Leaving this forum.

Warrior said:

People of God, we need to stop judging others and arguing. Everywhere I go is argument, Brothers and Sisters judging each other. I am doing what is better off for all of us. I am Focusing on Jesus Christ completely, removing myself from any distractions and arguments.

God bless and repent!
-Joe

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If God is leading you to leave then that is what you should do, but don't let the behavior of other's run you away because I promise you, there will be arguements where ever you go...God bless you !!

Warrior said:

People of God, we need to stop judging others and arguing. Everywhere I go is argument, Brothers and Sisters judging each other. I am doing what is better off for all of us. I am Focusing on Jesus Christ completely, removing myself from any distractions and arguments.

God bless and repent!
-Joe

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What needs to be repented of is the broad all inclusive way that has been promoted by modern Christianity as a means of entering the kingdom of God...that you can beleive anything you want about anything you want and any attempt by anyone to rebuke it is "judging"....the bible clearly teaches that anyone who promotes another gospel other than that taught by Jesus and the disciples which is salvation by grace alone, is damned in no uncertain terms....are we more just and compassionate than God...not likely.

neophyte said:

Why run. Accept that alone that which Jesus left us and that was His Church and from that very same Church came out of it the compiled comleted Holy Bible.

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Hi neophyte,

I appreciate you zeal for Christianity and Catholicism - I remember joining the Church 12 years ago and being excited to tell everyone about the truth I found. Now, can you see that you may be coming off as heavy handed towards those people who have not experienced the same truth as you have? Remember, baseball bats and clubs are true, as well as the gospel and Catholic doctrine, but when they are applied to the forehead with force, they can do a lot of damage, especially when the people being pummeled may not be ready to hear it. This is the same principal that St. Benedict applied towards those who wanted to join his monastery - they had to wait at the gate for weeks and sometimes months before he let them in - the truth is worth waiting for and should never be forced on anyone. RCIA takes a year to complete for a reason.

blessings!

I respect your decision to leave and also your reasoning. Consider your experience here at this forum (the frustation you experienced) a TRIAL (learning episode).

There will be times that the purpose of the particular learning episode/trial will be that you learn to address others less personally and keep the discussion on an OBJECTIVE level. You will notice that EXTREMELY few people can and will do this.

People like to give EXCUSES for everything. They use THEIR own reasoning scenario's and also snippets of scripture for excuses also.

EXAMPLE

People like to chew others out and get on their case (that is what "REBUKE" means).

The KJV is the only version that says "REBUKE" in 2 Timothy 3:16, the other versions say "REPROVE" (which means to prove what is right).

Of course, nobody wants to be wise and get a good copy of proper scripture (or almost no one). They think that IT DOESN'T MATTER,.....FINE!...they have their soul, I have mine...let everyone do what they want.

A Godly person is supposed to be PEACEFUL and NOT WANT to "chew out" anyone (devotion is not "scripture", real devotion is "THE HEART'S "DESIRE",....so....peace or aggression, what is in your heart?).......oh, your heart/conscience is not enough of a guide for you?....OKAY, I'll show you scripture...

Jude 1:9.....even an ANGEL did not pass judgement, but said....
"The Lord rebuke you".
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=THE+LORD+rebuke+you&t=RSV&sf=5


................................PEACE or AGGRESSION????.

You're non-confrontational (peaceful) by nature/character (a very Godly trait), yet you LABEL YOURSELF a "warrior",....IDENTITY CRISIS to say the least, do not label yourself at all (in order to avoid pride and role playing, you must DECREASE if you want Him to increase in your life).

I understand that you have a low tolerance of judging and arguing (no doubt, Jesus did also). Five and a half years ago when I started writing about the truth of God, I also had a low tolerance of that.......God said "Well you wanted to share what I taught YOU,....Get over it or get out of these discussions/debates" (I'm not here because I think it's God's will, I'm here because it is MY WILL, but He let's me "share").....

Psalm 37:4
"Take delight in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart".

I started writing on forums twelve years ago about 'social adversity', drugs, depression, etc. and experienced 'burnout' every year or so. Writing about "soul" matters/issues is very stressful (everybody's arguing and judging is 'soul disturbing'....it makes it worse if your heart is in the right place, so....CONGRATULATIONS!).

The church has always been utterly FILLED with arguers/crusaders, condescending hotshot intellectuals, and pride master "scholars", and will always be.

I haven't noticed you being rude or insulting. Many people get defensive when they hear REAL TRUTH because "truth destroys the empires of pride".

...but, you've probably already discussed this with God ("BURNOUT" is real, stress is a silent killer).

Godspeed in your journey with The Lord!.

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Hi neophyte,

I appreciate you zeal for Christianity and Catholicism - I remember joining the Church 12 years ago and being excited to tell everyone about the truth I found. Now, can you see that you may be coming off as heavy handed towards those people who have not experienced the same truth as you have? Remember, baseball bats and clubs are true, as well as the gospel and Catholic doctrine, but when they are applied to the forehead with force, they can do a lot of damage, especially when the people being pummeled may not be ready to hear it. This is the same principal that St. Benedict applied towards those who wanted to join his monastery - they had to wait at the gate for weeks and sometimes months before he let them in - the truth is worth waiting for and should never be forced on anyone. RCIA takes a year to complete for a reason.

blessings!

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Where in the bible are we told that salvation is something we should put off untill tomorrow.....or as the "saint" did it....for weeks ? sometime months ?....these are the games and schemes of men and organized religion....not of God.

Warrior said:

Strat, For one thing, I know certain people Have seen the Lord and seen things go down. If the rapture is the "Whatever we want to believe" You are talking about, I had a dream about the rapture. I was left behind in this vision. If that is the thing you are talking about. and neophyte, I am leaving to avoid sinning and judging others. I am not being decieved by any man. God bless I hope to see you in Heaven.

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I am not arguing with your decision to leave or making any judgements about it....the rapture does not concern me because i have an appointed time to die so its not a matter of whatever i want to beleive...i just don't use it to hide a fear of death behind.....one or the other will get me.

Strat said:

Where in the bible are we told that salvation is something we should put off untill tomorrow.....or as the "saint" did it....for weeks ? sometime months ?....these are the games and schemes of men and organized religion....not of God.

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Where does it say in the Bible that membership alone in a church or monastery is equal to salvation?

aspen2 said:

Where does it say in the Bible that membership alone in a church or monastery is equal to salvation?

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Where did i say it did ?...now please tell me where we are told that slavation is to be postponed or delayed for any reason.....Catholic "saints" have never saved anyone

Strat said:

Where did i say it did ?

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Right here:

[background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]Where in the bible are we told that salvation [/background][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)][I never said salvation, I said membership in the Catholic Church][/background][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)] is something we should put off untill tomorrow.....or as the "saint" did it [/background][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)][St. Benedict made people interested in joining the monastery wait for membership, not salvation] [/background][background=rgb(247, 247, 247)]....for weeks ? sometime months ?....these are the games and schemes of men and organized religion....not of God (what? Making sure you understand what you are committing to before you join?)[/background]

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...now please tell me where we are told that slavation is to be postponed or delayed for any reason

Never said slavation should be delayed.

.....Catholic "saints" have never saved anyone

Who said they did?

Warrior said:

People of God, we need to stop judging others and arguing. Everywhere I go is argument, Brothers and Sisters judging each other. I am doing what is better off for all of us. I am Focusing on Jesus Christ completely, removing myself from any distractions and arguments.

God bless and repent!
-Joe

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Hey Jo! I understand if you feel you are being led somewhere. I too have struggled with the constant arguing on this board (indeed everywhere!), and very much feel that if we are not very, very careful, we will fall into ungodliness through it. It sometimes seems so very wrong that the people of God just can't stop bickering and unite under Jesus. But I also feel that discussion and debate are very important and have their place. Consider these verses:

"Dear friends, although I was eager to write you about the salvation we share, I found it necessary to write and exhort you to contend for the faith that was delivered to the •saints once for all." -Jude 1:3

"If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness, 4 he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions, 5 and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain." - 1 Tim 6:3-5

"For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new. 4 They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths. 5 But as for you, be serious about everything, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry." - 2 Tim 4:3-5

As Christians we must always promote sound doctrine and 'contend' for the truth of Jesus. Faulty doctrine can so easily lead people away from Jesus. So, yes, I think there must always be those to stand up for the unvarnished truth, and how we do this will reveal where our hearts truly are. We are, of course, all human, all sinful, so we will fall at times! But by repenting of those times of arrogance and anger, and moving forward in a genuine love and concern for others, we trust in the Spirit to do God's work here. So many people reach out through boards today, and there is a very great need for godly people with sound doctrine to make themselves be heard.

So, farewell brother, if you must go, be well in Christ, and remember...contending for the faith, the truth, is always good...it just needs to be done humbly and lovingly!

About six years ago, when The Lord started teaching me the REAL truth about Him, I regarded it as a PERSONAL communication that should not be "shared", but I used discretion to decide whether I should or not.

He calls those who have no SENTIMENT for Him (no true love for HIM, but instead have a "BOOK" in their heart and glorify man) "dogs" and "swine". The human being is capable of many EMOTIONS, but the only true SENTIMENT is TRUE LOVE (TRUE love is a SENTIMENT, not simply an emotion).......true love goes BEYOND all rationality/logic, in other words IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE [to the world](that's why you can't learn it from a book or man).

I wanted to "share" (The Lord did not say whether I should or I shouldn't, He DID give me a definite indication that "sharing" is contrary [or even useless] to what He wants). He warned us when we "give to dogs" what is holy, FIRST, they will mock the truth of what was spoken, then if we don't immediately change the subject, the mockers will even become violent. Well even if I was going to senselessly endure that, He says "lest they come to be healed by me" (dumping garbage on The Lord's doorstep so that He must deal with "garbage/dogs"?). At the time, I was just learning to be arrogant (confident). My general feeling was that if He expects me to "endure", then He will do the same (no, I did not actually vocalize it, BACKTALK is never the right attitude, but wondering how to make sense of it all is).

The Lord never gave me any indication that "sharing" what He TAUGHT ME was contrary to His will, except for the "dog" passage, but "I" myself don't see any "dogs", for I don't PASS JUDGEMENT on ANYONE in or out of the church (it gives me no pleasure or joy, anger is it's own consequence/punishment...I have no need of stress).

So, I've been sharing for 6 years on the internet, mainly only on one forum (because I do question whether it will actually change a person's "soul heart", I am a "skeptics fool", cynic).

The reason I am skeptical and cynical is that at least 95% of all who are in the church "BICKER ARGUE" (there are many "arguements" pro and con...FOR and AGAINST a claim/topic when pursuing "understanding"). Like an auto mechanic understands all the 'hows and whys' of the internal combustion engine (better/higher than "wisdom" is "UNDERSTANDING", Proverbs "get UNDERSTANDING"), we also must have a profound/deep "understanding" of what The Lord wants us to know ("the depths of God"), but we can't truly do that if our hearts are set against each other ("BICKER arguing" is PERSONAL "against" each other).

Of course we may "DISCERN" (The Lord WANTS us to ALWAYS be "DISCERNING" about everything we encounter IN our lives (whether things are good/beneficial or bad FOR US OURSELVES, discerning between the 2 standards of "good and evil").

Hebrews 5:14
"for those who have their faculties trained by practice to distinguish good from evil".

.............discerning between TWO STANDARDS ("distunguish")...GOOD and it's opposite "evil"/imperfection, "wickedness" is what is UNGODLY and SATANIC ("the FLESH" is not ungodly, it's only the human handicap/weakness of being mortal). The knowledge mistakenly chosen in the Garden of Eden needs to be "self-controlled by each of us.

....JUDGING is bad because the only real reason for doing it is to JUDGE "AGAINST" (decide "against") the other person.

So, of course you can be given the truth about God, but whether or not it will actually do any good for the "bickering judges" of holydom, is the bottom line (final determinator) of our destiny (please feel free to make a fool out of this cynic!). You will never know "perfect love" or how to journey with The Lord on "the street called Straight" instead of the Jews "strait GATE" until you stop bickering and judging.
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....the Jews were told to aim for the "strait gate" because they were accustomed to GATES in THEIR worship....

Ezekiel 46:1 "gate".

...but our worship is a WALK/journey with Jesus...

Acts 9:11 "Rise and go to the street called Straight".

...but can we overcome the bickering and arguing? (go ahead, make a fool out of me, that's a challenge).