Do We as Christians Keep the Mosaic Law?

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Why is it that no one is able to separate the moral law from the ceremonial and the sacrifical as all are separate and given at different times. The cerimonial law started when Adam sinned and God Made skins for them to wear. Where did those skins come from? An animal had to be killed in order for them to have coverings for them selves. This is just part of the ceremonial law as in it sacrifices had to be made for every day and every Festival extra sacrifices had to be made. No, they are not listed there, but they are listed never the less in Exodus long before the sacrifical law is introduced as is the moral law. All three laws of God are listed in Exodus, but at different places. lumping them all together is a mistake and the reason that they are said to all have been hung on the cross, but Christ states differently in Matthew 5:17-18, as long as it is read in context.
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Go ahead and tell us which law we need to keep. Please use scripture.

My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 1 John 2:1

You see the Law has changed, because the priesthood has changed. My High Priest is not from the tribe of Levi, He is after the order of Melchizedek. He doesn't have to sacrifice animals on behalf of Himself because He has never sinned, rather he offered Himself as a once and for all final sacrifice for my sins. If I do sin, He is also my Advocate who pleads my case with His Father who is also my Father.

Thats probably the most important change in the priesthood and the Law.

For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.1 John 1:9


I am sorry brother but there just isn't any animal sacrifices in Christianity.


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'I am sorry brother but there just isn't any animal sacrifices in Christianity' He didn't say that there are. He said the opposite.
 

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'I am sorry brother but there just isn't any animal sacrifices in Christianity' He didn't say that there are. He said the opposite.

Still waiting to hear which parts of Moses Law we, as Christians are to keep. Please list with scripture
 

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Hi JLB,

Before I go to the trouble of finding scripture for you, please could you comment on the following verses and their application since Pentecost?

1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and [of] a good conscience, and [of] faith unfeigned: 6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8 But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.


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Hi JLB,

Before I go to the trouble of finding scripture for you, please could you comment on the following verses and their application since Pentecost?

1 Timothy 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and [of] a good conscience, and [of] faith unfeigned: 6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8 But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.


Many thanks.

8 But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law...

The Law was designed by God as a Tutor to bring lawless people to Christ.

The great Evangelist Charles Finney said that in his sermons to the lost he would bring the full weight of the law to bear on the unsaved until they would come screaming under conviction to the altar crying out for mercy, in deep repentance turning to The Savior.

That would me my comment on a lawful use of The Law..

My comment on an UNLAWFUL use of The Law, would be to try and convince Christians who have been saved by grace, to keep ANY part of the Law.

Now, please list for me the parts of Moses Law that we as Christians are to keep.


Thanks, JLB
 

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Being saved by grace enables us to live a godly life, with the Spirit's help, and if any man sin, 'we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous'. Christ has made an end of sacrifice for sin, but He hasn't made an end of 'law' - as it is to be written in our hearts and our minds are to be renewed. That means we will be keeping many significant parts of the law, such as those mentioned by Jesus (specifically), and we will not committing the 'sins' named in the Mosaic law (which are also listed as sins by the New Testament writers) if we are led by the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:16).

You may not think of this as 'keeping the law', but how can it not be? And we can, with the help of the Holy Spirit . We have the power to resist sin - the definition of sin has not changed, even though the priesthood has changed. What changed with the New Covenant is how sin is remedied. There is still right and wrong, and Christians are supposed to be more (not less) sensitive to doing right and avoiding wrong because they are saved.

If by 'keeping the law' you have in mind all the punishments, ritual cleansings and sacrifices, clearly, Jesus dealt with this through His death.

I think you know it would take quite a while to find all the verses in the Pentateuch which are mirrored in the NT, with respect to individual prohibitions, and commands. And I realise there were changes made during Jesus' earthly ministry, one of the most notable being with regard to grounds for divorce. But these were not the only ones; we see Jesus seeming to break the Sabbath, and overriding certain exclusions which had applied under the Old Covenant.

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men [and] brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;

(Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.)



Yes, I'm dragging my feet, because I hope I've made it clearer what I'm getting at. There is also this verse which is rolled out by those who want to keep the Sabbath, as well as other detailed food 'laws', which, they say, proves that 'the law' was given before Moses and all that Moses did was write it down.

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
 

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My comment on an UNLAWFUL use of The Law, would be to try and convince Christians who have been saved by grace, to keep ANY part of the Law.

Now, please list for me the parts of Moses Law that we as Christians are to keep.


Please tell me that you are not teaching people to keep the law of Moses, yet you are not able to teach them which Laws that is.






Thanks, JLB

17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ...

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come...


Do you know what the law was added to?
 

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[sub]Dragonfly, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,[/sub]

[sub]you said...I think you know it would take quite a while to find all the verses in the Pentateuch which are mirrored in the NT, with respect to individual prohibitions, and commands. And I realise there were changes made during Jesus' earthly ministry, one of the most notable being with regard to grounds for divorce. But these were not the only ones; we see Jesus seeming to break the Sabbath, and overriding certain exclusions which had applied under the Old Covenant.[/sub]
[sub]My observation--and it is a difficult one for many yet goes like this:[/sub]

[sub]Jesus never ever taught anything new or different in the gospels when it comes to the MOSAIC LAW. What Jesus did do was to use the Mosaic law as it had been given to the jews at mt. sinai to bring them back to God.[/sub]
[sub]The jews had added some 611 man made scribal laws and had considered those additional law as coming from God. God was not very happy with them over this.[/sub]
[sub]What we really need to consider is that who has the authority to divide God's covenants. If it is Man, then the RCC did a number on all of us in 1486 ad.[/sub]
[sub]And, many of our divisions and misunderstandings and mis applications of the texts can be laid directly at their door.[/sub]
[sub]So consider "IF" Jesus had changed or made new law concerning the MDR issue which by the way was never given to anyone but the Jewish community at mt. Sinai and it ended at the cross in order to teach Matt 19:9 it would be Old Testament Mosaic law.[/sub]
[sub]One can read about this here-- http://rgfheart.com/abs[/sub]

[sub]Now, if one can understand Gregory the First--490-509AD and his question of "who has the authority over the people, the RCC or the Civil Government and understand that at the council of Trent the RCC won that battle.[/sub]
[sub]more here http://rgfheart.com/abs/marr/c/[/sub]

[sub]What the RCC has done to cause mischief here is to take away the authority of marriages from the civil government and give it to themselves.[/sub]
[sub]As time goes on--churches are still making that mistake--[/sub]

[sub]God rules over everything--God rules through the civil government over marriages-something we are only now beginning to get a glimmer about..[/sub]

[sub]Richard 79408[/sub]
 

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Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

It is difficult to take something one has been taught and then learn that it is not as correct as it needs to be. Many are quick to tell others that the Mosaic law is gone--yet end up going back to the Mosaic law in the matters of marriage, divorce and remarriage.

The traditional view found fertile ground in 590-604 AD when Gregory the First--by the way did you know that this man for a while was in charge of the Roman Army in his area? He began by asking who has the authority over the newly conqueored people, civil government or the Church.

Just a bout a thousand years later in the mid 1550's the RCC won that battle. By the way the RCC does not give divorces. They have effectively used the traditional view for the last 500 plus years to put money in their organization.

You can test this very easily--just talk to a priest about getting a divorce..

Richard 79408
 

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the law is for those that walk in the flesh according to romans. those that walk in the spirit are exempt from the law. as paul said just because we are exempt from the law does not mean we can go out and sin. what is being meant here is that those that walk according to the flesh are slaves to the power of sin. those that walk according to the spirit are free from sin's power. in other words you can be a christian and still be under the law. being saved gives you the freedom to choose whether we walk after the flesh or after the spirit. many christians believe that being saved automatically gives us grace which is unscriptural. in order to receive grace there are prerequisites that are required. every promise of God has at least one requirement necessary in order to to able to receive them.

i hope this helps clarify the issue.

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As a newbie I hope you don't mind me joining in? Just to say the Law of God by which I mean the law received on Mt. Sinai has never been abolished and Jesus added over thirty new commandments of his own which can be found mainly in the Sermon on the Mount and they include such things as love of neighbour, to go the extra mile, not to hide our light under a bushel, "Ye must be born again" etc,. and the list is quite a long one.

The 613 man-made Mitzvah laws never belonged to God's divine law and as we know Jesus upset the Pharisees when in their eyes he broke some of them. All this is well known, where the confusion comes in is when Jesus said He came not to destroy the Law or the prophets but to fulfil.

When Jesus said this he was using a familiar phrase that was easily understood in Biblical days. What happened is that during rabbinical discussions when a rabbi felt that another colleague was wrong he would say "You are destroying the law" but other rabbi's who felt he was correctly interpreting Scripture would say he was "fulfilling the Law" i.e. he was correct and of course Jesus was always correct in his teaching so therefore he fulfilled the law.

Source Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus (Yahshua) by Bivin and Blizzard.
 

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Jehovah has some interesting comments regarding the issue as stated in Isaiah 56... For thus says the LORD: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. "And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant--
(Isa 56:4-6 ESV)

Jehovah here is talking about foreigner that come to the LORD at the end of this age, not sometime in the past.

In Yeshua Messiah,

Bob
 

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Notice the reference to sons and daughters which a eunuch can never have, but he can have everlasting life which applies equally to foreigners who join themselves to the Lord. This is a fine example in the Tanakh of God's everlasting salvation.

Jehovah has some interesting comments regarding the issue as stated in Isaiah 56... For thus says the LORD: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. "And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant--
(Isa 56:4-6 ESV)

Jehovah here is talking about foreigner that come to the LORD at the end of this age, not sometime in the past.

In Yeshua Messiah,

Bob
 

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I'm 58 years old and came to Christ in the early 1980's, so I'm well aware of all possible objections to what I am going to write.

We've all been taught a "MILK" type of devotion, but now let me show you a more excellent (better) type of devotion based on "solid food" and the "GREATEST of these".

1 Corinthians 12:31 "the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way".

1 Corinthians 13:13 "So faith, hope, love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love".

1 Corin. 3:2 "I fed you with milk, not solid food".
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ALL spiritual law is dead, gone, and buried (unless you want to consider "LIBERTY" a "LAW", spiritual law is now completely irrelevant to devotion).

James 2:12
"So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under.....the LAW OF LIBERTY".

Mosaic law (what he brought down from the mountain PLUS the rules/ordinances of his own)
was ABOLISHED.

Ephesians 2:15 "by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances....".

Now, no longer can anyone violate ("SIN" against) the law that Moses laid down (neither can we "repent" from it......LOGICAL??...YES it is logical).

For us, "sin" is no longer a spiritually relevant concept at all. The word and concept are simply
OBSOLETE to us (the world is simply hung up on it as a self persecution metaphor for "wrongdoing").

There is no text/guidelines/obligations/requirements to this LIBERTY "law" in James 1:25 and 2:12 (actually, to us it is a conflict in terms, oxymoron , how can LIBERTY be a LAW?....only God can express His love for us in this way).......but neither is it an OPTION for the believers WHO CHOOSE TO "look" to PERFECTION.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=law+of+liberty&t=RSV&sf=5

"when the perfect comes, the imperfect shall PASS AWAY" (1 Corin. 13:10).

Even when John was preaching, it was "men of violence" who FORCED a 'heavenly' lifestyle upon themselves by using books and COMMANDS....

Matthew 11:12 "and men of violence take it by force".

.....but God doesn't want us to have to be COMMANDED to do goodness, He wants us to be "LOVERS OF GOODNESS".

Titus 1:8 "lover of goodness, master of himself"......(God wants to be "Abba Father" to each of us, not "master").

The crucifixion has been accomplished/done, so for our devotion/worship, we must move on to the "better things".

Hebrews 6:10 "better things that belong to salvation".

We should longer have a REPENTANCE FOUNDATION,....NOW our ONLY foundation must be Jesus Himself.

It is good and wise (the BEGINNING of wisdom) to believe that God exists, but if you have a sincere heart for God (like King David did), then you also want to believe that God is GOOD
(and that He is a REWARDER, not a PUNISHER). For that reason, anyone who wants
to "DRAW NEAR" to God must believe TWO THINGS...

Hebrews 11:6 "that He exists" AND that "He REWARDS those who SEEK HIM" and His REAL truth (draw near).

This is called a "faith for faith".

Romans 1:17 "the righteousness of God is revealed through faith for faith".

Many believers simply want to be "saints" and have only their flesh purified, but we should 'aim for the stars' and also have our conscience purified by learning from the Holy Spirit to always do things right so that our conscience will be clear everyday (so that we can be a "SON OF GOD")....

Romans 8:15 "For you did not receive the spirit slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the spirit of sonship. When we cry, "Abba! Father!".

Hebrews 9:14
"the eternal Spirit........purify your conscience".

.......the Jews used to perform sacrifices and make offerings to God in order to be "purified", but they had to repeat the rituals every year because their purification was not "ETERNAL" purification, ours is. Jesus came in the "fulness of time (the completion and END of "time). He ended the age of time and began the age of ETERNITY (this is why God's Holy Spirit is called the "eternal spirit" and is "everlasting purification").

In order for a believer to have their "flesh purified", they only have to let the BLOOD that Jesus shed cover their violations of 'Moses law'.....(but remember that Jesus also shed WATER while on the cross).
If we choose to let our heart actually 'FEEL' sentiment and be a 'gentle heart' (like the woman who wiped Jesus's feet with her "living water"), we will "neither thirst" (many believers simply
"hunger").
John 7:38.....TRUE DEVOTION/worship)...."He who believes in me, as the scripture has said, 'Out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water.'"
Revelation 7:16 "They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more".
Yes, the "more excellent" devotion is dependent on having a "heart of flesh" (as opposed to a "heart of stone") that can FEEL sentiment (tears of sorrow, "sorrow" is the precursor of love) like the maiden who sought whom her SOUL loves...
Song of Solomon 3:3......(also called Song of Songs)
"I will seek whom MY SOUL loves".
Before the Council of Jerusalem (around 50 A.D.), there was no such thing as a "Christian".
Acts 11:26
"and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called....Christians".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_at_Antioch
The Jews of Jesus's time that came to accept Jesus as the promised Messiah (Judaizers) wanted to also still follow MOSAIC LAW (this was referred to as "circumcision")......They no longer wanted the original name of the true devotion to Jesus (called "the Way").
Acts 9:2 "if he found any belonging to the Way".
Acts 19:9 "but when some were stubborn and disbelieved, speaking evil of the Way".
Learn "solid food" from God's spirit instead of commentary books (1 Corinthians 2:10).

Hebrews 6:1 "Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity,
not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God".


.....but, if you'd rather deny what The Lord really did put in scripture, simply continue to believe all the lies that man has taught you and every other believer for centuries. The sixth day creation (man) has always loved learning about the three aspects/dispensations of God as though man himself is divine and should be glorified at the pulpit, etc. (we are our own '3 sixes' stumbling block, we have not learned to be a '7th day creation' "living breathing soul" (restored to the way Adam was before the fall in Eden).

Revelation 13:18 "it is a MAN'S number".

...love God as ABBA FATHER, not MASTER and discover the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10).

All verses are from the RSV.
 

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As a newbie I hope you don't mind me joining in? Just to say the Law of God by which I mean the law received on Mt. Sinai has never been abolished and Jesus added over thirty new commandments of his own which can be found mainly in the Sermon on the Mount and they include such things as love of neighbour, to go the extra mile, not to hide our light under a bushel, "Ye must be born again" etc,. and the list is quite a long one.

The 613 man-made Mitzvah laws never belonged to God's divine law and as we know Jesus upset the Pharisees when in their eyes he broke some of them. All this is well known, where the confusion comes in is when Jesus said He came not to destroy the Law or the prophets but to fulfil.

When Jesus said this he was using a familiar phrase that was easily understood in Biblical days. What happened is that during rabbinical discussions when a rabbi felt that another colleague was wrong he would say "You are destroying the law" but other rabbi's who felt he was correctly interpreting Scripture would say he was "fulfilling the Law" i.e. he was correct and of course Jesus was always correct in his teaching so therefore he fulfilled the law.

Source Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus (Yahshua) by Bivin and Blizzard.

i want to thank you for the information. that was new to me. i will have to read this book and see what it says. thanks again

ps thisistheendtimes
you did a good job explaining your point. i am impressed. not many can do what you just did by talking about and being able to explain it in an understandable way. i may not agree with all your points but well done.

God bless
 

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i want to thank you for the information. that was new to me. i will have to read this book and see what it says. thanks again

ps thisistheendtimes
you did a good job explaining your point. i am impressed. not many can do what you just did by talking about and being able to explain it in an understandable way. i may not agree with all your points but well done.

God bless

Thank you. :)

It sounds to me when I read your previous post that you are talking about the liberty we have in the knowledge of sins forgiven which is echoed in Charles Wesley's great hymn "And Can It Be That I Should Gain" in which he writes “My chains fell off, my heart was free, I rose, went forth, and followed thee.”

But of course freedom from the law by which we are judged in no wise means freedom to lie, steal or murder etc. but rather that we are free from the bondage of sin and Satan's grasp our our life? What do you think?

Long my imprisoned spirit lay,
Fast bound in sin and nature's night;
Thine eye diffused a quick'ning ray,
I woke, the dungeon flamed with light:
My chains fell off, my heart was free,
I rose, went forth, and followed thee.

http://www.icr.org/article/4713/
 

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Obed, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,
I have some observations-you said--

Just to say the Law of God by which I mean the law received on Mt. Sinai has never been abolished.

[1]Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Jesus totally removed the Mosaic law--all of it at the cross--It was never designed to go on forever.

[a] The law belongs only to the Jews not the Gentiles then or now--trying to keep it does one no good at all.

Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.


Jesus gave the temple{house of God} back to the people just prior to His death.

[c] A man cannot be married to the two laws of God at the same time. This is why the Mosaic had to go away--The Jews could try to keep both the Mosaic law--God removed it at the cross and put the jews back under God's Moral law of sin and of death.

50 days later God revealed the will and testament--a new covenant that enables all who call on the name of the Lord to be saved.

you said...Jesus added over thirty new commandments of his own which can be found mainly in the Sermon on the Mount

My observation--Think about the consequences of this idea from the law standpoint--since Jesus was a jew and lived and died under the Mosaic law.
Jesus never ever added one new command to that last generation of Israel--that would of been breaking the Mosaic law and the consequence for that was death.

you said ---The 613 man-made Mitzvah laws never belonged to God's divine law and as we know Jesus upset the Pharisees when in their eyes he broke some of them.

My response--Yes, you are correct and I am glad you see that--not everyone does.

However, in the sermon on the Mount and in fact in the gospels up to the cross--Jesus fights against those scribal laws--using the Mosaic law to bring folks back to God.

He never used new law to do so--The audience would not of known any new law of any type or kind.

Are you familiar with Gregory the First 590-604 and then later the council of trent. And what the RCC did to all of us in 1486 when they and not God added a division--the title page for the new testament?

You can read about the title page here-- Dan has done some interesting research and contains information not readily available even on the internet today.

http://rgfheart.com/cov/1/
choose Rcc_title_page_bible

Some of us are just now beginning to realize what the RCC has done to all of us--not some of us but all of us.
Richard79408
 

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Did you miss this page?

http://www.christian...210#entry152895

Jesus said "Keep my commandments." Do you believe in the divinity of Jesus who said, "Before Abraham, I AM?" Also please remember that as far as the laws of the land are concerned Jesus told us to, "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" So although we are not required to keep Jewish law we are required to keep the law of the land as well as the commandments of Jesus. Looking forward to you covering those points in your reply. Thank you..



Obed, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,
I have some observations-you said--

Just to say the Law of God by which I mean the law received on Mt. Sinai has never been abolished.

[1]Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Jesus totally removed the Mosaic law--all of it at the cross--It was never designed to go on forever.

[a] The law belongs only to the Jews not the Gentiles then or now--trying to keep it does one no good at all.

Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.


Jesus gave the temple{house of God} back to the people just prior to His death.

[c] A man cannot be married to the two laws of God at the same time. This is why the Mosaic had to go away--The Jews could try to keep both the Mosaic law--God removed it at the cross and put the jews back under God's Moral law of sin and of death.

50 days later God revealed the will and testament--a new covenant that enables all who call on the name of the Lord to be saved.

you said...Jesus added over thirty new commandments of his own which can be found mainly in the Sermon on the Mount

My observation--Think about the consequences of this idea from the law standpoint--since Jesus was a jew and lived and died under the Mosaic law.
Jesus never ever added one new command to that last generation of Israel--that would of been breaking the Mosaic law and the consequence for that was death.

you said ---The 613 man-made Mitzvah laws never belonged to God's divine law and as we know Jesus upset the Pharisees when in their eyes he broke some of them.

My response--Yes, you are correct and I am glad you see that--not everyone does.

However, in the sermon on the Mount and in fact in the gospels up to the cross--Jesus fights against those scribal laws--using the Mosaic law to bring folks back to God.

He never used new law to do so--The audience would not of known any new law of any type or kind.

Are you familiar with Gregory the First 590-604 and then later the council of trent. And what the RCC did to all of us in 1486 when they and not God added a division--the title page for the new testament?

You can read about the title page here-- Dan has done some interesting research and contains information not readily available even on the internet today.

http://rgfheart.com/cov/1/
choose Rcc_title_page_bible

Some of us are just now beginning to realize what the RCC has done to all of us--not some of us but all of us.
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Thank you Angel7 for your "ps". I am a cynic about this world and I don't expect many believers to immediately and enthusiastically accept anything I write because it means surrendering their prideful labels of "GREAT SCHOLAR MASTER" and special service to the 'man at the pulpit' (the status quo), but I do wish to provide 'food for thought' to the multitudes of believers who feel trapped and crushed by the oppressive misbeliefs that have plagued "Christianity" for centuries.

I understand that it is extremely difficult to forsake the teachings of man (God does too, and He never said "Understand properly or I won't be gracious to you").

God taught me how to be articulate, logical, and to use common sense. God NEVER "told" me to share what He taught me (in fact He gave me indications to the contrary about what might be a "foolish endeavor",.....cynic that I am), but He let me remember also...

Psalm 37:4 "Take delight in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart".

So thank you for at least considering what I wrote (God may use you to explain REAL truth to a new generation of believers).

I used the word "explain" because upon entering the "solid food" devotion, we should have no earthly spiritual teachers,.....the 'God seed'/"anointing" will give us eyes to see and ears to hear His voice when He speaks to us.

"MY SHEEP hear My voice" (John 10:27),......do not enter by any other way than THE DOOR (John 10:1).

1 John 2:27
"but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie".

Verses are from the RSV.
 

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Thank you. :)

It sounds to me when I read your previous post that you are talking about the liberty we have in the knowledge of sins forgiven which is echoed in Charles Wesley's great hymn "And Can It Be That I Should Gain" in which he writes “My chains fell off, my heart was free, I rose, went forth, and followed thee.”

But of course freedom from the law by which we are judged in no wise means freedom to lie, steal or murder etc. but rather that we are free from the bondage of sin and Satan's grasp our our life? What do you think?

Long my imprisoned spirit lay,
Fast bound in sin and nature's night;
Thine eye diffused a quick'ning ray,
I woke, the dungeon flamed with light:
My chains fell off, my heart was free,
I rose, went forth, and followed thee.

http://www.icr.org/article/4713/
if we are truly circumcised in the heart then according to the word we are a law unto ourselves. what people forget is that even though we are not under the law we still desire to please God. in order to please God we need to do what is right. according to the word the law is good and just so we who are circumcised in the heart desire to to do good and be just so we try our best to live according to the law to please God. if we fail to do all the law says does not matter because we are not under the law. all those that are circumcised of the heart just repent and continue to do their best to please God.

is this what you wanted? if i missed your question then please repeat it and i will try and answer it next time.

God bless

thisistheendtimes
not to get analytical but when you stated this "God taught me how to be articulate, logical, and to use common sense. God NEVER "told" me to share what He taught me (in fact He gave me indications to the contrary about what might be a "foolish endeavor",.....cynic that I am), but He let me remember also." it brought to mind how i believe you are wrong or have been deceived. the reason i say this is because according to God's word we are to speak the truth in love to people and also we are called to spread the good news and last but not least we are to be able to explain why we believe what we believe to whoever asks. i am sorry if i am mistaken and you did hear God but it does not sound scriptural to me. but i am over joyed you are staying hot for God. keep it up and i will be praying for you

God bless