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Now I will ask you a question again.... which of the 10 Commandments do you willfully break and believe God has given you approval to willfully break?

Hey Truthseeker! Can I perhaps ask you a question? You, know, just to clarify? What do you mean by 'wilfully' breaking those laws? I'm just wondering how you view sin. I assume you admit you still sin, even though you may try not to? Are you claiming that every time you do sin, it's a complete surprise and it was totally unwilling on your part? I'm just wondering how you deal with your inner thoughts and some of your knee jerk heart responses.
Thanks!
 

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TruthSeeker,
I have repedly stated that both Old and New Testaments are saying the same thing and anyone who states different is teaching another gospel.

Let's see...there is the Old Testament and the...Same Old testament!

Is the NEW Testament just a Greek translation of the Old version? Just a different binding?

Or are old things passed away and ALL things are become new?
 

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Hey Truthseeker! Can I perhaps ask you a question? You, know, just to clarify? What do you mean by 'wilfully' breaking those laws? I'm just wondering how you view sin. I assume you admit you still sin, even though you may try not to? Are you claiming that every time you do sin, it's a complete surprise and it was totally unwilling on your part? I'm just wondering how you deal with your inner thoughts and some of your knee jerk heart responses.
Thanks!

I am happy to answer your questions AFTER you answer my questions FIRST that I asked you FIRST!

I will rephrase the question a bit, hopefully making it easier for you to answer:

Which of the 10 Commandments do you believe God has given you approval to willfully break as a New Covenant Christian?

God bless.
 

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I am happy to answer your questions AFTER you answer my questions FIRST that I asked you FIRST!

I will rephrase the question a bit, hopefully making it easier for you to answer:

Which of the 10 Commandments do you believe God has given you approval to willfully break as a New Covenant Christian?

God bless.

You know, I haven't been in this conversation for many, many pages. I have not dodged your questions, so your rather rude demands above are completely groundless. Plus, I cannot answer any of your questions until you have clarified some points...which was the purpose of my questions. So how about you take a deep breath, hop off that horse that's apparently really high, and just see my questions for what they were...an honest desire to understand your point of view a little better.
 

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You know, I haven't been in this conversation for many, many pages. I have not dodged your questions, so your rather rude demands above are completely groundless. Plus, I cannot answer any of your questions until you have clarified some points...which was the purpose of my questions. So how about you take a deep breath, hop off that horse that's apparently really high, and just see my questions for what they were...an honest desire to understand your point of view a little better.

So I guess you refuse to answer my question? Which of the 10 Commandments do you believe God has given you approval to willfully break as a New Covenant Christian? Ok fine, it seems many people on this board refuse to answer my questions. And I know why.

Anyone else willing to debate salvation with me? Someone who is not too frightened to answer my questions?

God bless.
 

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So I guess you refuse to answer my question? Which of the 10 Commandments do you believe God has given you approval to willfully break as a New Covenant Christian? Ok fine, it seems many people on this board refuse to answer my questions. And I know why.

Anyone else willing to debate salvation with me? Someone who is not too frightened to answer my questions?

God bless.


Whenever we say that Christians ought to be lawful, there are always some
who think this means we must be legalistic. The scribes and Pharisees were
legalistic, and we do not advocate being like them. In their scrupulousness
to follow the law, they actually broke it.

Many examples are given in Matthew 5. Legalism is where a person reads
the law that says, “Thou shalt not murder,” but they think it is okay to hate
their neighbor (Matt. 5:21, 22). Legalism is where a person reads the law
that says, “an eye for an eye,” and then they insist that it is their sacred
duty to exact vengeance in full to all those who offend them (Matt. 38-42).
Legalism is where a person reads in the law, “Thou shalt love thy neighbor,”
and then adds his own tradition, “and hate thine enemy.” Legalism is where
a person narrowly defines “neighbor” so that they do not have to love those
that they want to hate.

This is why Jesus preceded all of these examples by saying that our
righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees (Matt. 5:20). In other words,
we have to do a better job of interpreting and applying the law than they did.
Many of their opinions destroyed the law.

It is most unfortunate that men interpret and apply the law by their carnal mind
and understanding, instead of letting the Holy Spirit do this for them. This was
the problem with the scribes and Pharisees in Jesus' day, as Jesus said in Matt.
23:27, 28,

27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For
you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside
appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's
bones and all uncleanness.
28 Even so you too outwardly appear righteous to men,
but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness
(anomia).

The problem has persisted to the present. When men do this, they become
legalistic, and they cause others to cast aside the law entirely. In doing this,
they are no longer able to live by EVERY word that has come from the mouth
of God (Matt. 4:4). It is the job of the overcomer to pray to see the difference
between lawfulness and legalism, lest they become lawless.

A legalist interprets the Bible according to the idol of his own heart—that is, his
own desire and understanding, rather than by the revelation of the Holy Spirit.
He either looks for loopholes in the law to justify his sin, or he adds his own
traditions to the law that make the law a heavy burden to the people. Overcomers
are those whose desire is to know the mind of God, rather than to establish their
own desire or point of view. They genuinely want to be obedient, rather than to
dictate their wishes to God.


Logabe
 

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So I guess you refuse to answer my question? Which of the 10 Commandments do you believe God has given you approval to willfully break as a New Covenant Christian? Ok fine, it seems many people on this board refuse to answer my questions. And I know why.
Anyone else willing to debate salvation with me? Someone who is not too frightened to answer my questions?

TS, I'm not going to answer your manipulative questions, nor play your games. But out of love I'm going to share something with you to think about. Don't respond; I don't want to hear anything you have to say. I'm tired of hearing you justify yourself. Just control yourself and think about what I say and pray.

In the US, some states charge their citizens income tax. If a person lives in a state that requires him to pay income tax, he is bound by law to do so; otherwise he will suffer the consequences. If that same person moves to the house next door across the border to another state that does not require its citizens to pay income taxes, he is free from the laws of the state he once lived in. That state no longer has any authority over him, and he does not have to pay its state income tax. As long as that person remains a citizen of his new state, he is free from paying any state income taxes, even though he may travel to other states that do require their citizens to pay income taxes.

Likewise, living in the flesh, we are bound by God's law that requires us to be righteous; otherwise we will suffer the consequences, which is death. If a person moves out of that state of death through baptism into Christ's death, he is raised into a new state of life where there is no condemnation because all penalties have already been paid in full. The former state no longer has any authority over him; and he owes no obedience to its laws because he has already been declared forever righteous. In fact he doesn't even have to think about those laws anymore. As long as he remains a citizen of his new state, he is free, even while those around him who are not citizens of his state are bound to obey God's law.
 

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Whenever we say that Christians ought to be lawful, there are always some
who think this means we must be legalistic. The scribes and Pharisees were
legalistic, and we do not advocate being like them....

The difference between the Pharisee's and me is that they viewed the 10 Commandment Law to save them, the root of their salvation. However with me, I view the 10 Commandments as the fruit of my salvation and because I am ALREADY saved.

Now answer this...Which of the 10 Commandments do you believe God has given you approval to willfully break as a New Covenant Christian?

God bless.

TS, I'm not going to answer your manipulative questions, nor play your games....

As usual, my questions frighten you. You can run and hide but one day you will need to face these questions that I ask.

As for me, I would never ever willfully break any of the 10 Commandments. But preachers of the "law is abolished" doctrines, run and hide when I ask them which Commandments out of the 10 God has given them approval to willfully break. Instead of answering, they attack me instead.

God bless.
 

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Matt 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(KJV)
Now all of you who say Christ did away with the laws of God, please explain this scripture?

Hi Sabitarian,

While I would not say that "Christ did away with the laws of God", I would reference Paul:

Romans 7:1-4 NKJV
(1) Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
(2) For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.
(3) So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
(4) Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.


But you are looking for someone to expain this Scripture in Matthew? Certainly it means exactly what it appears to be saying. Jesus taught this before His death, under the old covenant, to those who lived under the old covenant.

Just like He said a little bit later, God would not forgive you unless you forgive others. Under the new covenent, he says, Forgive others, as God in Christ has forgiven you. Do you see the difference?

The Sermon on the Mount, as we call is, was the final coffin nail for those who thought they were righteous, having kept, or so they thought, the outward obedience of Law.

But I would say to you, as Paul said to those in his day, you who say we must keep the Law, do you not hear what the Law says???

Personally, I would not dream to dare to challenge God to judge me according to my keeping the Law. Of course, to do that is a rejection of grace anyway.

Love in Christ,
Mark

The difference between the Pharisee's and me is that they viewed the 10 Commandment Law to save them, the root of their salvation. However with me, I view the 10 Commandments as the fruit of my salvation and because I am ALREADY saved.

Now answer this...Which of the 10 Commandments do you believe God has given you approval to willfully break as a New Covenant Christian?

God bless.

Hi TruthSeeker2012,

Why would you think that you can separate out only 10 of God's commandments contained in the Law, as if only those need by kept?

But even so . . . Are you saying that God simply wants you to not murder?

Why would we stop so short of God's desire for us???

We are to love.

Your question, in and of itself, contains the logical fallacy in that it is a "complex question", along the lines of "have you stopped beating your wife?". It assumes something that doesn't necessarily apply to the hearer, and therefore, if the question is allowed at face value, can only receive a "wrong" answer.

The fact is, no one who teaches that we are no longer governed by the OT Law would answer that we wilfully violate the 10 commandments. Not because we believe that we have to keep the 10 commandments for the sake of keeping them, but because they agree with the Law of Love. We believe in the Law of Love, that is, living out in our lives the Love of God for others, and our own love for God.

Now, take the special case of the Sabbath. We do not keep the Sabbath as specified in the OT, but in fact we do keep the Sabbath as explained in Hebrews. We have rested from our works, that is, trying to make ourselves righteous by keeping the Law, and are resting in Jesus' imputed righteousness.

But I'll tell you an OT Law I will happily break. God's Law in the OT required no eating seafood except that it have fins and scales, that is, no shrimp! The thing is, I heartily enjoy shrimp, it may even be my favorite food! I especially enjoy the really big ones. Should you ever come to my home for dinner, I'll be certain to serve Kosher.

But even so, it's not really breaking a law when that law has not been given to govern you.

Love in Christ,
Mark
 

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Hi Sabitarian,

While I would not say that "Christ did away with the laws of God", I would reference Paul:...
Hi TruthSeeker2012,
Why would you think that you can separate out only 10 of God's commandments contained in the Law, as if only those need by kept?
But even so . . . Are you saying that God simply wants you to not murder?
Why would we stop so short of God's desire for us???
We are to love.
Love in Christ,
Mark

God does not want us to murder anyone, in fact He commanded we do not. However, God commanded Moses to enter a village and slaughter and murder women and children. So Mark tell me, what do you think we should do?

Besides the 10 Commandments, what other Law do you keep?

God also wants us to love other, reach out to the needy and spread the Good News. Do you do all these things?

God bless.
 

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So I guess you refuse to answer my question? Which of the 10 Commandments do you believe God has given you approval to willfully break as a New Covenant Christian? Ok fine, it seems many people on this board refuse to answer my questions. And I know why.

Anyone else willing to debate salvation with me? Someone who is not too frightened to answer my questions?

God bless.

My friend, why can you not see that I was not dodging?
You want me to answer whether it is okay to 'wilfully' break a commandment. I simply wanted clarification on what you mean by 'wilful'. You will agree that it is hard to truthfully answer a question you are not sure about?
How about you clarify for me, and then I promise I will answer. I'm not avoiding, not dodging, not side stepping...I just need to know, so I can answer properly, what you mean by 'wilfully breaking' a commandment. If you want me to answer, I need that clarification. It's completely up to you.
 

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My friend, why can you not see that I was not dodging?
You want me to answer whether it is okay to 'wilfully' break a commandment. I simply wanted clarification on what you mean by 'wilful'. You will agree that it is hard to truthfully answer a question you are not sure about?
How about you clarify for me, and then I promise I will answer. I'm not avoiding, not dodging, not side stepping...I just need to know, so I can answer properly, what you mean by 'wilfully breaking' a commandment. If you want me to answer, I need that clarification. It's completely up to you.

Rach, are you seriously trying to tell me that you have no idea what the word "willful" means and that you want me to explain what "willful" means? Are you serious or you sidestepping?

Willful means the same as intentional. Do you know what intentional means or do I need to explain that word also?

So tell me Rach, do you willfully and intentionally break any of the 10 Commandments and reason to yourself, "Oh well, I am about to commit a sin, I know it's a sin, I can choose not to do it, but I will do it anyway, after all, I am saved by grace alone and can get away with it?" Is that what happens Rach? Yes or No?

Can a person who willfully and intentionally keeps on killing people, stealing, deceiving people inherit eternal life? Yes or No?

God bless.
 

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Rach, are you seriously trying to tell me that you have no idea what the word "willful" means and that you want me to explain what "willful" means? Are you serious or you sidestepping?

Willful means the same as intentional. Do you know what intentional means or do I need to explain that word also?

So tell me Rach, do you willfully and intentionally break any of the 10 Commandments and reason to yourself, "Oh well, I am about to commit a sin, I know it's a sin, I can choose not to do it, but I will do it anyway, after all, I am saved by grace alone and can get away with it?" Is that what happens Rach? Yes or No?

Can a person who willfully and intentionally keeps on killing people, stealing, deceiving people inherit eternal life? Yes or No?

God bless.

I would thank you for answering my very simple question finally, but as you blatantly did it by mocking me and my understanding, I won't. Shame on you...I had a purpose for asking it, and it wasn't stupidity on my part.

As I promised an answer, I'll give you one.

No, absolutely not. It is not okay for a Christian to say 'I know this is a sin, but I don't care, I'm gonna do it anyway. It doesn't matter, Jesus covers all my sin, so this one won't matter'. In fact, no truly regenerated Christian will think like this. If you do think like this, it proves you're not really saved and that you really don't understand the gospel.

But hear me on this. Human nature being what it is; even that of a Christian...a genuine one that has been truly regenerated, we are still liable to sin...we are not perfect. There will be times when we act before thinking, have a thought pop into our heads or hearts that reveal the sinful nature we fight against. And if we are completely honest, there will be times when we look at something, and convince ourselves (sometimes without even knowing it) that something is acceptable for us to do, even when we might feel deep down it might not be...basically, sophistry. We find ourselves judging actions through the lens of worldly standards, and for a brief moment things are okay for us to do. The thing that marks a true Christian from a fake one after that, is repentance. If we do something wrong...be it completely unintentional, and we're unaware it's a sin until it's pointed out to us; or even if we foolishly race into something because our judgement is momentarily skewed...the mark of a true Christian comes in conviction and repentance. We don't try and explain away our sin. We own it, we feel it, we are convicted of it and it grieves us, and we get down on our knees and repent of it. And then we get up and go on knowing we are clean in Christ, and that freedom gives us power not to do the same stupid thing again...at least in the same way.

I think at this point I really need to remind you of something. You say that a person who 'wilfully' breaks one of the 10 will not be saved. And that may be true if we consider it from the standpoint of people who think they may behave as they choose, sinfully, but will be covered by Christ's blood. But I really think that we must take a different stance when talking of those who are truly redeemed. We strive to be godly, we strive to put sin to death and follow the Spirit's leading in life (which is obviously doesn't include sin!), but as we mess up and are not perfect, we need to allow that if we repent, pretty much anything is not a damnable offence. And of course true repentance is actively turning our backs on that behaviour. I need to remind you Truth, that you yourself are not perfect. You hang a lot on keeping those 10, but remember when Jesus said:

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. (Matthew 5:21-22 ESV)

Jesus tells us that no matter how 'righteous' we are, no matter how hard we try to keep even the 10, we fail. Even that small flash of anger you feel when someone insults you means you have just broken one of the 10. That is why the gospel is so important. Without grace, we would all perish. Even those who believe they do not 'wilfully' break the 10.
 

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Legalism is where one says..."you should be obeying the law the way I do or you are not with God."

This is wickedness in the eyes of God. The Pharisees missed the bigger picture by judging from themselves and by nit-picking and bothering others about their way of keeping the law. They condemned Jesus for not washing hands, putting up with sinners, confronting them...etc...

The problem with the church is not a calendar issue...it is a spiritual issue. To reduce the church to a Sunday keeping vs Saturday keeping aganda is preposterous. We are to be ALWAYS holy...not just better behaved on a certain day.

Does anyone eat pork????

TruthSeeker...do you eat pork???
 

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God does not want us to murder anyone, in fact He commanded we do not.

Hi TruthSeeker2012,

You speak the words from the old covenant.

Hear the words of the new covenant. God wants you to love others, in fact, He lives love through you. If you are murdering, you are not living His love.

However, God commanded Moses to enter a village and slaughter and murder women and children.

You are accusing God of Murder????

I can't imagine this is really your intent, could you possibly re-word what you are saying?

So Mark tell me, what do you think we should do?

Love God, and love others.

Besides the 10 Commandments, what other Law do you keep?

This is another of those "complex questions". It introduces a logical fallacy into the discussion. Perhaps you could ask your question a different way?

God also wants us to love other, reach out to the needy and spread the Good News. Do you do all these things?

You could simply say God wants us to love Him, and to love each other. Reaching out to the needy, sharing the Gospel, these are all included, and, of course, much much more. And yes, that is the primary goal in my life, to love God, and love others. And it is this love that comes as we walk in the Spirit. Do I do these things? Yes.

But not as a matter of rule-keeping.

Love in Christ,
Mark
 

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I would thank you for answering my very simple question finally, but as you blatantly did it by mocking me and my understanding, I won't...

More sidestepping so you can avoid my questions. You try to find any excuse to run and hide from my questions.

Anyone else willing to humbly answer this question:

Can a person be saved and inherit eternal life, if they refuse to repent, and if they continue to willfully break God's 10 Commandments, for example if they willfully continue to sleep around with multiple sex partners, kill people, steal, deceive people etc? Yes or No?

Anyone brave enough to answer?

God bless.

Legalism is where one says..."you should be obeying the law the way I do or you are not with God."

This is wickedness in the eyes of God. The Pharisees missed the bigger picture by judging from themselves and by nit-picking and bothering others about their way of keeping the law. They condemned Jesus for not washing hands, putting up with sinners, confronting them...etc...

The problem with the church is not a calendar issue...it is a spiritual issue. To reduce the church to a Sunday keeping vs Saturday keeping aganda is preposterous. We are to be ALWAYS holy...not just better behaved on a certain day.

Does anyone eat pork????

TruthSeeker...do you eat pork???

Legalism is trying to earn salvation by good works. But I am saved and have salvation by Jesus' perfect works he did during His sinless life of righteousness. But I obey now because I am already saved NOT to be saved. Out of LOVE for Jesus.

John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey the Commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him

We are justified and saved by free grace through Jesus' works! YET ONCE SAVED, we walk in harmony with the Law and Commandments! IF NOT, then a person continue to live in sin, and their faith is dead, and they weren't saved in the first place and 1John 2:4 applies to them.

Jesus taught that obeying in order to be saved is the worst kind of legalism, but obeying because we are saved is the acid test of a true relationship experience. Obedience follows true faith just as surely as day follows night. The person who keeps the commandments because he doesn't want to displease the God he loves is not a legalist at all!

And NO WAY, I do not eat pork, because it's an unclean food and it's linked to heart disease and other ill health issues. Even if I wasn't a Christian, I would still avoid pork, it clogs up the heart arteries and is a disgusting food.

Now that I answered your question, fair is fair, now you answer my question.... can a person be saved if they continue to willfully sin, e.g continue to rob people, have multiple sex partners regularly, continue to break into houses and steal things etc? Yes or No?

God bless.

Hi TruthSeeker2012,

You speak the words from the old covenant.

Hear the words of the new covenant. God wants you to love others, in fact, He lives love through you. If you are murdering, you are not living His love.



You are accusing God of Murder????

I can't imagine this is really your intent, could you possibly re-word what you are saying?



Love God, and love others.



This is another of those "complex questions". It introduces a logical fallacy into the discussion. Perhaps you could ask your question a different way?



You could simply say God wants us to love Him, and to love each other. Reaching out to the needy, sharing the Gospel, these are all included, and, of course, much much more. And yes, that is the primary goal in my life, to love God, and love others. And it is this love that comes as we walk in the Spirit. Do I do these things? Yes.

But not as a matter of rule-keeping.

Love in Christ,
Mark

Mark, I am a new Covenant Christian saved by faith + grace alone. But are you telling me I should now go and willfully break all the 10 Commandments? Yes or No?

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid!

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid! Yea, we establish the law.

Willfully breaking Gods Commandments means we have NO TRUTH and there is NO LIGHT in those who do it! [1John 2:4], and willfully breaking God's Law means the person is NOT doing God's Will:

Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

You need to ask yourself why you hate God's Law so much. Sincerely born again Christians have God's Law written on their heart and sincerely born again Christians LOVE the Law, not HATE the Law as you do:

Hebrews 10:16 "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

Are you saying that once a Christian is saved and set free in Christ, that they are now free to willfully break all the Commandments from the 10 Commandments? Yes or No?

Can you go through the 10 Commandments and show me which Commandments out of the 10 that you willfully break and believe God teaches us to willfully break?

1. You shall have no other gods before me. <--- Do you willfully break this Commandment? Yes or No?

2. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. <--- Do you willfully break this Commandment? Yes or No?

3. You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name. <--- Do you willfully break this Commandment? Yes or No?

4. Remember the sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy. <--- Do you willfully break this Commandment? Yes or No?

5. Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you. <--- Do you willfully break this Commandment? Yes or No?

6. You shall not murder. <--- Do you willfully break this Commandment? Yes or No?

7. You shall not commit adultery. <--- Do you willfully break this Commandment? Yes or No?

8. You shall not steal. <--- Do you willfully break this Commandment? Yes or No?

9. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. <--- Do you willfully break this Commandment? Yes or No?

10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or
anything that belongs to your neighbor. <--- Do you willfully break this Commandment? Yes or No?

And Mark, are you claiming the Bible is wrong and that Moses never entered the village, under God's Command, and never slaughtered women and children? Yes or No?

God bless.
 

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Can a person be saved and inherit eternal life, if they refuse to repent, and if they continue to willfully break God's 10 Commandments, for example if they willfully continue to sleep around with multiple sex partners, kill people, steal, deceive people etc? Yes or No?

Of course they can.

Is it likely?

No.

Salvation is an inner transformation that eventually validates itself with an outward expression. But case in point, take the theif on the cross who repented and was saved. Did he have occasion to demonstrate beyond his words that he was saved? No, he did not, yet he was still saved.
 

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Can a person be saved and inherit eternal life, if they refuse to repent, and if they continue to willfully break God's 10 Commandments, for example if they willfully continue to sleep around with multiple sex partners, kill people, steal, deceive people etc? Yes or No?

Of course they can....

Wait just one minute!!!!! Just so I understand clearly what you are teaching.... are you saying that a criminal who continues to steal and rob, deceive people, kill people, sleep around with multiple sex partners can still inherit eternal life and be saved, without the need to ever repent of his sins? Yes or No?

Anyone else on this thread agree with biggandyy?

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What, do you work for NBC news? Please use my entire quote and do not cherry pick.

Ahh I thought you would change your tune and story now. You did say "of course they can".

So just so there is no confusion... please give a direct and honest answer to this question...Can a person, who continues to intentionally break the 10 Commandments, for example, steal and rob, deceive people, kill people, sleep around with multiple sex partners, still inherit eternal life and be saved, without the need to ever repent of their sins? Yes or No?

God bless.