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Episkopos

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Correct since you are not God he has not failed you but failed God. Some do not understand the spirit filled life and make it sound so esoteric. There are basic steps every believer can know and experience with the spirit filled life. it is attainable to all some some select few.

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Jesus was exaggerating about how difficult it was to enter the kingdom walk? Every believer? That's the popular mantra. No big deal...

So you don't like Paul's instructions on how we are to meet. And you don't think Jesus was being honest about the availability of the higher walk? ???
 

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You are spiritually rich and have need of nothing.
you are projecting again as you are the one claiming the Pauline experience of being caught up to the 3rd heaven except for years longer than the Apostle.

But to answer your assertion I am rich in Christ for in Him are all the riches and wisdom.

Colossians 2:3-4
My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments.

Ephesians 1:17
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him.

Colossians 1:9
For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives,
 
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you are projecting again as you are the one claiming the Pauline experience of being caught up to the 3rd heaven except for years longer than the Apostle.

But to answer your assertion I am rich in Christ for in Him are all the riches and wisdom.

Colossians 2:3-4
My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments.

Ephesians 1:17
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him.

Colossians 1:9
For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives,
Point to Christ Jesus to the last breath my friend . He is our hope and our salvation . To HE alone shall the lambs point .
 

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13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

I think people consider themselves already be in the unity of a perfect man and be at the full stature of Christ...since the calling of a prophet is needed...UNTIL THEN. So considering themselves to be higher than they are, they dispense with what God has given to the church to BE the church. Namely prophets.

There is a famine in the land...of hearing DIRECTLY from God.
But this is not what Ephesians 4:13 means at all...you are speaking a falsely...stop it! This is corrupting the meaning of scripture.

It means that the gospel shall be continually preached and shared until the Body of Christ is in full agreement in the same faith, in the faith in the only perfect man, Yahshua our Christ, AND until the Body of Christ, the elect, will be literally gathered in as the completed Body in Christ at that point.

and then in the next verse, 14 it says this process is necessary (critical) in verse 13 to make us mature and secure in Christ, and that it will insulate us from listening and then believing in false doctrines devised by cunning and deceitful men, or false prophets, as we now ALL understand this one true gospel, as one Body.
 

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The Spirit indwelling believers is a New Testament doctrine . John 14:26. It was a mystery revealed in New Testament through Christ indwelling believers . 1 Corinthians 2:7-16. The mystery hidden which is Christ in you the hope of glory . Colossians 1:26. This discussion has come to a decisive conclusion . It’s New Testament not Old Testament.

John 14
I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Future as Jesus said above He will be in you after He leaves them.

John 14
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 15:26
26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.

So far it’s all future .

John 16:7
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you

Still future

John 16:
2 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

Still future

Jesus prayer for them is still future that He would be in them and they would be one as the Father and Son are one and in each other .

John 17
My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given meto be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you[e]known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”

1 Corinthians 2:6-16
We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.9 However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”[b]—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[c] 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”[d]
But we have the mind of Christ.

Colossians 1:25-27
I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people. 27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
 

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But this is not what Ephesians 4:13 means at all...you are speaking a falsely...stop it! This is corrupting the meaning of scripture.

It means that the gospel shall be continually preached and shared until the Body of Christ is in full agreement in the same faith, in the faith in the only perfect man, Yahshua our Christ, AND until the Body of Christ, the elect, will be literally gathered in as the completed Body in Christ at that point.

and then in the next verse, 14 it says this process is necessary (critical) in verse 13 to make us mature and secure in Christ, and that it will insulate us from listening and then believing in false doctrines devised by cunning and deceitful men, or false prophets, as we now ALL understand this one true gospel, as one Body.
"In many crucial and excruciating ways, [Christianity] is an anti-religion, a critique of all the human forms of faith from a prophetic perspective which recognizes that religions generally decay into religiosity, that icons deteriorate into idols, and that aesthetic ritual degenerates into ritual anaesthesia. It urges agile vigilance against all human gods, especially the gods of reputation and status.”
--Aidan Mathews, Fasting and Feasting
 

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But this is not what Ephesians 4:13 means at all...you are speaking a falsely...stop it! This is corrupting the meaning of scripture.

It means that the gospel shall be continually preached and shared until the Body of Christ is in full agreement in the same faith, in the faith in the only perfect man, Yahshua our Christ, AND until the Body of Christ, the elect, will be literally gathered in as the completed Body in Christ at that point.

and then in the next verse, 14 it says this process is necessary (critical) in verse 13 to make us mature and secure in Christ, and that it will insulate us from listening and then believing in false doctrines devised by cunning and deceitful men, or false prophets, as we now ALL understand this one true gospel, as one Body.
4:11

NASB"He gave"
NKJV"He Himself gave"
NRSV"the gifts He gave"
TEV"It was he who gave gifts to men,"
NJB"and to some, his gift was"

Christ Himself, (cf. Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Cor. 12:4-6), gives spiritual gifts to His/their people. Believers are all gifted ministers. Some are leaders, but all are ministers. We are saved to serve.

There are several lists of spiritual gifts in Paul's writing (cf. 1 Cor. 12: 8-10, 28-30; Rom. 12:6-8; Eph. 4:11). These lists are not identical. This implies that these lists are not exhaustive, but representative. For Paul the gifts are aspects of Jesus' ministry given to His body (the church) to continue His ministry.

The NT never gives a definitive list of the gifts or a guideline for believers' knowing which gifts they are given. The focus is not on identifying gifts, but on the diverse aspect of ministry. One of the best practical guidelines for knowing one's spiritual gift is found in an IVP booklet called "Affirming the Will of God" by Paul Little. The same guidelines for knowing God's will apply to discovering one's spiritual gift.

"apostles" This is the ongoing usage of the term beyond "The Twelve" (cf. Acts 14:4, 14, Barnabas; Rom. 16:7, Andronicus and Junias; 1 Cor. 4:6, 9; 12:28-29; 15:7, Apollos; Phil. 2:25, Epaphroditus; 1 Thess. 2:6, Silvanus and Timothy). Their exact task is uncertain, but it involves proclamation of the gospel and servant leadership of the church. It is even possible that Rom. 16:7 (KJV "Junia") refers to a feminine apostle!

"prophets" The exact function of these gifted believers is also uncertain (cf. Acts 11:28; 21:9-11; 15:32). They are not the same as OT prophets who wrote Scripture. New Testament prophets apply Scripture to new and different situations. They are linked with apostles, evangelists, pastors and teachers because they all proclaim the gospel, but with different emphases.

"evangelists" Surprisingly, in light of Matt. 28:19-20, this gift is mentioned only three times in the NT. Their task in the early church, like the previous two, is uncertain (cf. Acts 21:8; 2 Tim. 4:5), but again obviously involved proclamation of the gospel and servant leadership. It is possible that these first three gifted leaders had itinerant or regional ministries.

"pastors and teachers" The titles "elders" (presbuteroi), "bishops" (episkopoi), and "pastors" (poimenas) all refer to one function and later office (cf. Acts 20:17, 28; and Titus 1:5-7). The term "elder" had an OT background, while the term "bishop" or "overseer" had a Greek city-state background. The Greek syntax (one conjunction [de] and one article [tous]) links these two titles together as one function, one gifted person who proclaims and explains the gospel to a local situation.

It is interesting that in Rom. 12:7 and 12:28 teachers are listed as a separate gift and pastors are not mentioned at all (unless it is "he who exhorts" in Rom. 12:8). There is so much we moderns do not know about the early church.

4:12

NASB"for the equipping of the saints for the work of service"
NKJV"For the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry"
NRSV"to equip the saints for the work of ministry"
TEV"He did this to prepare all God's people for the work of Christian service"
NJB"so that the saints together make a unity in the work of service"

Leaders are God's gifts given to train the Body of Christ for the work of ministry! The church needs to recapture the power, giftedness and biblical assignment of all the members of the church (clergy - laity, old - young, male - female, cf. Joel 2:28 quoted in Peter's Pentecost sermon in Acts 2). Every Christian is a full-time, God-called, God-gifted minister.

The term "equip" means to cause something to be ready for its assigned purpose. It is used of:

1. broken limbs being healed and made useful again

2. torn fishing nets being mended and thereby able to catch fish

3. ships being fitted with ropes and sails and tacked for sea

4. chicks who had grown large enough to be taken to market

Also, notice the goal is not that only some believers became mature, but all (cf. Eph. 4:13). For "saints"

The gifts are given to every believer for the common good (cf. 1 Cor. 12:7,11). Every believer is a called, gifted, full-time minister of Christ. Not all are "vocational" ministers, but all are servants. The modern church is crippled by (1) a clergy/laity mentality and (2) the concept of salvation as a product instead of a relational process of servanthood!!!

"to the building up of the body of Christ" Paul mixes his building metaphor (cf. Eph. 2:20-27) with his body metaphor (cf. Eph. 1:23; 4:12; 5:30). Believers are gifted for the common good, not for individual acclaim (1 Cor. 12:7). The focus is not on the individual but on the body (cf. Eph. 4:4-6). Spiritual gifts are servant towels, not merit badges! Believers are worker bees!

4:13 "until we all attain" This is an Aorist active subjunctive which denotes an aspect of contingency. It literally means "to arrive at a destination." Note that "all" speaks of our corporate responsibility. Notice the three aspects of maturity mentioned: (1) unity of the faith; (2) knowledge of the Son of God; unto a (3) Christlike maturity. Also, notice the goal is not that some mature, but all!

"the knowledge" This is the compound Greek term (epiginōskō), which implies a full experiential knowledge. This was an obvious rejection of the Gnostic false teachers' emphasis on secret, exclusive knowledge. The believers' knowledge is complete in Christ. This may be a play on the Hebrew concept of "know" as personal relationship (cf. Gen. 4:1; Jer. 1:5; Phil. 3:8,10) versus the Greek concept known as cognitive information. Both are needed for a mature Christianity.

"mature man" This is in contrast to "children" of verse 14. The Greek root (telos) means "complete," "fully equipped," not sinless or perfect (KJV).

4:14 "as a result, we are no longer to be children" This implies that many believers were saved but immature (cf. 1 Cor. 3:1-3; Heb. 5:11-14). They still did not sense the necessary submission and dedication needed to be servant ministers. Believers must die to self and be alive to God (cf. Rom. 6:1-14; 2 Cor. 5:14-15; Gal. 2:20; 1 John 3:16).
 

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He hasn’t failed me. I thank God often for him. I was always in such confusion before he helped me. And how could I not have been given all the shrieking of Babel?
He has failed you.

If you have been sanctified. And born again, and you have never walked in the spirit. Then Both God and Epi has failed you

Please wake up..

Epi may make you real good. And give you answers you think make sense. But you have no walk with God as you claim after years. Then you need to question everything he has taught you.
 

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Biblical teaching that you don't approve of. Who are you following really? Think about it.
Not you thats for sure

You bring people to God who never walk with the spirit..

thats not the sign of a prophet. Prophets bring people to God, they have power. They grow a church and that church spreads Throughout the land.

They don’t lead small home groups with a powerless gospel
 

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Jesus was exaggerating about how difficult it was to enter the kingdom walk? Every believer? That's the popular mantra. No big deal...

So you don't like Paul's instructions on how we are to meet. And you don't think Jesus was being honest about the availability of the higher walk? ???
You do not even follow Pauls instructions.. Have you read Timothy, Who he placed as an elder over the church of Ephesus? Timothy was no prophet!
 

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Jesus was exaggerating about how difficult it was to enter the kingdom walk? Every believer? That's the popular mantra. No big deal...

So you don't like Paul's instructions on how we are to meet. And you don't think Jesus was being honest about the availability of the higher walk? ???
Notice how deceptive this so called "prophet" is.

Jesus never said it was hard to enter the kingdom WALK Jesus said it was hard to enter the kingdom.

He also said narrow is the gate and few there are to enter it.



 
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