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Thank you CB for your responds....I dont think penence is for paying for sin...but to help us heal from it so we can learn to avoid it in the future. Purgetory for cleansing...becuase dont we all sin in someway everyday, in our thoughts, by what we do or dont do that we should have done and no unclean thing shall enter Heaven....yet it is still the blood of Jesus only that can cleanse from sin. But I'm not sure of all the teaching of the Catholic church...those are just my ideas on it.
I also think there maybe a place for unbelivers like purgetory were they will have a chance to accept Gods love and forgivness, after really knowing the whole truth...becuase when we die, really we are all quite ignorant and therefor cant not really make an infromed choice on what to belive.
Your right we are supposed to read the Bible and ask the Holy spirit to help us understand the true meaning and God is personal so He may want to speak to one person differant through a verse then another...however there can only be one true meaning. And all the Chruches seem to gt differant doctrines from the same Bible...and I can't really be sure that the whole Bible is the word of God...how can I? But I do belive most of it is.
 

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In Matthew 26:6-11 we read,

A woman came up to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive ointment, and she poured it on his head as he sat at table. But when the disciples saw it, they were indignant, saying, "Why this waste? For the ointment might have been sold for a large sum and given to the poor." But Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a beautiful thing to me. For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me."​
The pope actually owns nothing or very close to nothing as compared to what he would have if he had became a professional person i.e. surgeon barrister/ attorney, etc. this pope that we have presently is one of the world's most intelligent persons and he has given his life for Jesus.
 

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I agree with you aspen2 ,yes, they [ the non-Catholic Christians] are indeed our "brothers and sisters in Christ". My problem is that many non-Catholics have a difficulty in accepting that Catholics are indeed Christian.The reason they don't understand is from much false historical data and misinformation on exactly what the Catholic Church really teaches. Ignorance of Catholicism is the biggest enemy of the Catholic Church. One of the very early Christians, St. Jerome, once wrote; '' To be ignorant of Scripture is to be ignorant of Christ." That is very true, because of ignorance fed me I once earlier left the Church for a funtamentalist/evangelical church.
Luther, near the end of his life, with much dissapointment wrote: " There are now as many gospels as there are minds ". I apologise for my seemingly crude manner of writing, I am not very educated, lack writing skills and not very commuter adept, but I do agree with you aspen2 that I haven't any excuse for the bad manners or hardness of heart that I unintentionally project in my posts, please forgive me. I will try to damper it down. After having left the Catholic Church earlier in my life because of ignorance fed me by much anti-Catholic teachings I have become very defensive of the Catholic Church. I often use the following borrowed quote to explain my stance on reverting back "Home'' to the Catholic Church; " Twenty-five years ago I found Jesus then Twenty-five years later I found His Church".

I agree with you that people who do not understand Catholic teachings misinterpret them and can be very harsh towards the church. But as a former Protestant, I cannot deny that I was a Christian before I was Catholic. I remember being angry that I was never taught church history as a Protestant, but then I realized that I have been blessed by the catholic church very much.

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I agree with you aspen2 ,yes, they [ the non-Catholic Christians] are indeed our "brothers and sisters in Christ". My problem is that many non-Catholics have a difficulty in accepting that Catholics are indeed Christian.The reason they don't understand is from much false historical data and misinformation on exactly what the Catholic Church really teaches. Ignorance of Catholicism is the biggest enemy of the Catholic Church. One of the very early Christians, St. Jerome, once wrote; '' To be ignorant of Scripture is to be ignorant of Christ." That is very true, because of ignorance fed me I once earlier left the Church for a funtamentalist/evangelical church.
Luther, near the end of his life, with much dissapointment wrote: " There are now as many gospels as there are minds ". I apologise for my seemingly crude manner of writing, I am not very educated, lack writing skills and not very commuter adept, but I do agree with you aspen2 that I haven't any excuse for the bad manners or hardness of heart that I unintentionally project in my posts, please forgive me. I will try to damper it down. After having left the Catholic Church earlier in my life because of ignorance fed me by much anti-Catholic teachings I have become very defensive of the Catholic Church. I often use the following borrowed quote to explain my stance on reverting back "Home'' to the Catholic Church; " Twenty-five years ago I found Jesus then Twenty-five years later I found His Church".
The non-Catholic Christians ? Protestants are Catholic !
Some other denominations may call themselves Christian but i don't think they all are, like JW and Mormons or the so called jews for jesus mob etc. as they may say lord lord but they have another.
 

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With all of the glam and politics and deceit coming from the Vatican, you want to argue that Catholicism is the true church? The Church is the body of Christ, not what a man says it is. The pope to me is on the same level as the Pharisees, making doctrines the laws of man. I have plenty of understanding of the Catholic church and its doctrine, and it is anti-Christ. It is from this group that we get the 'mass of Christ', and Easter, two holidays that are pagan in origin, yet Christians worldwide have been made to believe that 'suddenly God just changed his mind on what he said before'. They have been made law by the very church which sought to remove knowledge from the people by denying access to a Bible. I see nothing but idolatry, deification of man, and vain imaginings in this group and I will stay separate from them at all costs. I trust the Word over man, and there is no man that will tell me what God says. Christ opens our eyes and ears, and thats all we need in this world. Come out from among her my people, and BE YE SEPARATE
 

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Still waiting from people as you [ anti-Catholic ] to show me a Catholic doctrine that is corrupt or a Bible that was first printed on a different printing press from that first Catholic press [ Guttenberg was German Catholic.]
Even if God gave man the wisdom to invent an earlier printing press it wouldn't have benefited man-kind because the majority of the population of the world at that time were illiterate . Jesus established His authorative teaching Church first then that same Church [ which was Apostolic ] compiled the Holy Bible [ completed Bible ] . Your facts are based on fictious information from anti-Christ sources.
 

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You misunderstand, there are numerous things taught by the Catholics that I find scripturally sound, but just as ANY 'official' church, it has been plagued by wolves in sheeps clothing for well over 1000 years. I will venture to say that all Christianity cannot be right, there is but ONE way, and yet we find 1000 denominations including Catholicism.

You assume that people were illiterate, when we understand from archaeology that there were great civilizations with structured governments, something hard to create if so many cannot read. Do not forget that our history books themselves are written by the victors of war!

My qualms with the Catholic church is not in the people, those good, well meaning Christians, rather with the structure of politics that we see rampantly today. The idea of a man being head of the church is unacceptable to me, as Christ is the head of the Church. If pope literally means 'shepherd' then the means of electing the pope is biblically unsound. God will raise up pastors in His own accord to feed His children.

Do Catholics accept Christ as God, or is He merely equated to the 'Son of God'? Lucifer was a 'son' of God, Adam was as well, as were all of the angels, so why pass off His divinity? As Christians we are to pray in Jesus' name, not in the name of Mary, we are not to chant publicly as that is the way of the heathen. And allowing Sodomites to lead the congregation along with the number of pedophiles found in Catholicism gives me little belief that it is 'holy' at all.

Constantine is the very reason that many of the 'non canonical' books were removed, to fulfill his own political agenda, yet a thorough study of these so called 'gnostic' texts shed more light on scripture than the 66 found in standard translations. My facts are based on factual evidence that can be seen in the world today. I care deeply for my Christian brothers and sisters, and only want them to take a look at what God says for themselves instead of basing everything on what they have learned through someone else. No justification, no watering down the Word, no 'spiritualizing' away what was meant to be reality. Take time to accept Gods word for what it says, and then adjust your life accordingly, dont adjust the Word to fit your life.
 

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Catholics DO belive Jesus is God and there Lord and Savoir...other wise they would not be Catholic or Christian. They talk to Mary and other siants to ask them to pray for them...just as protestents ask other Christians to pray for them Mary and those in heaven are very close to God, why not ask for there prayers? I dont talk to the famouse siants, becuase I dont know them personally but I think it is just fine...I do talk to my Grandmother and my brother some times. But mostly I just talk derectly to God.
 
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You misunderstand, there are numerous things taught by the Catholics that I find scripturally sound, but just as ANY 'official' church, it has been plagued by wolves in sheeps clothing for well over 1000 years. I will venture to say that all Christianity cannot be right, there is but ONE way, and yet we find 1000 denominations including Catholicism.

You assume that people were illiterate, when we understand from archaeology that there were great civilizations with structured governments, something hard to create if so many cannot read. Do not forget that our history books themselves are written by the victors of war!

My qualms with the Catholic church is not in the people, those good, well meaning Christians, rather with the structure of politics that we see rampantly today. The idea of a man being head of the church is unacceptable to me, as Christ is the head of the Church. If pope literally means 'shepherd' then the means of electing the pope is biblically unsound. God will raise up pastors in His own accord to feed His children.

Do Catholics accept Christ as God, or is He merely equated to the 'Son of God'? Lucifer was a 'son' of God, Adam was as well, as were all of the angels, so why pass off His divinity? As Christians we are to pray in Jesus' name, not in the name of Mary, we are not to chant publicly as that is the way of the heathen. And allowing Sodomites to lead the congregation along with the number of pedophiles found in Catholicism gives me little belief that it is 'holy' at all.

Constantine is the very reason that many of the 'non canonical' books were removed, to fulfill his own political agenda, yet a thorough study of these so called 'gnostic' texts shed more light on scripture than the 66 found in standard translations. My facts are based on factual evidence that can be seen in the world today. I care deeply for my Christian brothers and sisters, and only want them to take a look at what God says for themselves instead of basing everything on what they have learned through someone else. No justification, no watering down the Word, no 'spiritualizing' away what was meant to be reality. Take time to accept Gods word for what it says, and then adjust your life accordingly, dont adjust the Word to fit your life.

xBlux, I'm so sorry for you, you really don't know what your writing about [ i'm not intenting to insult you ,but you and many others do not understand the Apostolic Catholic Church]
First- It is not a "denomination " it never split from another church as you find with every single Protestant church The Catholic /Apostolic Church was formed by Christ with his Apostles and their successors [ Eph. 2:19-20,]
The Church is Catholic { Matt28;19-20, Rev. 5:9-10]
The Church is One - Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10;17, 12:13 ]
The Church is Holy- Eph. 5:25-27, Rev. 19:7-8 ]
Jesus chose the apostles [to answer your confused opinion that God never picked any men to lead His earthly Church while Jesus is back with the Father] He gave them His own power and authority [ Luke 10; 16 ]

His Catholic/Apostolic Church was never taken completely over as you say ,not one doctrine as ever been left out or changed in over 2,000 years, because Jesus doesn't lie when He said He would always protect His Apostolic/Catholic Church [ Matt.16: 15-19 ]

You are completely wrong when you try to write that people were not illiterate back then ask even any competent Protestant historian . They not only could not read, they could not afford the very expensive price of a Bible back then, you do realize that writing paper, as we know it, was non-existing back then, and also no printing presses were yet invented by the Catholic Guttenberg until much later

Your words about " pedophiles '' also applies to your Protestant churches , the name of Ted Haggart ring a bell, saved you Protestants cry, in a pigs eye he was saved , he would have never revealed the truth if he wasn't labeled by his gay boy friend. All the time your other Protestant ilk saying that he was "saved'. What a hoot.And many other cases. if your Protestant churches were all under one roof as is the Catholic Church is then your Protestant gay ministers would also make the World News instead of only the local news.

Constantine had nothing to do with the Books of the Bible or the Catholic Church, he only made Christianity the Faith of his empire . Constantine was never even baptised until his death bed..If you think he took out books then you can't believe that the Holy Bible is the only sole rule for the Christian Faith, now can you.
 

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I know Ted Haggard and he is not a pedophile, nor was he ever accused of being one - be careful what you accuse people of.

Also, where do you fit the Coptic Church in your understanding of Church history?
 

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I read your post.
God left us only with His Church, not a church or cult starting from the 16th century onward.So why do you reject His One True Universal and Apostolic Church as i 've described above?

I don't reject the Catholic church, I reject what you said...it is unbiblical. The biblie itself teaches that there is no longer 'one special church'. Anyone who believes in Jesus, loves Him and follows him, who has been 'baptised by the Holy Spirit', is a part of Christ's Church. The end. I go by what the bible describes as 'Christ's Church', not you...sorry.
As far as the pentecostal Church being the only ones to receive the HS....again, I say :blink:
 

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Deacon, Jesus left us with only 'One' Church , Jesus said "my church'' not churches and that One True Church because its from Jesus. is Apostolic and the only Apostolic Church today are the Catholic from Peter and the EOC from Andrew,

Ted Haggard was not a child molester.
 

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Deacon, Jesus left us with only 'One' Church , Jesus said "my church'' not churches and that One True Church because its from Jesus. is Apostolic and the only Apostolic Church today are the Catholic from Peter and the EOC from Andrew,

My name is actually Rach, not deacon, just fyi.
I think you need to do some digging on what 'Church' is. Yes, today there is many different denominations within Christianity...but if one is saved, then they are a part of the Church, no matter where they are or what building they sit in. You saying that the RCC is the "only real" church is just as ridiculous and erroneous as me saying that only Protestant denominations are the true Church.


Ted Haggard was not a child molester.

Huh?
 

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My name is actually Rach, not deacon, just fyi.
I think you need to do some digging on what 'Church' is. Yes, today there is many different denominations within Christianity...but if one is saved, then they are a part of the Church, no matter where they are or what building they sit in. You saying that the RCC is the "only real" church is just as ridiculous and erroneous as me saying that only Protestant denominations are the true Church.




Huh?
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Pay attention. Read the previous posts before you make any comments, please

No, the Church was only "one " and still is only' apostolic" not Protestant. Protestant churches along with their off-shoot cults are later -day inventions from mere men. Jesus formed only 'one church' as we see in[ Eph. 2: 19-20 ] Show me from the Bible where Jesus formed a different church than His Apostolic Church? Show me from the Bible where Jesus gave His Authority to other men besides His Apostles to go out into the World and Teach everything that He taught his Apostles . Show me from the Bible where Jesus gave His Authority to any future man or woman to invent a church different from His ? And yes ,it is the members that make up His Church but only those members that follow the doctrines as per Romans 16: 17-18 and 1 Cor. 1 v 10, The doctrinal teachings were already in place way before Luther, Knox, or any other protesting Protestant church founder came upon the scene.
 

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What I am familiar with is scripture, and we are told to test all spirits. The symbolism of the catholic church, the statues of the Saints, the intricate design of the cathedrals and the images adorning them, can be traced to pagan cultures, many of which are Luciferian in origin. While the body of that church is devout, they are being misled and I pray for their eyes to be opened.

I don't keep tabs on mainstream protestant churches either, as every one that i attend seems to want to water down the word of God into some feel good spirituality that is far from the truth found in Christ.

It is a well known fact that Constantine, at the Council of Nicea, was responsible for the removal of texts such as the Gospel of Thomas, and the Gospel of Mary, the Protoevangelion, and many others. All to benefit the Papacy in establishing a little bit of 'ownership' in the State. Just as always, religion is a powerful tool for evil men.

Again, while your heart may be in the right place, do not always trust the doctrines of men.

The Apostolic church also understood the message in scripture, the 'good news'. They taught this Gospel only to the lost Sheep of the House of Israel, just as commanded by Christ. They knew they and their people were literally from God, descended through the holy line of Jacob Israel. They also knew that the 'enemy' is very real and walks the earth, and whom his father is as well. John 8:44 is a prime example of who these people are.

Today, the enemy is our flesh according to the modern church. I say little 'c' church because the true Church cannot be found behind ANY wall. For where two or more are gathered in His name.. We must worship in spirit and in truth, not in wooden or stone structures that can become an idol for many people.
 

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What I am familiar with is scripture, and we are told to test all spirits. The symbolism of the catholic church, the statues of the Saints, the intricate design of the cathedrals and the images adorning them, can be traced to pagan cultures, many of which are Luciferian in origin. While the body of that church is devout, they are being misled and I pray for their eyes to be opened.

I don't keep tabs on mainstream protestant churches either, as every one that i attend seems to want to water down the word of God into some feel good spirituality that is far from the truth found in Christ.

It is a well known fact that Constantine, at the Council of Nicea, was responsible for the removal of texts such as the Gospel of Thomas, and the Gospel of Mary, the Protoevangelion, and many others. All to benefit the Papacy in establishing a little bit of 'ownership' in the State. Just as always, religion is a powerful tool for evil men.

Again, while your heart may be in the right place, do not always trust the doctrines of men.

The Apostolic church also understood the message in scripture, the 'good news'. They taught this Gospel only to the lost Sheep of the House of Israel, just as commanded by Christ. They knew they and their people were literally from God, descended through the holy line of Jacob Israel. They also knew that the 'enemy' is very real and walks the earth, and whom his father is as well. John 8:44 is a prime example of who these people are.

Today, the enemy is our flesh according to the modern church. I say little 'c' church because the true Church cannot be found behind ANY wall. For where two or more are gathered in His name.. We must worship in spirit and in truth, not in wooden or stone structures that can become an idol for many people.

I am sorry to say that your personal theory holds no water. Show me documentation please. to counter what you say i can assure you that the books you mention, which I have read support the Catholic Church, but were not rejected by any Emperor but by the bishops of the Catholic Church. If either Constantine or the bishops wanted to promote the Catholic church they could have very easily have accomplished that by entering the non-Canonical books that supported the bodily ascension of Mary into heaven and proof of Purgatory etc. many of the rejected books could pass the test as being canonical but because much of the information contained in a few of them were readily accepted as common understanding by the Christian community that existed back then so these books were rejected, not because they didn't contain much truth but only because the information contained in those books were already taken for granted by those early Christian communities and to save valuable space for what was thought and was as being important "Good News " not yet known by the community of existing and future Christians. Sorry , struggling to stay awake . will continue in A.M.Please supply your documentation on Constantine at the council.
 

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Pay attention. Read the previous posts before you make any comments, please

You know, you could try for a little humility...or maybe even common courtesy in regards to what is nothing but assumption on your part. I have, in fact read the previous posts. Your conversation about Ted Haggard was not with me, and had absolutely no standing within the conversation you and I were having. Perhaps you need to read back. You mentioned Ted and paedophilia in the same sentence...someone else pointed out that paedophilia and being gay are not the same. You then stated that Ted was not a paedophile, which had already just been said. Which brings me back to Ted and his relevance in our conversation....hence the 'huh'?

No, the Church was only "one " and still is only' apostolic" not Protestant. Protestant churches along with their off-shoot cults are later -day inventions from mere men. Jesus formed only 'one church' as we see in[ Eph. 2: 19-20 ] Show me from the Bible where Jesus formed a different church than His Apostolic Church? Show me from the Bible where Jesus gave His Authority to other men besides His Apostles to go out into the World and Teach everything that He taught his Apostles . Show me from the Bible where Jesus gave His Authority to any future man or woman to invent a church different from His ? And yes ,it is the members that make up His Church but only those members that follow the doctrines as per Romans 16: 17-18 and 1 Cor. 1 v 10, The doctrinal teachings were already in place way before Luther, Knox, or any other protesting Protestant church founder came upon the scene.


I'm sorry, but pffft!
 

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Pay attention. Read the previous posts before you make any comments, please

No, the Church was only "one " and still is only' apostolic" not Protestant. Protestant churches along with their off-shoot cults are later -day inventions from mere men. Jesus formed only 'one church' as we see in[ Eph. 2: 19-20 ] Show me from the Bible where Jesus formed a different church than His Apostolic Church? Show me from the Bible where Jesus gave His Authority to other men besides His Apostles to go out into the World and Teach everything that He taught his Apostles . Show me from the Bible where Jesus gave His Authority to any future man or woman to invent a church different from His ? And yes ,it is the members that make up His Church but only those members that follow the doctrines as per Romans 16: 17-18 and 1 Cor. 1 v 10, The doctrinal teachings were already in place way before Luther, Knox, or any other protesting Protestant church founder came upon the scene.

That is correct. Christ only built one Church, not many different churches. His Church is Apostolic because it was built by Christ through an Apostle. Christ said that the gates of Hell cannot destroy His Church; therefore, His Church still exist. The Roman Catholic Church is the oldest Christian Church that existed for 2000 years, and she can trace her lineage to an Apostle. Also, one can see the Jewish heritage in the Catholic Church because Christianity came from Judaism. Jesus, afterall, was a Jew.