Do We as Christians Keep the Mosaic Law?

0bed · Aug 5, 2016

Saint said:
This is kind of a silly discussion; you better hope that you follow the commandments of God and if not you should fear for your soul.

Romans 3:31
Then is the Law annulled through faith? Let it not be! But we establish Law.

Romans 2:20
An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Romans 3:6
God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

But this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, declares Jehovah, I will put My Law in their inward parts, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. And they shall no longer each man teach his neighbor, and each man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah. For they shall all know Me, from the least of them even to the greatest of them, declares Jehovah. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sins no more.
(Jer 31:33-34)

"This is the covenant which I will covenant to them after those days, says the Lord: Giving My Laws on their hearts, and I will write them on their minds;"
(Heb 10:16)

Read the Bible in context. Here is one example from Romans 8 :1-4 and you will see there is no condemnation from the law to those who are in Christ Jesus

(1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.
(2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
(3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
(4) that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

StanJ · Aug 5, 2016

Saint said:
This is kind of a silly discussion; you better hope that you follow the commandments of God and if not you should fear for your soul.

Romans 3:31
Then is the Law annulled through faith? Let it not be! But we establish Law.

Romans 2:20
An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.Romans 3:6
God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

But this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, declares Jehovah, I will put My Law in their inward parts, and I will write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. And they shall no longer each man teach his neighbor, and each man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah. For they shall all know Me, from the least of them even to the greatest of them, declares Jehovah. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sins no more.
(Jer 31:33-34)

"This is the covenant which I will covenant to them after those days, says the Lord: Giving My Laws on their hearts, and I will write them on their minds;"
(Heb 10:16)

The New Testament does not contradict itself so if you think you find verses that support your position and ignore the verses that show the Old Testament law is not applicable into the New Covenant then you're saying that the Bible contradict itself, which it doesn't.

Boaz · Aug 7, 2016

Boaz said:
Where were the 613 laws put ?

Deuteronomy 31:26New International Version (NIV)
26 “Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God. There it will remain as a witness against you.

Boaz · Aug 7, 2016

FHII said:
Eph 6:1-3 isn't a commandmemt.

What promise are you referring to?

long life on the earth

Boaz · Aug 7, 2016

justaname said:
"Take this Book of the Law and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you. - Deuteronomy 31:26

This is one of the last instructions of Moses concerning the Law.

We are no longer under the Law including the 10 commandments. Yet as followers of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ we are to exemplify love which in following this activity properly we are not in need of laws. Thus it is common under the Law not to murder as in under grace not to murder because that is not a loving activity. This then is liberty rather than bondage where the Law is bondage and grace is liberty.

It is God that gives the Law and it is God that gives His Holy Spirit. Neither are in conflict rather harmony. This is why much of the teachings of the apostles are harmonious with the teaching of the Law. Yet the technical aspect of keeping the Law is wrought in the flesh rather than the Spirit for the Spirit is harmonious with the Law while the flesh is in conflict with the Law. So then these debates are fleshly in nature whereas by the Spirit we innately know and practice what is good but by the flesh we must constantly attempt to measure what is right. Not because we don't know what is right or wrong, but because we seek to justify our actions before others. So then when we are convicted by God in a certain activity by the Spirit, we seek to push that conviction upon others through our fleshly desires to control the activity of others and to justify said activity before others. Yet it is not the legalism of the Law that perfects us rather it is the Spirit and the activity of love that brings us to completion.

One will say "I do this, so must we all" but another "I need not do that". These are meaningless conflicts that are not edifying rather divisive. Because both are arguments stemming from pride, one of self righteous behavior and the other from knowledge, neither seek to be edifying rather only attempt to prove the other wrong.

Love is the common Law we all must obey, nothing more or less.

Placed in the Ark
(Deut 10:5)

Placed on side of Ark
(Deut 31:25)

How readest thou ?

Boaz · Aug 7, 2016

StanJ said:
Jesus' baptism was part of him becoming our high priest in the order of Melchizedek. That's why he told John that it should be done 'in order to fulfill all righteousness'. We are not baptized for the same reason.

Why do persons use the word fullfill to mean to end ? if so then baptism ended with Christ ?

StanJ · Aug 7, 2016

Boaz said:
Why do persons use the word fullfill to mean to end ? if so then baptism ended with Christ ?

That not what Jesus did here. Is baptism was to fulfill the righteous requirements in the law that weird place for the Messiah and high priest. Part of it was to be baptized and annointed in water which he was.

justaname · Aug 7, 2016

Boaz said:
Placed in the Ark
(Deut 10:5)

Placed on side of Ark
(Deut 31:25)

How readest thou ?

Just like it says. How about you?

StanJ · Aug 7, 2016

Boaz said:
Placed in the Ark
(Deut 10:5)

Placed on side of Ark
(Deut 31:25)

How readest thou ?

Do you really not see the difference between the two verses? The first one is talking about the tablets with the 10 Commandments on them, and the second one is talking about the Book of the Law(v24), which is verse 26 by the way.

Boaz · Aug 7, 2016

StanJ said:
Do you really not see the difference between the two verses? The first one is talking about the tablets with the 10 Commandments on them, and the second one is talking about the Book of the Law(v24), which is verse 26 by the way.

Why was the big ten put inside the ark ?

StanJ · Aug 7, 2016

Boaz said:
Why was the big ten put inside the ark ?

Probably because Moses broke the first pair and God didn't want to take any more chances.

0bed · Aug 8, 2016

Deu_31:24
The “book” here spoken of would contain the whole Pentateuch up to this verse, and would be “the Book of Moses,” called generally by the Jews “the Law” (Barnes)

It would have been written on papyrus, very close to the death of Moses in 1400 B.C. http://www.genuineleatherbible.net/2011/bible-study-deuteronomy

I'm amazed to think that during their "wanderings" they were making papyrus, quill pens, and ink and sitting down to write five very large books.

Anyway, since we are now saved by grace and not by Jewish law or "works" it has become is obsolete since Christ's death and resurrection. The Law of God, however stands forever and was expanded upon by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount.

StanJ · Aug 8, 2016

0bed said:
Deu_31:24
The “book” here spoken of would contain the whole Pentateuch up to this verse, and would be “the Book of Moses,” called generally by the Jews “the Law” (Barnes)
It would have been written on papyrus, very close to the death of Moses in 1400 B.C. http://www.genuineleatherbible.net/2011/bible-study-deuteronomy
I'm amazed to think that during their "wanderings" they were making papyrus, quill pens, and ink and sitting down to write five very large books.
Anyway, since we are now saved by grace and not by Jewish law or "works" it has become is obsolete since Christ's death and resurrection. The Law of God, however stands forever and was expanded upon by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount.

Psalm 119:160

0bed · Aug 8, 2016

StanJ said:
Psalm 119:160

I made haste[H2363], and delayed not to keep thy commandments. (Psa 119:60)

koosh A primitive root; to hurry; figuratively to be eager with excitement or enjoyment: - (make) haste (-n), ready.

mjrhealth · Aug 8, 2016

Why was the big ten put inside the ark ?

Well it wasnt to protect the law form the people it was to protect the people from teh law. remember the man who reached out to steady teh arc, all who keep the law have done just that, reached out to touch it, and teh law being Holy does the only thing it can, it kills them. That is why we are not under the law, and teh Jews are No longer under the law, they like the foolish just choose to be, prefer death by the law, than life by grace through Jesus. All the law has ever done and will continue to do is kill those who touch it.

justaname · Aug 8, 2016

Boaz said:
Why was the big ten put inside the ark ?

The same reason Aaron's rod and the manna were put inside. God's orders to symbolize the covenant. This is why it is called the Ark of the Covenant. That covenant is not the current covenant for Christians, rather we have a new and better covenant.

Saint · Aug 8, 2016

Yes it is a better covenant...the laws are internalized in your heart and not written in stone as was the first covenant. If I were to ask you if you today broke any of the 10 laws you would likely tell me that no you keep all except the command to keep the Sabbath, yet you say you are not under the law. Because you keep them II would tell you GOOD because if you didn't keep them what kind of relationship would you have with the LORD?

StanJ · Aug 8, 2016

0bed said:
I made haste[H2363], and delayed not to keep thy commandments. (Psa 119:60)
koosh A primitive root; to hurry; figuratively to be eager with excitement or enjoyment: - (make) haste (-n), ready.

Try that again, I quoted verse 160 not 60.

StanJ · Aug 8, 2016

Saint said:
Yes it is a better covenant...the laws are internalized in your heart and not written in stone as was the first covenant. If I were to ask you if you today broke any of the 10 laws you would likely tell me that no you keep all except the command to keep the Sabbath, yet you say you are not under the law. Because you keep them II would tell you GOOD because if you didn't keep them what kind of relationship would you have with the LORD?

When one is living by grace in the spirit then one doesn't need to keep track of the Old Law because it means nothing under the New Covenant. If God touches something in our life and says it is wrong then that is what we deal with pure and simple. We don't compare our daily lives to a list of don't we simply live in the spirit and allow God to point out what is not pleased with in order for us to effect change.

FHII · Aug 8, 2016

Boaz said:
long life on the earth

Didn't see anything about it

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