been... Even from everlasting to everlasting, I AM... From which I have also loved you.


Even everyone, who will come to Me, is come already,
And will yet come running...

For those, made for Me, were created in My image, and can in no wise depart...

For they remain with Me, always, where I am...


For I AM, and you are in life because of Me,
And My life has no end.


You do not understand now what I am saying, but you will later... Even very soon now... For that, which is of Myself, must now return to Me... And where I am will you also find love’s completion, for there is no love apart from Me. Even as The Father and The Son can in no wise be divided, in the same way, neither shall any, who are Mine, ever be divided from Me...


I AM THE SOURCE OF LIFE!...

Nothing exists apart from Me!


And if nothing can exist apart from Me... Yea, nothing can be outside The Father or His will... Then why, I ask you, do you fear, as though I am not able at this very moment, to set in order ALL things which the Father had ordained from the beginning?...



I AM THE LORD OVER ALL CREATION!


And if I am Lord over all things,
Then I shall surely do everything,
Which is in My heart to do, concerning My beloved...

For they are the heart of My heart...

My breath is in them...

Behold, they are living souls,
Made after the kind in which they were created...


I...


AM...


HE.



they could repent and turn to The Lord today, and be raptured tomorrow... Right? (If the Rapture happened tomorrow).


What would lead you to believe that The Lord could come at any moment.

Do you believe the words of Jesus Christ written in the bible?


Thanks, JLB
 

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Do you believe the words of Jesus Christ written in the bible?


Thanks, JLB
Yes I do.


I Search the Hearts and Minds

7/27/09 From YahuShua, Jesus, Our Lord and Savior - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Timothy asked this question of the Lord, for Suzanne: Lord, are you coming only for those who are looking for You (the Rapture)?

Thus says the Lord YahuShua: I am coming for those who are Mine, who I see of Myself in them, and for those little ones who remain in their innocence.
And of those, who carry Me within them, these look for My coming and know it is nigh, for they are fully awake in Me, and wait anxiously with kinked necks.
And those who truly love Me, yet gaze as one having man’s veil atop their heads, not believing those who are Mine will escape but will endure great tribulation, these shall also be taken according to that which their hearts reveal, in spite of their error, for these have also passed from judgment into the Light of Life. It is only the leaders in the churches of men, who led them astray, according to their own arrogance and false doctrine, who shall be left.



I search the hearts and minds! Says the Lord.
 

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Yes I do.


I Search the Hearts and Minds

7/27/09 From YahuShua, Jesus, Our Lord and Savior - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Timothy asked this question of the Lord, for Suzanne: Lord, are you coming only for those who are looking for You (the Rapture)?

Thus says the Lord YahuShua: I am coming for those who are Mine, who I see of Myself in them, and for those little ones who remain in their innocence.
And of those, who carry Me within them, these look for My coming and know it is nigh, for they are fully awake in Me, and wait anxiously with kinked necks.
And those who truly love Me, yet gaze as one having man’s veil atop their heads, not believing those who are Mine will escape but will endure great tribulation, these shall also be taken according to that which their hearts reveal, in spite of their error, for these have also passed from judgment into the Light of Life. It is only the leaders in the churches of men, who led them astray, according to their own arrogance and false doctrine, who shall be left.




I search the hearts and minds! Says the Lord.

I don't know who you're getting this letter from, but His name is YESHUA`, pronounced "yay-SHOE-ah." The name to which you are referring is most likely that which is translated as "Joshua" or "Jehoshua." That's NOT the same name! They don't mean the same thing! And, if you're merging the tetragrammaton with "Yeshua`," you're taking liberties to which you have no right.
 

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I don't know who you're getting this letter from, but His name is YESHUA`, pronounced "yay-SHOE-ah." The name to which you are referring is most likely that which is translated as "Joshua" or "Jehoshua." That's NOT the same name! They don't mean the same thing! And, if you're merging the tetragrammaton with "Yeshua`," you're taking liberties to which you have no right.
YAHUSHUA, The Everlasting Stone
Listen:
6/13/08 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear


Thus says The Lord... Yes I, The God of Abraham, The Everlasting: I have set up a Stone, a true and tried Stone, one which shall never be cast off nor can it ever be moved, though to many it has become an offense... Even so, amen.

Yet to My own He is called Wonderful Counselor, a great blessing, even a wonder! And still to others, His name is used as a cursing. These are the wicked of heart, the froward, who do continually pollute His name, MY NAME, the name I gave Him, the name we share... YAH, YOUR SALVATION!... Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, King of kings, Lord of lords, Immanu El!... I AM.




Behold, The Rock is put forth once again, and it shall destroy!...

Even to the crumbling of all foundations!
The casting down of every high place!
The pulling down of every pillar!...

Nothing which upholds, in the name of men, shall withstand His coming!...

All shall be thrown down! All shall be brought down!



For The Rock, of which all these builders rejected, is set up, and shall be covered over NO MORE! For YahuShua is The Head of the Corner, The Rock, The Cornerstone which endures forever!... Everlasting praise! For your King has come to you, behold He returns to gather, and is also coming in the power of His strength, with great fury!... Give Him all glory! For all things shall bow at His coming! All things on earth, under the earth, and in Heaven! Yes, all shall bow down and give Him glory, calling Him, Lord!

Therefore, thus says The Lord: Choose! Again I say, choose! Be broken atop this Stone, or be ground to dust beneath The Mountain! For He called Christ and Jesus, YahuShua HaMashiach, also being called Yeshua The Messiah, is The Source of Life!... Even as I am The Creator of all things, The Source!
Oh My beloved, My most beloved created ones, choose life! Abandon all this death! Run swiftly, for the end has come and shall progress quickly! Even with great haste shall My hand move across all these waters, over every land! Behold, I shall pass through the multitude, and that which was foreordained shall be accomplished; it shall be done... Even within ten days, and in seven, shall it be finished.



Behold, it shall surely be concluded and judgment shall sit...

MULTITUDES, MULTITUDES, IN THE VALLEY OF DECISION!...

Swift judgment to My left!

Reward on My right!




Come up, My people!

Come up, and partake of the feast I have prepared for you,
Even from the foundation of the world...

The Feast of Tabernacles!...



Peace.

Rest.

One thousand years,
And forever...

Never-ending joy in The Beloved,
In Whom you are accepted.
 

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Exactly. The Rapture is true. We need to be ready and living Holy for the Lord, so that we can enter the Holy Kingdom of Heaven. Can you guess what age I am? 16. I am crushed that like 98% the classmates I grew up with want to stay with the world and not the Lord. The Lord is coming too soon for us to be slipping and backsliding.

God bless

You should apply that admonitiion for yourself also, for there is no Scripture evidence for our gathering by Christ prior to the tribulation, nor prior to His day of wrath upon the wicked on the "day of the Lord".

What you're following is instead from a tradition of men, specifically a tradition that began in 1830's Great Britain with Edward Irving and John Darby. Prior to the 1830's, the Church held to a post-tribulational gathering to Christ Jesus.
 

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YAHUSHUA, The Everlasting Stone
Listen:
6/13/08 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear


Thus says The Lord... Yes I, The God of Abraham, The Everlasting: I have set up a Stone, a true and tried Stone, one which shall never be cast off nor can it ever be moved, though to many it has become an offense... Even so, amen.

Yet to My own He is called Wonderful Counselor, a great blessing, even a wonder! And still to others, His name is used as a cursing. These are the wicked of heart, the froward, who do continually pollute His name, MY NAME, the name I gave Him, the name we share... YAH, YOUR SALVATION!... Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, King of kings, Lord of lords, Immanu El!... I AM.





Behold, The Rock is put forth once again, and it shall destroy!...

Even to the crumbling of all foundations!
The casting down of every high place!
The pulling down of every pillar!...

Nothing which upholds, in the name of men, shall withstand His coming!...

All shall be thrown down! All shall be brought down!



For The Rock, of which all these builders rejected, is set up, and shall be covered over NO MORE! For YahuShua is The Head of the Corner, The Rock, The Cornerstone which endures forever!... Everlasting praise! For your King has come to you, behold He returns to gather, and is also coming in the power of His strength, with great fury!... Give Him all glory! For all things shall bow at His coming! All things on earth, under the earth, and in Heaven! Yes, all shall bow down and give Him glory, calling Him, Lord!

Therefore, thus says The Lord: Choose! Again I say, choose! Be broken atop this Stone, or be ground to dust beneath The Mountain! For He called Christ and Jesus, YahuShua HaMashiach, also being called Yeshua The Messiah, is The Source of Life!... Even as I am The Creator of all things, The Source!
Oh My beloved, My most beloved created ones, choose life! Abandon all this death! Run swiftly, for the end has come and shall progress quickly! Even with great haste shall My hand move across all these waters, over every land! Behold, I shall pass through the multitude, and that which was foreordained shall be accomplished; it shall be done... Even within ten days, and in seven, shall it be finished.




Behold, it shall surely be concluded and judgment shall sit...

MULTITUDES, MULTITUDES, IN THE VALLEY OF DECISION!...

Swift judgment to My left!

Reward on My right!




Come up, My people!

Come up, and partake of the feast I have prepared for you,
Even from the foundation of the world...

The Feast of Tabernacles!...



Peace.

Rest.

One thousand years,
And forever...

Never-ending joy in The Beloved,
In Whom you are accepted.

LOL! Now I KNOW you to be a false prophet! You don't even know what you are talking about! And, Yeshua` would NEVER be so careless! Tell me, what does it mean for Yeshua` to be the Head of the Corner? Tell me, what exactly does the following mean and are they truly connected?

"Behold, it shall surely be concluded and judgment shall sit...
MULTITUDES, MULTITUDES, IN THE VALLEY OF DECISION!...

Swift judgment to My left!
Reward on My right!"

JUST SPEAK FOR YOURSELF and QUIT TRYING TO TALK FOR YESHUA`! He doesn't NEED your help!
 

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4/24/08 From God the Father and Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ -
A Letter Given to Timothy, For Timothy, and For All Those Who Blow the Trumpet

[God the Father:] Timothy, lift up your pen, and write these words I speak to you this day, and give them to My servants who blow this trumpet I have placed in your hand.
Thus says the Lord of Glory:
I shall not share My glory. Neither shall any, who speak against Me, be given a voice. Neither shall any, who mock My name and My voice, be given any voice at all...
For the Day is at hand, when they shall be struck dumb,

and crumble in fear for those things coming upon the earth.

Therefore, My Word stands, and shall not be moved. Whether they will hear or forebear, it shall stand, even to the slaying of their hearts... this is but the beginning. Soon, all shall be brought to fruition, soon shall all be brought forth... it shall be completed, it shall surely come to pass... it shall be done. Therefore, let those, who do wickedly, continue therein; and let those, who do and seek righteousness, continue to walk therein.
Yet I tell you this, My servants: When it is within your power to silence the scoffers, do so... give no voice to the wicked. For to do so is to enable satan. Know you not what the Scriptures say?.... If anyone comes and does not hold to this teaching, do not invite him in. Neither give them place, nor part, in that set forth for the Lord and His proclamation. This would be to give him platform to perpetuate his evil ways, which is to enter into partnership with him. To allow their comments is to welcome them in.


Let them shout to the Lord their controversy,
let their outcry enter into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth...
He shall repay, He shall surely give a punishment and a harsh correction.

And if they choose to stand until the end, beating their chests, shaking their fists toward Heaven, even with a stretched-out arm and a stiff neck, I will destroy them... they will be consumed and blotted out, says the Holy One of Israel. For the Word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, even to the dividing of flesh and sinew, even to the destruction of both soul and body. For all creation was brought forth of the Word... and by His Word and with My word, it shall be finished, it shall be completed.
Yet you ask, ‘What of those in agreement and those who are not against you, Lord? Even all on our part?’ I say to you, what of yourselves? For whose glory do you write? Is My Word in need of supports to prop it up?...

Let all behold My Word.

Let them look upon it as an ensign and waving banner,
brought forth, even as it were, a trumpet, blown continually upon the wall.

Let its sound rush through the streets of the cities.
Let its noise be carried into the wilderness, even to the outermost isles.

And let those, who have ears to hear, listen, and be silent before their God, and pray...
even to the taking up of a quiet lamentation, the putting on of sackcloth and ashes,
even to the great wailing and many tears, over that which I am about to do and bring upon the earth,
and even because of that brought forth already.

Let all the world be put under My feet.
Let all things be put into subjection to the Son, your King, the Holy One!
Let all, in the Earth, partake of My Word, and be brought into deep and profound silence.

[Jesus, Our Lord and Savior:] For what can one add to, or take away from, the Word of the Most High? Let My beloved say, “Amen” ... Even, “Amen and amen. Your will be done, oh Lord”.
And to the rest, let them flee and hide themselves from He who sits on His throne. Let them scurry about, neighing as they go. Let them speak against you by the walls, both open and in secret. For what is it to you, My servants? For against whom do they speak? Whose voice is it they withstand?... Your own?! Rather, count it all joy, that you have suffered scorn on My account, for likewise have their fathers done to all My servants, the prophets, throughout the generations...

I am the Lord!... Vengeance is Mine! I shall repay!

Servants, trust and obey. How can one blow any trumpet while talking? How can one behold My form, when caught up in all these perverse disputings of the heart and mind, soon brought forth in speech, leading into more ungodliness? Give the adversary no occasion to speak, when it is within your power to do so... you are My body. Neither give the wicked man and the scoffer any voice at all, when you are able, for in this you have blessed him in the shutting of his mouth. For a man is defiled, by what is brought forth from the heart and given voice by his mouth. And those sins, not covered by the Lamb, shall be weighed in the balances.
Beloved, give nothing to them... honor Me. Let them eat silence and abide in the same, until, per chance, they turn from their turmoil and repent, in where I shall free them. Beloved, pray for your adversaries. For they fight not against you, they contend with Me... they have hated Me first. And if they hate Me, they will hate My body also, of which you are. And how much more shall they reject and persecute My mouthpiece, even of all these who are sent and speak for Me?

Therefore, beloved servants, trust and obey.

Run not ahead, nor lag behind...
take My hand, going only where I lead you, and do only as I command you...

I am the Lord... even I have bought you.

I am the One who has loved you from the beginning,
who remains with you until the end, and even forever after.

I am He who stays, and I am also He who shall let....

Trust in Me.
 

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Do you practice the occult phenomena of Automatic Writing? Is that how the spirits speak to you? Or do you just use something simple like a Quija board?

Neither The Father or The Son are speaking through you. Instead the spirits that peep are speaking through you, and that outside of God's Word written through those whom He actually did call to speak for Him on earth.
 

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Do you practice the occult phenomena of Automatic Writing? Is that how the spirits speak to you? Or do you just use something simple like a Quija board?

Neither The Father or The Son are speaking through you. Instead the spirits that peep are speaking through you, and that outside of God's Word written through those whom He actually did call to speak for Him on earth.
No, none of the above. The only Spirit that speaks to me is the Holy Spirit when I am reading his word. From what you are saying it seems that you think I am Timothy. I am not. I am but an obedient servant that has been called by the Holy Spirit to Trumpet these Letters of God and his Christ to the world.
 

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Shalom, kjhughes.

Let All in the Earth Partake of My Word, and Be Brought Into Deep and Profound Silence. And Let the Obstinate Stay Silent, Let Him Open Not His Mouth to Speak... Let Him Be Quiet and Consider, Says the Lord.

Home > Volume 7 > Let All in the Earth Partake of My Word, and Be Brought Into Deep and Profound Silence. And Let the Obstinate Stay Silent, Let Him Open Not His Mouth to Speak... Let Him Be Quiet and Consider, Says the Lord.
4/24/08 From God the Father and Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ -
A Letter Given to Timothy, For Timothy, and For All Those Who Blow the Trumpet

[God the Father:] Timothy, lift up your pen, and write these words I speak to you this day, and give them to My servants who blow this trumpet I have placed in your hand.
Thus says the Lord of Glory:
I shall not share My glory. Neither shall any, who speak against Me, be given a voice. Neither shall any, who mock My name and My voice, be given any voice at all...
For the Day is at hand, when they shall be struck dumb,

and crumble in fear for those things coming upon the earth.

Therefore, My Word stands, and shall not be moved. Whether they will hear or forebear, it shall stand, even to the slaying of their hearts... this is but the beginning. Soon, all shall be brought to fruition, soon shall all be brought forth... it shall be completed, it shall surely come to pass... it shall be done. Therefore, let those, who do wickedly, continue therein; and let those, who do and seek righteousness, continue to walk therein.
Yet I tell you this, My servants: When it is within your power to silence the scoffers, do so... give no voice to the wicked. For to do so is to enable satan. Know you not what the Scriptures say?.... If anyone comes and does not hold to this teaching, do not invite him in. Neither give them place, nor part, in that set forth for the Lord and His proclamation. This would be to give him platform to perpetuate his evil ways, which is to enter into partnership with him. To allow their comments is to welcome them in.


Let them shout to the Lord their controversy,
let their outcry enter into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth...
He shall repay, He shall surely give a punishment and a harsh correction.

And if they choose to stand until the end, beating their chests, shaking their fists toward Heaven, even with a stretched-out arm and a stiff neck, I will destroy them... they will be consumed and blotted out, says the Holy One of Israel. For the Word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, even to the dividing of flesh and sinew, even to the destruction of both soul and body. For all creation was brought forth of the Word... and by His Word and with My word, it shall be finished, it shall be completed.
Yet you ask, ‘What of those in agreement and those who are not against you, Lord? Even all on our part?’ I say to you, what of yourselves? For whose glory do you write? Is My Word in need of supports to prop it up?...

Let all behold My Word.

Let them look upon it as an ensign and waving banner,
brought forth, even as it were, a trumpet, blown continually upon the wall.

Let its sound rush through the streets of the cities.
Let its noise be carried into the wilderness, even to the outermost isles.

And let those, who have ears to hear, listen, and be silent before their God, and pray...
even to the taking up of a quiet lamentation, the putting on of sackcloth and ashes,
even to the great wailing and many tears, over that which I am about to do and bring upon the earth,
and even because of that brought forth already.

Let all the world be put under My feet.
Let all things be put into subjection to the Son, your King, the Holy One!
Let all, in the Earth, partake of My Word, and be brought into deep and profound silence.

[Jesus, Our Lord and Savior:] For what can one add to, or take away from, the Word of the Most High? Let My beloved say, “Amen” ... Even, “Amen and amen. Your will be done, oh Lord”.
And to the rest, let them flee and hide themselves from He who sits on His throne. Let them scurry about, neighing as they go. Let them speak against you by the walls, both open and in secret. For what is it to you, My servants? For against whom do they speak? Whose voice is it they withstand?... Your own?! Rather, count it all joy, that you have suffered scorn on My account, for likewise have their fathers done to all My servants, the prophets, throughout the generations...

I am the Lord!... Vengeance is Mine! I shall repay!

Servants, trust and obey. How can one blow any trumpet while talking? How can one behold My form, when caught up in all these perverse disputings of the heart and mind, soon brought forth in speech, leading into more ungodliness? Give the adversary no occasion to speak, when it is within your power to do so... you are My body. Neither give the wicked man and the scoffer any voice at all, when you are able, for in this you have blessed him in the shutting of his mouth. For a man is defiled, by what is brought forth from the heart and given voice by his mouth. And those sins, not covered by the Lamb, shall be weighed in the balances.
Beloved, give nothing to them... honor Me. Let them eat silence and abide in the same, until, per chance, they turn from their turmoil and repent, in where I shall free them. Beloved, pray for your adversaries. For they fight not against you, they contend with Me... they have hated Me first. And if they hate Me, they will hate My body also, of which you are. And how much more shall they reject and persecute My mouthpiece, even of all these who are sent and speak for Me?

Therefore, beloved servants, trust and obey.

Run not ahead, nor lag behind...
take My hand, going only where I lead you, and do only as I command you...

I am the Lord... even I have bought you.

I am the One who has loved you from the beginning,
who remains with you until the end, and even forever after.

I am He who stays, and I am also He who shall let....

Trust in Me.
Hmph! Boldface all you want! Increase the volume all you want (although it does nothing to my computer)! That won't change the fact that YOU are not to speak for GOD!

Yeshua`s name is NOT "Yehowshuwa`!" "Yehowshuwa`" (which you render "Yehushua") is spelled yod-hei-vav-shin-vav-ayin and means "YaH is salvation" or rather "YaH rescued," but "Yeshua`," spelled yod-shin-vav-ayin, means "He will save" or "He will deliver" or "He will rescue!"

Names always meant something (and still do, although fewer and fewer people pay attention to their meanings) in the Bible. Consider when He was so named:

Matthew 1:20-25
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (Greek: Ieesous, pronounced "yay-SOOS" since Greek often ends proper nouns with a stigma, an "s," and has no "sh" sound so uses the "sigma," an "s," in its place): for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
KJV


Luke 1:30-33
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
KJV


Luke 2:21
21 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
KJV


So, He was named by an aggelos - a messenger - from God prior to His conception, He was named according to Yesha`yahu's (Isaiah's) prophecy (Isa. 7:14), and His name means "He shall save" or "One who saves" or "Savior." Let's look at the prophecy:

Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
KJV


But this is just a STARTING POINT within this prophecy!

It doesn't stop there but goes on throughout the rest of the book! Here's a small sampling:

Isaiah 25:9
9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.
KJV


Isaiah 52:7-10
7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
8 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the Lord shall bring again Zion.
9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
10 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
KJV


And, THAT is the essence of "salvation!"

None of your ranting phases me; they are empty words for God is my Father. You probably intimidate those who are your students in your classes because they believe in your false prophecies. You may try to intimidate others with your "fire and brimstone" fake prophecies and warnings, but not here. We'll call your bluff here!
 

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Shalom, kjhughes.



None of your ranting phases me; they are empty words for God is my Father. You probably intimidate those who are your students in your classes because they believe in your false prophecies. You may try to intimidate others with your "fire and brimstone" fake prophecies and warnings, but not here. We'll call your bluff here!
I am not ranting, these are words from God the Father and Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Do you think I am Timothy? I am not. I have no students or classes. I am just one of those Who were called to blow the Trumpet.
 

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I am not ranting, these are words from God the Father and Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Do you think I am Timothy? I am not. I have no students or classes. I am just one of those Who were called to blow the Trumpet.


Sir,

This thread is about the rapture. Please comment about the rapture using scriptures from the bible.

We would like to hear what you have been taught by The Lord from His Word about His rapture.

God is a God of order. Please respect this thread and share what you believe.

If want to start a different thread, and share these words from the Holy Spirit to Timothy, please feel free.


Thanks, JLB
 

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I'd worry if I were you. I'd worry a lot. I do.

What do we think is coming upon the world? I mean in the short term? Peace and safety? Not unless you bury your head in the sand and stop reading and listening to the news.

* The US Federal government has entangled America in thirteen concurrent wars. Our ubiquitous war on terror is nothing but a smoke screen, an overt method of extending police state regulations into every corner of American hegemony.

Don't worry. Be happy.

* The American financial cartel is still stripping away the wealth of working men and women for their own gain and nothing is being done about it. This means inflation. Higher prices for everything. The days of prosperity are over. We've been told for years that hard times are coming.

Don't worry. Be happy.

* Debauchery is everywhere in government. Whatever wisdom still remains to our leadership is being used to betray us and give advantage to the oligarchs.

Don't worry. Be happy.

History records that those nations who turned their backs upon God, divided and collapsed of their own rotten weight. Every state in America has active groups working for secession; the division of America into separate sovereign nations. While this appears to be an improvement in the eyes of many, it portends the end of the country we all grew up knowing.

Don't worry. Be happy.

Bobby McFerrin recorded the song of the year 1989. It's name? Don't worry. Be happy. He's so sick of it, he refuses to perform the song any more. Yes, dear reader there is much to be concerned about.

In Christ, there is confidence to continue. That confidence we rely upon isn't based upon mindless fantasies, but on a very real presence and guidance in our lives. I for one am filled with dread at the things which are coming upon the earth, things which are expected and things which aren't. Whether I live or die because of them, I know that Christ will be with me and that fact alone makes life worth living.

Hard times require a harder savior, and Jesus will be with me down here in the dirt with everybody else. I don't expect a fantastic beam out to solve my problems. That is a childish story if ever I heard one. Jesus is with us and He promised he'd never leave. I can take that to the bank. Can you?

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent.
Don't worry, be happy, we will not endure His wrath!

Let me ask you can your concern or worry change the plan of God? It is He who establishes the rulers, can you out vote God? It is He who brings calamity as well as life giving rain, will your spread of fear change that? I say it is not the plan of God for His church to endure His wrath and you can take that to the bank!