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There is not a single post-Calvary New Covenant text which commands tithing. That is because true HOLY tithes as used by Malachi and Jesus were always only food from inside God’s HOLY land (matters of the law). Gentiles could not tithe and tithes could not come from outside Israel.
New Covenant giving is mostly sacrificial (2 Cor 8). For many that means MORE than ten per cent; others are giving sacrificially at far less than ten per cent.
“It's only people who hate the idea of giving to God their first 10% of ALL INCOME, that try to look for ways to escape it, because they trust in MONEY more than God to provide for themselves.”
Your statement is an insult to millions of sincere God-loving Christians who are caught in poverty and must obey First Timothy 5:8 before giving.
If the “in the same way” of First Cor 9:14 only referred back to 9:13 (instead of 9:7-13), it it self-defeating because it proves too much; it would command Christians to copy ALL forms for Temple support as 9:13 allows. The principle of 9:7-14 is “each vocation has its own principles.” Christian giving principles are “by grace through faith.” “Live of the gospel” means “live by gospel principles” and not “live by law principles of giving.”
“It seems that he says that the way the Levites were paid was the model for the NT era preacher.”
This is absurd for several reasons: (1) The Levites who received the first whole tithe were NOT ministers of the sacrifices. They were the doorkeepers, ushers, deacons, choir, musicians, and builders. Surely you are not suggesting we follow the OT example and give our tithes to them! (Num 3; 18; Neh 10:37-38). (2) In exchange for receiving the tithes, Levites and priests were not allowed to own or inherit property. Are you suggesting gospel preachers follow this principle and also only receive a tenth of the tithe?
“People were tithing in Paul's day BUT TO JESUS. Hebrews 7:8.
You ignore the context. 7:8 is present tense and the temple was still operating. They were tithing to the temple system because Jewish Christians in Judea were still “zealous of the law” (Acts 21:20-21).
“Hebrews 7:1,2,8-10”
I noticed you left out 7:5, 12, and 18. 7:5 is the first mention in Hebrews of the words “commandment, law, and tithes.” In 7:12 it is necessary to “change the law” because the priesthood had been changed; “law” must at the very least refer back to 7:5 and the law of tithing. 7:18 says that the “commandment going before” “to take tithes” (from 7:5) has been “disannulled, abolished.” It does not say that it was transferred to gospel workers.
“The Bible is very clear for anyone who earnestly seeks the truth, that tithing is a New Covenant principle.”
Your principle of interpretation is wrong concerning the law. (1) Gentiles never were under the law (Rom 2:14-16). (2) God only gave the Law to Old Covenant Israel as a hedge against the Gentiles (Ex 19:5-6). (3) The OT Levitical tithe was only for Levites and priests who were not allowed to own property in Israel.
“Ttithing shows us and God that we completely trust in God as our number 1 to provide for us.”
No texts. Not a single tithe was ever used in the OT to build a mission station to convert Gentiles. There is no precedent.
“Their FIRST 10% of ALL INCOME goes to God.”
Again, no texts. Firstfruits are never called tithes in the Bible. Firstfruits were very small token offerings (Deut 26:1-4; Neh 10:35-37a).
There is not a single post-Calvary New Covenant text which commands tithing. That is because true HOLY tithes as used by Malachi and Jesus were always only food from inside God’s HOLY land (matters of the law). Gentiles could not tithe and tithes could not come from outside Israel.
New Covenant giving is mostly sacrificial (2 Cor 8). For many that means MORE than ten per cent; others are giving sacrificially at far less than ten per cent.
“It's only people who hate the idea of giving to God their first 10% of ALL INCOME, that try to look for ways to escape it, because they trust in MONEY more than God to provide for themselves.”
Your statement is an insult to millions of sincere God-loving Christians who are caught in poverty and must obey First Timothy 5:8 before giving.
If the “in the same way” of First Cor 9:14 only referred back to 9:13 (instead of 9:7-13), it it self-defeating because it proves too much; it would command Christians to copy ALL forms for Temple support as 9:13 allows. The principle of 9:7-14 is “each vocation has its own principles.” Christian giving principles are “by grace through faith.” “Live of the gospel” means “live by gospel principles” and not “live by law principles of giving.”
“It seems that he says that the way the Levites were paid was the model for the NT era preacher.”
This is absurd for several reasons: (1) The Levites who received the first whole tithe were NOT ministers of the sacrifices. They were the doorkeepers, ushers, deacons, choir, musicians, and builders. Surely you are not suggesting we follow the OT example and give our tithes to them! (Num 3; 18; Neh 10:37-38). (2) In exchange for receiving the tithes, Levites and priests were not allowed to own or inherit property. Are you suggesting gospel preachers follow this principle and also only receive a tenth of the tithe?
“People were tithing in Paul's day BUT TO JESUS. Hebrews 7:8.
You ignore the context. 7:8 is present tense and the temple was still operating. They were tithing to the temple system because Jewish Christians in Judea were still “zealous of the law” (Acts 21:20-21).
“Hebrews 7:1,2,8-10”
I noticed you left out 7:5, 12, and 18. 7:5 is the first mention in Hebrews of the words “commandment, law, and tithes.” In 7:12 it is necessary to “change the law” because the priesthood had been changed; “law” must at the very least refer back to 7:5 and the law of tithing. 7:18 says that the “commandment going before” “to take tithes” (from 7:5) has been “disannulled, abolished.” It does not say that it was transferred to gospel workers.
“The Bible is very clear for anyone who earnestly seeks the truth, that tithing is a New Covenant principle.”
Your principle of interpretation is wrong concerning the law. (1) Gentiles never were under the law (Rom 2:14-16). (2) God only gave the Law to Old Covenant Israel as a hedge against the Gentiles (Ex 19:5-6). (3) The OT Levitical tithe was only for Levites and priests who were not allowed to own property in Israel.
“Ttithing shows us and God that we completely trust in God as our number 1 to provide for us.”
No texts. Not a single tithe was ever used in the OT to build a mission station to convert Gentiles. There is no precedent.
“Their FIRST 10% of ALL INCOME goes to God.”
Again, no texts. Firstfruits are never called tithes in the Bible. Firstfruits were very small token offerings (Deut 26:1-4; Neh 10:35-37a).
Incorrect and I have shown evidence from Jesus and the NT that teaches tithing is still a biblical principle, and I am not the only Christian in the world who sees it taught by Jesus and the NT as there are millions of Christians in the world today who are tithing every week. The Bible is very clear about tithing, but people who don't want to give away their first 10% to God, are the ones who falsely claim tithing has been abolished, and at Judgement day russkellyphd, you can explain to Father God why you robbed Him and why you refused to tithe and why you refused to place God before money.
God bless.
Good post, clearly laid out. The OT tithe was owed by some of Israel and therefore paid as a debt much like we pay our taxes today. I don't give my utility bills, I pay them. We are most definitely encouraged in the new covenant scriptures to give to others but what we give should be determined in our own hearts.
Read all my posts in all threads regarding tithing, I show that tithing is still a biblical principle and those who refuse to tithe are robbing God and not placing God as their number 1, instead they place trust in money as their number 1 to provide for themselves and not God.
Why do you think there's millions of Christians around the world who tithe weekly?
God bless.
I believe maybe doesn't matter how you tith but you first have to trust in God with all your money. I am not saying take all you money from pay check and giving it because just kinda pain out stupid. I think 10% is just a good marker.
Wayne, that's a good point you make and that's why I support tithing, because it truly shows God and yourself that we trust in God FIRST and BEFORE money to take care of us and provide for us and our families. There's a reason for tithing and it releases our trust in money to be our number 1.
It's very healthy spiritually to tithe.
Wayne, sorry to go off topic, but may I ask what your profile pic means?'
God bless.
Got a question for ya Wayne. When you say "doesn't matter how much you tithe" do mean amount or the frequency?
Isn't it better to give all to God? Not just money, but everything? And then just let Him guide us in how He wants it used.
"Rules of Giving" go against the new covenant life. My life as a Christian is, simply stated, Jesus living His life through mine.
I have been co-crucified with Christ, and yet I live, and yet, not I, but Christ lives in me.
Think about this truth, and what it means.
If we start adhering to a set of rules, such as "tithing", that replaces letting Christ do whatever it is He wants to through me. Perhaps He wants to give more. Perhaps he wants to give less. Perhaps He does want to give 10% of our income to our favorite pastor/teacher. But perhaps He wants to give everything to some homeless guy.
We live what is written upon our heart, not what was written upon stones.
Love in Christ,
Mark
"Rules of Giving" go against the new covenant life. My life as a Christian is, simply stated, Jesus living His life through mine.
I have been co-crucified with Christ, and yet I live, and yet, not I, but Christ lives in me.
Think about this truth, and what it means.
If we start adhering to a set of rules, such as "tithing", that replaces letting Christ do whatever it is He wants to through me. Perhaps He wants to give more. Perhaps he wants to give less. Perhaps He does want to give 10% of our income to our favorite pastor/teacher. But perhaps He wants to give everything to some homeless guy.
We live what is written upon our heart, not what was written upon stones.
Love in Christ,
Mark
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I tithe. And whether I am the weaker or stronger brother for it is of no concern of yours, or anyone else's, except God.
People who claim tithing breaks a curse are, IMO, just snake oil salesman making merchandise of God's people. There is no curse in Christ; therefore, people who say there is are liars.
Thanks for answering Andy. I wonder if God doesn't require tithing in the new covenant than who does?
Well, it's kind of like this. There's only so much of the pie to go around. A plethora of graduates from bible schools and colleges creates competition for this pie. Bellies don't like to go hungry.
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