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Psalms 83;1
A Song. A Psalm of Asaph. O God, do not keep silence; do not hold thy peace or be still, O God! 2 For lo, thy enemies are in tumult; those who hate thee have raised their heads. 3 They lay crafty plans against thy people; they consult together against thy protected ones. 4 They say, "Come, let us wipe them out as a nation; let the name of Israel be remembered no more!" 5 Yea, they conspire with one accord; against thee they make a covenant-- 6 the tents of Edom and the Ish'maelites, Moab and the Hagrites, 7 Gebal and Ammon and Am'alek, Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre; 8 Assyria also has joined them; they are the strong arm of the children of Lot. [Selah] 9 Do to them as thou didst to Mid'ian, as to Sis'era and Jabin at the river Kishon, 10 who were destroyed at En-dor, who became dung for the ground. 11 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmun'na, 12 who said, "Let us take possession for ourselves of the pastures of God." 13 O my God, make them like whirling dust, like chaff before the wind. 14 As fire consumes the forest, as the flame sets the mountains ablaze, 15 so do thou pursue them with thy tempest and terrify them with thy hurricane! 16 Fill their faces with shame, that they may seek thy name, O LORD. 17 Let them be put to shame and dismayed for ever; let them perish in disgrace. 18 Let them know that thou alone, whose name is the LORD, art the Most High over all the earth.


Here listed are the nations that dwell in the promised land along side of Israel.
Not one of these nations shall be in the Gog Magog war nor are they said to be.The reason these dont invade Israel in the Gog Magog war is because they dont exist during that time.These nations are destroyed in the Armegeddon war 1000 years before Gog comes upon the mountains of Israel.Israel will iherrit all of the promised land after this war and will enjoy 1000 years of peace before Gog ever comes apon the mountains of Israel .At that time Israel will be dwelling without walls or bars.No need for weapons of any sort.A peaceful people without any fear at all.

.These ten nations mentioned above are represented by the ten horns of the beast .They are of the divided kingdom .The kingdom being the promised land.
Daniel 2;41
And as you saw the feet and toes, part of potter's clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it the strength of the iron, just as you saw the iron mixed with miry clay

The kingdom has been devided.
see the end of this video
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
 

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In the Book of Amos, God's judgments upon the nations is defined better, and it just so happens to include Judah and Israel!

Amos 1:3-15

3 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Damascus, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have threshed Gilead with threshing instruments of iron:
4 But I will send a fire into the house of Hazael, which shall devour the palaces of Ben-hadad.
5 I will break also the bar of Damascus, and cut off the inhabitant from the plain of Aven, and him that holdeth the sceptre from the house of Eden: and the people of Syria shall go into captivity unto Kir, saith the LORD.
6 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Gaza, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they carried away captive the whole captivity, to deliver them up to Edom:
7 But I will send a fire on the wall of Gaza, which shall devour the palaces thereof:
8 And I will cut off the inhabitant from Ashdod, and him that holdeth the sceptre from Ashkelon, and I will turn Mine hand against Ekron: and the remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord GOD.
9 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Tyrus, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they delivered up the whole captivity to Edom, and remembered not the brotherly covenant:
10 But I will send a fire on the wall of Tyrus, which shall devour the palaces thereof.
11 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Edom, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because he did pursue his brother with the sword, and did cast off all pity, and his anger did tear perpetually, and he kept his wrath for ever:
12 But I will send a fire upon Teman, which shall devour the palaces of Bozrah.
13 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of the children of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have ripped up the women with child of Gilead, that they might enlarge their border:
14 But I will kindle a fire in the wall of Rabbah, and it shall devour the palaces thereof, with shouting in the day of battle, with a tempest in the day of the whirlwind:
15 And their king shall go into captivity, he and his princes together, saith the LORD.
KJV


Amos 2
2:1 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Moab, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because he burned the bones of the king of Edom into lime:
2 But I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the palaces of Kerioth: and Moab shall die with tumult, with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet:
3 And I will cut off the judge from the midst thereof, and will slay all the princes thereof with him, saith the LORD.
4 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Judah, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have despised the law of the LORD, and have not kept his commandments, and their lies caused them to err, after the which their fathers have walked:
5 But I will send a fire upon Judah, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem.
6 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Israel, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they sold the righteous for silver, and the poor for a pair of shoes;
7 That pant after the dust of the earth on the head of the poor, and turn aside the way of the meek: and a man and his father will go in unto the same maid, to profane my holy name:
8 And they lay themselves down upon clothes laid to pledge by every altar, and they drink the wine of the condemned in the house of their god.
9 Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.
10 Also I brought you up from the land of Egypt, and led you forty years through the wilderness, to possess the land of the Amorite.
11 And I raised up of your sons for prophets, and of your young men for Nazarites. Is it not even thus, O ye children of Israel? saith the LORD.
12 But ye gave the Nazarites wine to drink; and commanded the prophets, saying, Prophesy not.
13 Behold, I am pressed under you, as a cart is pressed that is full of sheaves.
14 Therefore the flight shall perish from the swift, and the strong shall not strengthen his force, neither shall the mighty deliver himself:
15 Neither shall he stand that handleth the bow; and he that is swift of foot shall not deliver himself: neither shall he that rideth the horse deliver himself.
16 And he that is courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked in that day, saith the LORD.
KJV


Therefore, the Ps.83 Scripture is no more about the ten horns (ten kings) of Rev.17 than a man in the moon!
 

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Amos wasnt writing about Gog .Never spoke of him once in all that you quoted.


Again I say.
If you were of Israel,you should at least know where the kingdom is and who reigns over it today.
You should also understand when Jesus comes who it is that dwell in his kingdom .
Those ten nations fight against the Lamb for posession of the pasturelands of God.(The promised land).
They dwell in it today.

What ,you think those muslims shall dwell in the kingdom with Jesus?
You think they shall inherit the kingdom do you?

No Veteran.They shall fight against the Lamb for controll of the kingdom but they shall be defeated.

"Let us take possession for ourselves of the pastures of God."

Revelation 17;14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.




And like Ive said which you cant seem to understand.
None of the nations which reside in the promised land are with Gog when he comes against Israel.Not one.
I understand why none of those nations are with Gog.You dont understand .
 

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Shalom, Shilohsfoal.

He's not "reigning over it today!" The Kingdom is not here, yet! Without the physical presence of the King, there is no physical presence of the Kingdom.
 

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Amos wasnt writing about Gog .Never spoke of him once in all that you quoted.


Again I say.
If you were of Israel,you should at least know where the kingdom is and who reigns over it today.
You should also understand when Jesus comes who it is that dwell in his kingdom .
Those ten nations fight against the Lamb for posession of the pasturelands of God.(The promised land).
They dwell in it today.

What ,you think those muslims shall dwell in the kingdom with Jesus?
You think they shall inherit the kingdom do you?

No Veteran.They shall fight against the Lamb for controll of the kingdom but they shall be defeated.

"Let us take possession for ourselves of the pastures of God."

Revelation 17;14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

And like Ive said which you cant seem to understand.
None of the nations which reside in the promised land are with Gog when he comes against Israel.Not one.
I understand why none of those nations are with Gog.You dont understand .


Psalms 83 says nothing... about Gog either!

The rest of your post is only a vain attempt to save face.
 

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Psalms 83 says nothing... about Gog either!

You finnally got something right!!!!!
Psalms 83 has nothing to do with Gog at all.Nor does armegeddon.

If you didnt try to make Armegeddon out to be a worldwide event you might realize its not.Its a location in Israel .
Where the kings of the east will go.And if you dont know about the kings of the east .I will go ahead and tell you they are mentiuoned just a few verses before Armeggedon is.On thier way there.
 

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You finnally got something right!!!!!
Psalms 83 has nothing to do with Gog at all.Nor does armegeddon.

If you didnt try to make Armegeddon out to be a worldwide event you might realize its not.Its a location in Israel .
Where the kings of the east will go.And if you dont know about the kings of the east .I will go ahead and tell you they are mentiuoned just a few verses before Armeggedon is.On thier way there.


The Book of Amos has everything to do with Bible history, and... the very end of this present world.


Amos 5:18-20
18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
(KJV)

Amos 9:5-15
5 And the Lord GOD of hosts is he that toucheth the land, and it shall melt, and all that dwell therein shall mourn: and it shall rise up wholly like a flood; and shall be drowned, as by the flood of Egypt.
6 It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name.
7 Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?
8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.
9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
(KJV)


7th VIAL = Armageddon


Rev 16:15-21
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And He gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done."

The 7th angel pours out his Vial into the "air", not upon the earth, signifying the end of this present world with the time of God's wrath upon the wicked, and thus the voice out of Heaven says, "It is done".

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

There's the same great earthquake mentioned on the 6th SEAL of Rev.6. It's the same great earthquake on the 7th Trumpet per Rev.11. It happens at Christ's coming on "the day of the Lord" when He comes "as a thief".


19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

There again is a direct reference to events on the 6th SEAL, with every island and mountain moved out of their places in association with the time of God's wrath upon the wicked. So how is it that we find the event of God's wrath upon the wicked ALSO... back at the 6th SEAL? especially if the Vials is supposed to be the time of His wrath? The direct parallel is undeniable for those who heed God's Word as written.


21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
(KJV)

Great hail weighing about a talent? (70-120lbs).


The Ezekiel 38 parallel to this:

Ezek 38:20-23
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at My presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all My mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23 Thus will I magnify Myself, and sanctify Myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
(KJV)

That's a direct parallel to the Armageddon event when Christ comes and our gathering to Him happens, on "the day of the Lord". It's also when His wrath is upon the wicked on earth, happens at the same instant of His appearing on that day. The hailstones weighing a talent is upon the army coming upon Israel out of the northern quarters on the last day of this present world.