"Illegitimate" Children

Strat · Apr 15, 2012

Foreigner said:
-- From the complete lack of replies - from anyone - it would appear I am not the only one needing that dictionary.

I did notice that you chose not to respond to my previous post.

Let me repeat and give you another chance:

You said: "We are not allowed to have an opinion,we have one,that is why we are called sinners."

My reply was:

"-- If we are "not allowed to have an opinion," then why are you soliciting opinions of fellow Christians?
Your very first post asks the question "why?"

And if no opinions are allowed, then we should actually be supporting the stoning of two people caught in adultery and forcing a man who rapes a virgin to pay the father 50 shekels of silver and marrying the woman.

After all, we have no right to question what God requires......right?"

Now, I realize that there really isn't anything you can say to recover from being cornered by your own words, but it would be sporting if you would at least try.

Oh my yes,cornered by your superior logic and reason,what to do what to do

First off you don't run this forum and i can start a thread and ask any question i choose as long as it is within the rules and regulations
Second i'm sorry you lack the imagination to connect the word opinion with sin in regard to the laws of God,it is the opinion one has of Gods law that leads him to obey or disobey,we are told to obey without question but when people allow their own opinions of right and wrong to take over sin is the result...now i'm sure your keen intellect will pick that apart as well but it is pretty simple.

I ask the question to see what people would say...it's called a forum...within the first 5 minutes i was here i saw threads questioning the existence of Hell and whether or not Homosexuality is a sin,these threads were/are quite long so i guess the opinions vary....both questions have obvious answers if one is being led by the word of God...yet they were ask anyway.

The references you made to stoning adulterers ect is a statement of ignorance designed to do nothing more than stir up strife,in the old testement that is the way they did things and if God had not decided to change it we would be doing it today...you sound like either an atheist or agnostic...both tend to overstimate their intelligence and understimate that of everyone else.

Foreigner · Apr 16, 2012

Strat said:
Oh my yes,cornered by your superior logic and reason,what to do what to do

First off you don't run this forum and i can start a thread and ask any question i choose as long as it is within the rules and regulations
Second i'm sorry you lack the imagination to connect the word opinion with sin in regard to the laws of God,it is the opinion one has of Gods law that leads him to obey or disobey,we are told to obey without question but when people allow their own opinions of right and wrong to take over sin is the result...now i'm sure your keen intellect will pick that apart as well but it is pretty simple.

I ask the question to see what people would say...it's called a forum...within the first 5 minutes i was here i saw threads questioning the existence of Hell and whether or not Homosexuality is a sin,these threads were/are quite long so i guess the opinions vary....both questions have obvious answers if one is being led by the word of God...yet they were ask anyway.

The references you made to stoning adulterers ect is ..you sound like either an atheist or agnostic...both tend to overstimate their intelligence and understimate that of everyone else.

-- Let's recap, shall we?

You started this thread and in your very first post you ask the question "why?," soliciting opinions from everyone on this board.
You also asked: "Can anyone tell me why God would allow a illigitimate child to be born,conceived outside of his stated will (marriage)"

You then turn around and say, "It doesn't matter what i think,God has put some hard things in his word and told us in no uncertain terms that we have no right to even question it...."

So - and stay with me here - you yourself ask 'why?' and then immediately turn around and say we have absolutely no right to ask why.

What's wrong with this picture?

As far as you saying that my comments are, "a statement of ignorance designed to do nothing more than stir up strife,in the old testement that is the way they did things and if God had not decided to change it we would be doing it today."

You missed my obvious point that the very thing you just said about God deciding to change things applies to your concerns about illegitimacy.

That means that just as He has negated the requirements of stoning or forcing a man to marry the woman he has raped, He has negated the concern about illegitimacy, as well.

Look at the verse you provided:
"A bastard shall not enter then congregation of the Lord,even to his tenth generation shal he not enter into the congregation of the Lord" - Deut. 23:2

Do you really think that God would discard the other rules he provided in Deut. but somehow - for some reason - keep this one?

If so then you are saying that Jesus was wrong and that calling on His name, seeking forgiveness and turning away from sin ISN'T enough to be saved.

That would also mean the part about there being only ONE unpardonable sin isn't really the case.

You say, "superior logic." I call it "common sense."

Strat · Apr 16, 2012

Foreigner said:
-- Let's recap, shall we?

You started this thread and in your very first post you ask the question "why?," soliciting opinions from everyone on this board.
You also asked: "Can anyone tell me why God would allow a illigitimate child to be born,conceived outside of his stated will (marriage)"

You then turn around and say, "It doesn't matter what i think,God has put some hard things in his word and told us in no uncertain terms that we have no right to even question it...."

So - and stay with me here - you yourself ask 'why?' and then immediately turn around and say we have absolutely no right to ask why.

What's wrong with this picture?

As far as you saying that my comments are, "a statement of ignorance designed to do nothing more than stir up strife,in the old testement that is the way they did things and if God had not decided to change it we would be doing it today."

You missed my obvious point that the very thing you just said about God deciding to change things applies to your concerns about illegitimacy.

That means that just as He has negated the requirements of stoning or forcing a man to marry the woman he has raped, He has negated the concern about illegitimacy, as well.

Look at the verse you provided:
"A bastard shall not enter then congregation of the Lord,even to his tenth generation shal he not enter into the congregation of the Lord" - Deut. 23:2

Do you really think that God would discard the other rules he provided in Deut. but somehow - for some reason - keep this one?

If so then you are saying that Jesus was wrong and that calling on His name, seeking forgiveness and turning away from sin ISN'T enough to be saved.

That would also mean the part about there being only ONE unpardonable sin isn't really the case.

You say, "superior logic." I call it "common sense."

Your only goal is to harass,agitate and irritate....i will leave you to it

HeRoseFromTheDead · Apr 16, 2012

Strat said:
Deuteronomy 23/2 says that "A bastard shall not enter then congregation of the Lord,even to his tenth generation shal he not enter into the congregation of the Lord"
I am illigitimate,my parents were not married and never married...this passage is in the old testement,what verse in the new testement changes anything,has God not said that he does not change ?
There is another passage that i can't seem to find that says it is God who opens and closes the womb...why would God allow an illigitimate child to be born ? ...does God love one(legitimate) and hate the other(illigitimate) ? as he said about another situation in the bible.

I must view things through a different filter than you do. How is Deuteronomy 23:2 any different than verses 1 and 3?

He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. Deuteronomy 23:1

An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: Deuteronomy 23:3

Yet regarding eunuchs we later read:

Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I [am] a dry tree. For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose [the things] that please me, and take hold of my covenant; Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. Isaiah 56:3-5

And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch ... had come to Jerusalem for to worship, ... And as they went on [their] way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, [here is] water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing... Acts 8:26-40

And regarding Moabites, Ruth from Moab was the great grandmother of King David, as well as an ancestor of Jesus Christ.

So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son. ... And the women her neighbours gave it a name, saying, There is a son born to Naomi; and they called his name Obed: he [is] the father of Jesse, the father of David. Ruth 4:13-17

No child of God is illegitimate.

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