Judgement ?

We hear alot about judgement these days and how we are not to judge people,but i have noticed one avenue of judgement that seems to be wide open with lots of traffic in this greedy,lustful and envious society we live in.I cannot judge the man or woman who has lived an irresponsable and wreckless life with little or no regard to God or anyone else but i can judge a man or woman who has more money than i think they should have and is not using it the way i think they should and i can execute judgement by supporting higher and higher taxes,restrictions,regulations ect etc as a means of taking by force what i think i deserve from them....all the while supporting the greatest immoral,destructive anti God force the world has ever known.....Government !!!!!

The fact is "rich" is a relative term,the man with 100 dollars is rich to the man with one dollar while the man with 100 dollars is poor compared to the man with a thousand...most people these days seem to define"rich" as anyone who has more than they do,they then decide,regardless of choices they or the other person has made in life that it's not "fair" and that the person should be penalized for daring to have more than they have and the money should be provided to them for what they think they are entitled to...is this attitude Biblical ? if so what scripture supports it ? did Jesus give us the right to demand from others what we want from them ? Jesus taught generosity and charity but it was the small amount the widow gave that he described as the greatest of all because it was all she had....who among us has done such ? or who among us has given as much percentage wise as we want to force others to ? does the bible not describe lusting after other people's possesions as covetousness to be severely avoided at all cost and for any reason ? does it provide excuses because you say you want other people's money to give to who YOU think it should go to to make things...."fair" ?.....any scripture to support the the welfare state where government becomes the provider instead of God and in fact becomes a god that has destroyed the family structure and promoted immorality of every kind would be greatly appreciated....this god seems to have many worshipers within modern Christianity.

aspen2 said:

Matt. 22:15-22

Mark 10:21

Mark 10:25

Mark 12:42-43

Luke 11:41

Luke 12:33

Luke 14:12-14

Luke 19:5-9

James 2:5-7

Jesus spent a great deal of time talking about wealth and poverty. Based on His teachings, we are called to care for the poor - the rich have already received their reward. Serving the poor is one of the main tenets of living the Christian life.

As far as rich people paying a higher percent of taxes - they should be paying for the right to make money in America. During the 1950's the rich were paying 90% of their income to the government - and they were still rich! Now they pay less than 40% - and that does not even include money they are making for free off of investments. The accumulating of vasts amount of personal money is not good for your soul, but it is the right of all Americans to pursue wealth - however, paying for that right is also required.

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I expected you to be the first to respond but i didn't realize it would be that ridiculous,not a single scripture you provided gives the authority to you or anyone else to steal that which belongs to another and give it away...as a liberal i'm sure you would oppose anti homosexual laws,anti adultery and fornication,laws to ban drinking these sins put a great deal of the"poor" in the places they are in,all of which are condemned in the bible,to you this would be judgemental and attempting to legislate morality,an attempt to control people and interfere in their lives...you believe in freedom but not responsability....but you have no problems with people's irresponsability taking away the property and freedoms of those who are guilty of making good choices and decisions in life....you despise the rightous and coddle the unrightous....haters of those who do good and live upright and Godly lives....lovers of the unrightous and profane... a lover of the haters of God.

The notion of paying for the right to be free is truely a sick and twisted take on what America is all about and you and your ilk have done marvelous works of transformation in this country to see to it that all are poor....that all wait for a hand out in some way...why don't the generational welfare crowd have any "rights" to pay for .... like never working a day in their life,making as many kids as they want and not caring for them,commiting crimes and denying others their rights and sometimes their lives receiveing free room and board and medical care in places we call prison but they call home....you make a complete mockery of the rightousness and holiness of Christianity and replace it with some twisted corrupt free clean needles for the soul program where sin is encoraged,supported,excused.

Foreigner said:

Aspen, I understand your firm faith in liberal politics and policies, but your propaganda doesn't stand up well in the light.





-- Not quite.
Rich who do not use part of their riches to help the poor - as Christ has directed - have "already received their reward."
Many rich give to the poor. Many give quite generously.

What you don't seem to grasp is that neither you nor the gov't decide what the threshold of "enough" is when it comes to donations/caring for the poor.
The final judgment as to whether they have "done enough" is between God and the individual. No one else.




-- They already DO pay for that right. It's called taxes. and yes, they do pay their "fair share."

Top 1%
Earned 17% of all income
Paid 38% of all federal income taxes

Top 2-5%
Earned 15% of all income
Paid 22% of all federal income taxes

Top 5-10%
Earned 11% of all income
Paid 12% of all federal income taxes

The top 10% earns 43% of all income, but pays 71% of all federal taxes.

Translation: They ALREADY pay more than their fair share.

The problem isn't the amount of money going into Uncle Sam's coffers. It is how irresponsibly members on both parties in Congress and the President (regardless of his party) spend it.




-- Simply wrong yet again.
You do not have to pay for the right to pursue wealth.
And if you obtain wealth you ALREADY pay for it:

- Federal taxes
- Payroll taxes
- State taxes
- Local taxes
- Property taxes
- Sales tax on everything from cars to gas to food to clothing.

How can you possibly not grasp this?




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He can grasp it....he is sick with the diease of liberalism,the kind that was created in the haze of sex,drugs and rock and roll where life is supposed to be free and easy and "da man" pays all the bills....perhaps i made a mistake in asking this from a christian perspective that requires biblical support....i suspect he gets his marching orders fROM Washigton,the DNC and the world in general....and with that crowd its anything goes.