Is the last antichrist beast a dead man made alive again?

robert derrick · Mar 22, 2023

ewq1938 said:
The second beast is a him. The first beast is an empire of smaller kingdoms located within 7 mountains.

The first best is the one with number of man, that the second beast false prophet causes to receive.

ewq1938 said:
Wrong. Nations are sometimes symbolized as living beasts. See Daniel 7.

Nations, nor any beast representing kingdoms as in Dan 2, are ever called a him. The whole image of a man has 'his' parts, but kingdoms are not referred to as a man nor an him.

The first beast is taken with the false prophet and they 'both' are cast into the LOF.

Two men. No nation kingdom is cast into the LOF before the slaughter of the armies of the kingdom.

They are both men.

ewq1938 · Mar 22, 2023

robert derrick said:
The first best is the one with number of man, that the second beast false prophet causes to receive.

The 666 is the number of the second beast's name, his mark that he gives to people.

robert derrick said:
Nations, nor any beast representing kingdoms as in Dan 2, are ever called a him. The whole image of a man has 'his' parts, but kingdoms are not referred to as a man nor an him.

"him" is a translation choice based on the noun being in the masculine form. It does not automatically mean the noun was a person.

Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

"his nails" does not make the 4th beast a person.

robert derrick said:
The first beast is taken with the false prophet and they 'both' are cast into the LOF.

Two men. No nation kingdom is cast into the LOF before the slaughter of the armies of the kingdom.

They are both men.

No, one is a kingdom and the other is a man. The destruction of that kingdom by fire is also seen here:

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

"his body" also does not make this beast a man.

Davy · Mar 23, 2023

robert derrick said:
I teach myself from Scripture alone, and only agree with those I confirm for myself is Scriptural truth.

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Well, I did not make up the idea of the "seven heads" being "seven mountains", that helps reveal the first beast mention of Rev.13:1 that comes up out of the 'sea' is about a 'beast kingdom', and not the Antichrist.

Even in Rev.17:15, Jesus shows us that "waters" represent nations, multitudes, peoples, and tongues. That links to that 1st beast coming up out of the "sea".

And in contrast to that, the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11, which IS... about the singular Antichrist that is to come working miracles to deceive, instead comes up out of the "earth". And Lord Jesus revealed in His Revelation more than once that the beast that comes up out of the earth is pointing to the beast that comes up out of the bottomless pit, which is Satan himself (see Rev.9:1, Rev.9:11; Rev.11:7; Rev.17:8).

So not only did our Lord Jesus reveal that the coming 2nd beast will be the beast that ascends up out of the bottomless pit, He also revealed by that it will be Satan himself as the singular coming Antichrist for the end.

Truth7t7 · Mar 23, 2023

robert derrick said:
Does anyone have any Scripture plainly showing that 1st beast cannot be a long-dead man? That the Lord would never bring back to life? To have a wicked corrupter of souls live again in the flesh?

Scripture teaches that man dies once and after this is the final judgment

Hebrews 9:27KJV
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Truth7t7 · Mar 23, 2023

Davy said:
Well, I did not make up the idea of the "seven heads" being "seven mountains", that helps reveal the first beast mention of Rev.13:1 that comes up out of the 'sea' is about a 'beast kingdom', and not the Antichrist.

Even in Rev.17:15, Jesus shows us that "waters" represent nations, multitudes, peoples, and tongues. That links to that 1st beast coming up out of the "sea".

And in contrast to that, the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11, which IS... about the singular Antichrist that is to come working miracles to deceive, instead comes up out of the "earth". And Lord Jesus revealed in His Revelation more than once that the beast that comes up out of the earth is pointing to the beast that comes up out of the bottomless pit, which is Satan himself (see Rev.9:1, Rev.9:11; Rev.11:7; Rev.17:8).

So not only did our Lord Jesus reveal that the coming 2nd beast will be the beast that ascends up out of the bottomless pit, He also revealed by that it will be Satan himself as the singular coming Antichrist for the end.

You claims of a (Beast Kingdom) and (Satan) are "False"

Scripture below clearly teaches (The Beast) and (The False Prophet) will have living bodies that are cast "Living" into the lake of fire

First Person Pronoun's: He, His, Him

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

n2thelight · Mar 23, 2023

robert derrick said:
Someone, called The Light, has suggested evidence from Scripture and recent past discoveries, that the antichrist beast of Rev 13, is Nimrod-Gilgamesh, made alive again by the Lord, like the dead body that touched the bones of the prophet, and Lazarus coming out of the grave.

At first, I thought it was at least a fun suggestion, while going about thinking to show it not possible. While I'm not convinced by archeological claims, I am seeing the sense of it in prophecy of Scripture.

The main thing is, I see no Scriptural proof of why not. Nothing in Scripture says that the Lord cannot bring any dead man back to life, based upon how long the body has been in the grave.

And though it is not the resurrection of the dead, which begins with the body of Abel, it still shows no time limit of bodily decay. In fact, Jesus waited four days purposely to show the body of Lazarus was indeed dead, and not just in some sort of Jewish soul-hoovering funk.

Does anyone have any Scripture plainly showing that 1st beast cannot be a long-dead man? That the Lord would never bring back to life? To have a wicked corrupter of souls live again in the flesh?

The first beast is a political system, the 2nd beast is satan himself, live and in person

Revelation 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

This beast coming up out of the earth looks like a Lamb [Jesus Christ], yet he speaks like a dragon; because he is the dragon [Satan]. He claims to be Jesus, and most Christians will believe him.

Revelation 13:12 "And he exerciseth all the power [authority] of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

Satan [the Antichrist] uses all the power and authority he has, because it is given to him by God. God allowed the "one worldism" to take place, because it is in God's plan. He gave us that plan, and that is what we are studying now. It is Satan that will cause the wounded political beast, "one world system" to come back together after it falls apart. Then that system, and all the people on the face of the earth will worship Satan. All, except the elect of God, and those sealed in their minds.

ewq1938 · Mar 23, 2023

n2thelight said:
The first beast is a political system, the 2nd beast is satan himself, live and in person

How do you explain that that the 1st and 2nd beasts are cast into the LOF but satan is imprisoned in the pit?

n2thelight · Mar 24, 2023

ewq1938 said:
How do you explain that that the 1st and 2nd beasts are cast into the LOF but satan is imprisoned in the pit?

It's the roles that he (satan) plays

revelation13 (theseason.org)

robert derrick · Mar 24, 2023

ewq1938 said:
The 666 is the number of the second beast's name, his mark that he gives to people.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

You should know by now I only teach for certain what is written in Scripture. Otherwise, I make it clear it is only my opinion about something unproven.

ewq1938 said:
"him" is a translation choice based on the noun being in the masculine form. It does not automatically mean the noun was a person.

True, as with the Holy Ghost. But, the context makes the translation clear: Neither a kingdom, nation, nor system is cast into the LOF with the false prophet.

And Rev 13 confirms his number is that of a man, which cannot be an it: Anthropos.

ewq1938 said:
Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

"his nails" does not make the 4th beast a person.

Nor is his number that of a man. And so the 4th beast, if not a man, cannot be the first beast of Rev 13.

ewq1938 said:
No, one is a kingdom and the other is a man. The destruction of that kingdom by fire is also seen here:

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

"his body" also does not make this beast a man.

And it certain not the first beast and man cast alive into the LOF.

There are some who try to say Scripture contradicts itself, by making the one in Dan 7 to be the one in Rev 19.

I'm not sure, but I think one of them was you. Once anyone begins to try and prove Scripture contradicts itself in any way, then they disqualify themselves has an honest believer and teach all Scriptures as being the written words of God.

It's doesn't mean they don't believe Jesus is the Christ and Lord and God, but they will certainly teach some false doctrine for that of Christ.

robert derrick · Mar 24, 2023

Davy said:
Well, I did not make up the idea of the "seven heads" being "seven mountains", that helps reveal the first beast mention of Rev.13:1 that comes up out of the 'sea' is about a 'beast kingdom', and not the Antichrist.

As I said, I never teach anything for certain, unless I see it plainly written in Scripture as true.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The whole purpose of this verse is to show the wisdom of knowing, that first beast of Rev 13 is a man.

And so, all interpretations about the prophecy of that first beast, must be as that of a man.

I also take all words of Scripture by their plain meaning, exactly as it says. I don't do like others and dismiss or change them, in order to keep my own ideas.

Now, if anyone can show how that beast's number can be that of a man, but the beast is not a man himself, then I'd be glad to hear it.

However, that can only be done by reasonable argument and example of Scripture elsewhere to show it. Just saying it isn't possible, because of someone's preconcluded interpretation of that beast as not being a man, nly proves the interpretation is not from all Scripture, but only from someone's own mind.

And Moses said, Hereby ye shall know that the LORD hath sent me to do all these works; for I have not done them of mine own mind.

Davy said:
Even in Rev.17:15, Jesus shows us that "waters" represent nations, multitudes, peoples, and tongues. That links to that 1st beast coming up out of the "sea".

It would appear to be only, but once again sticking with what is written only, shows the true interpretation of the prophecy:

It is only the woman, that is said to sit upon those waters of peoples, and she is that great city of abomination, which is earthly Jerusalem, that is spiritually Sodom and Egypt.

When she is seen sitting on the scarlet beast, it is of a different scene in the wilderness. And so that scarlet beast seen only in the wilderness, and does ascend from the bottomless pit.

If it can be proven that scarlett beast is the first beast of Rev 13, then I believe that would prove the beast is a man made alive again from the grave by the Lord, for the express purpose of receiving Satan with a whole heart, as the last and greatest of all false apostles and christs ever come on earth.

Davy said:
And in contrast to that, the 2nd beast of Rev.13:11, which IS...

Later called the false prophet of the first beast: 2 men.

robert derrick · Mar 24, 2023

Davy said:
about the singular Antichrist that is to come working miracles to deceive, instead comes up out of the "earth". And Lord Jesus revealed in His Revelation more than once that the beast that comes up out of the earth is pointing to the beast that comes up out of the bottomless pit, which is Satan himself (see Rev.9:1, Rev.9:11; Rev.11:7; Rev.17:8).

This is a only by a preconcluded interpretation, that does not take all Scripture into account.

While all false prophets and apostles are made by Satan, Satan is never made a man in Scripture, nor a false prophet and apostle.

He can enter into betrayers of Christ, but not be the man himself. He is the first angel betraying God. Angels can be given the shapes of men temporarily, and can enter into men temporarily, but only Christ became a man on earth from the womb.

Neither Satan, nor any angel is allowed by God, to become a man of flesh and blood. Remember, neither Satan, nor any ange can do anything of his own will alone, but only what is allowed by God. He may be given free reign at times to walk up and down the earth, but not to become a man born of flesh and blood, nor a man shaped from the dust of the earth as Adam. It's is only God that creates and makes anything:

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Christ can make men alive again from the womb, to continue living naturally in flesh and blood, but no Scripture says He ever makes angels into men with natural mortal bodies. And it can be shown, that Satan thinks it beneath him to become a little lower than the angels by taking on himself flesh and blood, as Jesus did. His pride would not want that. It's also why he despises Jesus Christ the Word of God become a man.

And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

The god of this world does not want to become a man, but to be God Himself.

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

I believe the zeal of that first beast and man, may well be from fires of hell, because he may have been literally already been there, And when he speaks with a tongue from hell, he will certainly mean it:

And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

If true, then when that last great false apostle and antichrist says he is Christ risen from the dead and come again in the flesh, then he will be the one with the most creds to lie about it ever.

And if it's true that the first beast and scarlet beast are the same man, then I say it proves he is a false dead prophet now made alive again on earth to be the last false apostle. I believe that would be Korah, who is shown to be the first false prophet among the children of Israel, defying the rule and law of God by Moses. Coming from hell itself, he would have no problem defying the rule and law of God by Jesus Christ.

robert derrick · Mar 24, 2023

Truth7t7 said:
Scripture teaches that man dies once and after this is the final judgment

Hebrews 9:27KJV
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

And also shows many have been raised from the grave by the Lord, to live again a natural life on earth.

The man that touched the prophet's bones, Lazarus, and many OT saints at His death, who went on as witnesses in Jeruslaem and round about. They were no doubt many of the 120 walking with the Lord after His resurrection.

It's not debatable, that dead men can be made to live again on earth by the Lord. And the OT saints that did live again, have no timeline of death, as with Lazarus.

It's just a question whether the Lord does so to become the last AC beast on earth.

robert derrick · Mar 24, 2023

n2thelight said:
The first beast is a political system, the 2nd beast is satan himself, live and in person

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The first beast, he be a man, and it's wise to believe it.

Unless someone can show from Scripture, how the number of a man, does not make him a man, then he be a man. And it is wise to know him when seeing him, and flee from his lying warfare.

I have no fear of a system, because there is no such thing as a system, nor gvt, nor bureaucracy, without men and women running it. No AI is self-governing with it's own made program.

n2thelight said:
Revelation 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

This beast coming up out of the earth looks like a Lamb [Jesus Christ], yet he speaks like a dragon; because he is the dragon [Satan]. He claims to be Jesus, and most Christians will believe him.

He prophesies to make the first beast Christ coming again in the flesh.

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

His lamb-like two horns are tools of false prophecy and apostleship of Christ.

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

All antichrists are false prophets, and having the spirit of the devil, but are not the devil himself.

He can transform himself into an angel of light, not a man of sin.

n2thelight said:
Revelation 13:12 "And he exerciseth all the power [authority] of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

Satan [the Antichrist] uses all the power and authority he has, because it is given to him by God. God allowed the "one worldism" to take place, because it is in God's plan. He gave us that plan, and that is what we are studying now. It is Satan that will cause the wounded political beast, "one world system" to come back together after it falls apart. Then that system, and all the people on the face of the earth will worship Satan. All, except the elect of God, and those sealed in their minds.

Which power is given by the Dragon. Satan has no power to make himself a man,

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Satan is not the maker of anything, not his sinful children from the womb, nor himself to be made a man, Which I wouldn't think he wants to be in the first place, since he still wants to be God on the throne.

The god of this world does not become a man, as the God of Israel does, but he will have the perfect tool of a man to enter into, so as to make him his best false christ ever seen on earth.

Stephen King made him the devil, in The Stand. Not God.

ewq1938 · Mar 24, 2023

robert derrick said:
The whole purpose of this verse is to show the wisdom of knowing, that first beast of Rev 13 is a man.

And so, all interpretations about the prophecy of that first beast, must be as that of a man.

No, the first beast is a ten horned/kingdomed empire ruled by the second beast, a man. The same ten horned beast is this global empire in Daniel as well.

robert derrick said:
Now, if anyone can show how that beast's number can be that of a man, but the beast is not a man himself, then I'd be glad to hear it.

Obviously there are two beasts and you are confusing them. One beast is a kingdom/empire and one is a man who rules that empire. It's the same in Daniel except there is only one beast, and the man who comes to rule the empire beast is a little horn. The FP also has two little horns so that is an automatic link between FP and little horn...same person.

robert derrick said:
Later called the false prophet of the first beast: 2 men.

The false prophet is not the "false prophets". One man. No writer of scripture, no prophet ever said the AC has a second in command, never said "two men". Did Paul speak of the man of sin AND some other guy?? No.

robert derrick · Mar 24, 2023

ewq1938 said:
The false prophet is not the "false prophets". One man. No writer of scripture, no prophet ever said the AC has a second in command, never said "two men". Did Paul speak of the man of sin AND some other guy?? No.

Rev 13 and 17 do.

You're making the same mistake of amils, that demand all prophecy of the Lord's Millenniums be found in only one are of Scripture: Rev 20.

robert derrick · Mar 24, 2023

ewq1938 said:
Obviously there are two beasts and you are confusing them. One beast is a kingdom/empire and one is a man who rules that empire. It's the same in Daniel except there is only one beast, and the man who comes to rule the empire beast is a little horn. The FP also has two little horns so that is an automatic link between FP and little horn...same person.

As I said, just stating your own personal prophecy, is not an argument for saying the number of a man, does not mean he is a man.

And so, the beast with the number of a man, is a still a man.

ewq1938 · Mar 24, 2023

robert derrick said:
As I said, just stating your own personal prophecy, is not an argument for saying the number of a man, does not mean he is a man.

And so, the beast with the number of a man, is a still a man.

Yes he is a man, and the first beast is an empire that man will rule over.

ewq1938 · Mar 24, 2023

robert derrick said:
Rev 13 and 17 do.

No. There is only one false prophet in Revelation, the second beast.

Davy · Mar 25, 2023

robert derrick said:
As I said, I never teach anything for certain, unless I see it plainly written in Scripture as true.

Try again, because the coming Antichrist person DOES NOT HAVE "SEVEN HEADS", etc. Or maybe you actually believe God creates monsters with seven heads in His creation? To believe such an idea like that reveals a Disney type fantasy mentality, and not one of adult maturity in understanding the Scriptures.

Real Wisdom in God's Word means understanding HOW God uses symbols and allegories from real nature that He created. So there could never be an actual monster that literally comes up out of the sea having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. We MUST also interpret those symbols per OTHER SCRIPTURE WITNESSES He gave to come to the proper understanding of HOW He is using them there in Revelation 13. For example, there's at least TWO OTHER SCRIPTURE WITNESSES where He showed the "ten horns" represent TEN KINGS. And since Rev.17 also reveals that the "seven heads" represent SEVEN MOUNTAINS, that means seven geographical areas on earth. The "seven mountains" of Rev.17 is an EXPLANATION of the meaning of the "seven heads" symbol, NOT just another symbol.

Davy · Mar 25, 2023

robert derrick said:
This is a only by a preconcluded interpretation, that does not take all Scripture into account.

While all false prophets and apostles are made by Satan, Satan is never made a man in Scripture, nor a false prophet and apostle.

You just revealed YOUR LACK OF BIBLE STUDY IN THE OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS...

Isa 14:12-17
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?"
KJV

Do you see there in verse 16 that GOD is calling Lucifer a "man"? You should, as that is direct Biblical proof that Lucifer ALSO has the image of a man!!

So apparently, YOU HAVE NOT EVEN READ GENESIS 1:26-27 WHERE GOD DECLARES HE MADE FLESH MAN IN HIS IMAGE LIKENESS AND OF THE ANGELS, which is that of the image of man!

YEAH! GOD and the angels LOOK LIKE US, with the image of man!!! That image of man originates from God's OWN Image Likeness!

Have you not read...

Heb 13:2
2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
KJV

I don't know what FALSE JEW keeps pushing the completely stupid and idiotic idea that the image of man only began with the flesh creation of man, but they simply show their complete lack understanding the Scriptures of God's Word, even in the VERY FIRST CHAPTER OF THE BIBLE!

Is the last antichrist beast a dead man made alive again?

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