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If you see a new kind of fruit on a tree you do not know you will of course be resistant to eat it. Only if you know the tree and know the fruit is harmless you will taste it. Or if the fruit is sold in a store you will be quite safe. But berries you during your walk happen to see on a tree foreign to you? No – you better not eat it.

The thing is that the fruit must be authorized. And real authorization is not given by reputation but by familiarity. If the fruit is sold on the store you may taste it, but you will be a bit suspicious, dependent upon your feelings for the common sense. But if the fruit is from a tree you know and love you will have no expostulation eating it, even if the fruit tree is strange or foreign in your culture. Christianity is authorized not by reputation but by familiarity with the Jewish religion.

In the same way we will be suspicious to anonymous comments on this forum. Popularity, that is reputation, may make us friendlier to anonymous comments. But real authorization the comments only get from being of profiles familiar to us. Profiles need to be telling.

Devils will act anonymously. Their aim is to create insecurity and despair. Do not copy!

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If you see a new kind of fruit on a tree you do not know you will of course be resistant to eat it. Only if you know the tree and know the fruit is harmless you will taste it. Or if the fruit is sold in a store you will be quite safe. But berries you during your walk happen to see on a tree foreign to you? No – you better not eat it.

The thing is that the fruit must be authorized. And real authorization is not given by reputation but by familiarity. If the fruit is sold on the store you may taste it, but you will be a bit suspicious, dependent upon your feelings for the common sense. But if the fruit is from a tree you know and love you will have no expostulation eating it, even if the fruit tree is strange or foreign in your culture. Christianity is authorized not by reputation but by familiarity with the Jewish religion.

In the same way we will be suspicious to anonymous comments on this forum. Popularity, that is reputation, may make us friendlier to anonymous comments. But real authorization the comments only get from being of profiles familiar to us. Profiles need to be telling.

Devils will act anonymously. Their aim is to create insecurity and despair. Do not copy!

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Vaccinius, Good morning

First I'm going to test a picture of my coffee I'm drinking first...

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Cheers to you...

Luke 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
Luke 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
Luke 3:4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Luke 3:5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
Luke 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Luke 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Luke 3:10 And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
Luke 3:11 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

I love your poems and what you say, keep them coming.

Holy Spirit fill and teach Vaccinius and all, in Jesus name.

Your friend in Christ, Roger
 

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Hello, Roger! I am happy you found such a nice cup to your morning coffee. Here is another cup, for you.

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God bless your day!
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On the subject of "authority", from the Holy Bible we can see where Jesus had "all'' Authority and that only His Apostles received that similar authority from Jesus Himself [ Luke 10 v 16 ] , no other person ever received His authority. Having said that, we must recognize and accept this God-giving power and authority that Jesus gave to His apostles alone, along with their successors,[ as it is written in [ Matt. 28:18-20.]
Now, how did Jesus make sure that His teaching would be understood and applied correctly ? The answer is this - He established an Authorative Teaching Church, [ 1st. Timothy 3:v 14 ]
Jesus established just "One Church " -" Upon this rock I will build my church" [ Matt. 16 v 18 ]--- " There shall be one fold and one shepherd " [ John 10 v 16 ].
Jesus said that He will always protect His church from doctrinal error [ protection from a complete apostasy ] Matt 16: 15-19 ]
Jesus said He would be with His Church " ...onto the consummation of the world " [ Matt. 28: 20 ]
We can only find only "one apostolic church " in modern times that uphold to this verse of[ Matthew 28:20 ] that says " Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you".
Yes, only the Catholic Church is Apostolic - " He who hears you, hears me ;and he who rejects you , rejects me; and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me " [ Luke 10: 16 ]
The direct connection to the apostles is very important because of the Words of Jesus - "As the Father has sent me, I also send you " [ John 20: 21 ] and in [ Matt. 28: 18-20 ] " ..... teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you".
[ John 17: 20- 21 ] " ..... that all may be one, even as thou, Father, in me and I in thee;that they also may be one in us "-- No need for any other future unauthorized [ from Jesus ] mere-man made churches as we find from the 16th century onward.All ' authority' was given to His one Apostolic Church. No other church or person ever received the Holy Spirit in the manner described from the Holy Bible as did His Church and His apostles. The power and authority was given twice to His apostles , once at Pentecost in the form of 'tongues of fire ' and again for the power and authority to forgive or to retain sins in the form of a dove, as found in [ John 20: 23 ]
Jesus wanted this authority and power to other qualified presbyters [ priests ] because He died to save all people from their sins,so He established and commanded His apostles to pass on this power and authority to others - " This is good and agreeable in the sight of God our Savior , who wishes all men to be saved " [ 1st. Timothy 2: 3-4 ]
 

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Neophyte,

The israelies at the time of Jesus were authorized by Abraham, being his sons. But who were his sons? John the baptist and his disciples or the pharisees and the scribes?

On this board we can in our profile state that we belong to that and that church and we can state we have accpted Jesus as our saviour. It means nothing.
 

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Neophyte,

The israelies at the time of Jesus were authorized by Abraham, being his sons. But who were his sons? John the baptist and his disciples or the pharisees and the scribes?

On this board we can in our profile state that we belong to that and that church and we can state we have accpted Jesus as our saviour. It means nothing.

It means nothing you write.Just for starters, show me from your Holy Bible where Jesus gave any future man or women the ''authority" to start any other church [ s ] different from His Apostolic founded based Church? [ as per Eph. 2:19-20 ]
 

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Neophyte,

Churches may or may not be apostolic founded. The question is if the apostolic founded church is true to it's constitution - if it is Christian today.

"... when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8)

Paul let write:

"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." (1 Corinthians 1:10)

Look at the strife on this board. Clearly people do not speak the same thing.
 

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Neophyte,

Churches may or may not be apostolic founded. The question is if the apostolic founded church is true to it's constitution - if it is Christian today.

"... when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8)

Paul let write:

"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." (1 Corinthians 1:10)

Look at the strife on this board. Clearly people do not speak the same thing.

Vaccinius, when Paul penned those words there was only Christ's Apostolic Church ,including the other seven Churches mentioned, they all contained the same "Doctrines/Teachings" , all were 'one' and the same Church.

Read 'Romans 16:17-18 '' I appeal to you, brethren,to take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties , in opposistion to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them........ " That verse tells us all doctrine needed was already given to His One True Church which was formed on His Apostles and their successors , not on any future 16th century church [ s ] No need for any future different churches as we find from the 16th century on until this very day.See also 1 Cor. 1 v 10. this verse also proves that Jesus didn't want any other future churches different from His One True Apostolic Church of Eph. 2: 19-20.
 

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Vaccinius, Good evening

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I'm going to go for a drive with my two bostons...

But before I do, I will continue on "Authority"


Matthew 21:23 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?
Matthew 21:24 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
Matthew 21:25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
Matthew 21:26 But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.
Matthew 21:27 And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

Christ continues to have all authority and if you have a personnel relationship with him though the Holy Spirit you will not need any man...

1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Your friend...

-Roger, God's Servant
 

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Those are some cute pups! I love Boston terriers! I have two cocker spaniels.
 

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Roger,

Good evening sir! I love your car. It is ... sharp.

You are of course right. I will try to improve.
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Neophyte,

Quite right. But unfortunately the Church was taken over by men who were not true to the gospel, and there were wars and conflicts. Also before the 16th century. The division between Rome and Constantinople took place earlier: The patriarch in Constantinople banned the Pope in Rome in 1059.
 

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Those are some cute pups! I love Boston terriers! I have two cocker spaniels.

aspen2, Hi

TY! My wife loves cocker spaniels and my daughter has one named, "Cha-chan"

If you will, please add me to your friends list. Thanks.

Vaccinius, Hi

You said...

You are of course right. I will try to improve.


Me too. LoL! You're wise. "What did Solomon say about a wise man?" ;)



-Roger, servant of Jesus of Nazareth
 

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Roger, I am happy to know you and interested in your ministry with people who are homeless. I am sure I can learn a lot from your work.
 

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... What did Solomon say about a wise man? ...

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Now, Salomon - THAT was a wise man. He said:

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." (Proverbs 26:4)

And then he said:

"Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." (Proverbs 26:5)

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Those are some cute pups! I love Boston terriers! I have two cocker spaniels.

aspen2, Hi,

It's enough.

Vaccinius, Hi

You said...

Now, Salomon - THAT was a wise man. He said:

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." (Proverbs 26:4)

And then he said:

"Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." (Proverbs 26:5)

and...

Proverb:1:1: The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;
Proverb:1:2: To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
Proverb:1:3: To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;
Proverb:1:4: To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.
Proverb:1:5: A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
Proverb:1:6: To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.

You my friend are a wise man.

It's enough for tonight hope to read your wise sayings tomorrow.

-Roger, God's Servant
 

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Roger,

Good evening sir! I love your car. It is ... sharp.

You are of course right. I will try to improve.
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Neophyte,

Quite right. But unfortunately the Church was taken over by men who were not true to the gospel, and there were wars and conflicts. Also before the 16th century. The division between Rome and Constantinople took place earlier: The patriarch in Constantinople banned the Pope in Rome in 1059.

Who were these men that took over the Church ? Names please. What about the promise of Jesus to always protect His Church of Matt. 16; 15- 19 , are you calling Jesus a liar ? It seems like you think men have more power that Jesus when it comes to the Church that Jesus Himself formed and promised to perpetually protect for all who want to accept His Church.Too bad many of you protest against His Church. So what if the patriarch banned the pope , Both the Catholic and EOC contain the same 'doctrine',Protestant churches are johny-come-late man-made churches along with their off-spring cults that reject the Traditions of God but only accept traditions of men and a few women founders starting from the 16th century onward. Vaccinius, I would appreciate the names of those corrupt men that corrupted the only Church protected by Jesus , names and documentation please.
 

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Neophyte,

Please don't believe in any church. What we should believe in, is The Son - like Abraham did. And Jesus was Him.

I will end our discussion here.
 

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And so it was that one day, God decided to make Himself a bell, and so He collected all the finest gold, fired it , and spent time fashioning a mould. When the gold was ready, He went above it and made sure He could see His face in it, and He thought to Himself, " this is fine gold and will make a good bell". And so He poured the gold into the mould,. after it cooled He removed the bell from the mould and inspected it, and and thought." perfect just as I invisioned it to be", then he took a hammer and rung the bell and it rang true ," Since this is my first I will call it my " Jesus", bell and it will be used as a reference for all the rest, Then He proceeded to pour the second bell, but in the process some impurity slipt in, so when he removed it from the mould, He thought to Himself.' this looks just like the first," but when He rang the bell, it was not the same, for it was tainted with catholism", and so He poured another, but it became tainted with 7r-th day adventism, and a third but it was, agnostic, and a fourth , but it was coc, then cclc then presbetyrian, and so He poured millions of bells, they all looked like the first but none of them rang true. Enough He said, then He proceeded to take all the bells, through them back into the vat and wound up the temperature, and as it boiled away, noises came out, division, religion, hate, lust, jealousy, anger , bitternes, but each time a sound came out He just made the fire hotter, and slowly He removed all the impurities from the surface, then He looked and thought, " this is almost ready", so He took the mould and washed it 7 times and each time He inspected it to make sure it had no deffects. The He went above the vat, and looked in, removed the last of the dregs, and waited till the last ripple stilled and. Thought, " as it was before, I can see my face in it", and so He poured another , then as He removed it , He closely inspected it , and found no imperfections, and then He rang His Jesus bell, and the new bell and they rang in unison, And He thought to Himself", I am pleased, it is a splitting image of the first, and I cannot pick the difference, and continued pouring more, each time ensuring that they all rang true to the first. " No impurities' not one , they must all look and sound the same, they must all be of one accord".

There is not a single church today that would not say they are the right church. Christ is buiding His church upon the sure and steady foundation of revelation.

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

In all His Love
 

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And so it was that one day, God decided to make Himself a bell, and so He collected all the finest gold, fired it , and spent time fashioning a mould. When the gold was ready, He went above it and made sure He could see His face in it, and He thought to Himself, " this is fine gold and will make a good bell". And so He poured the gold into the mould,. after it cooled He removed the bell from the mould and inspected it, and and thought." perfect just as I invisioned it to be", then he took a hammer and rung the bell and it rang true ," Since this is my first I will call it my " Jesus", bell and it will be used as a reference for all the rest, Then He proceeded to pour the second bell, but in the process some impurity slipt in, so when he removed it from the mould, He thought to Himself.' this looks just like the first," but when He rang the bell, it was not the same, for it was tainted with catholism", and so He poured another, but it became tainted with 7r-th day adventism, and a third but it was, agnostic, and a fourth , but it was coc, then cclc then presbetyrian, and so He poured millions of bells, they all looked like the first but none of them rang true. Enough He said, then He proceeded to take all the bells, through them back into the vat and wound up the temperature, and as it boiled away, noises came out, division, religion, hate, lust, jealousy, anger , bitternes, but each time a sound came out He just made the fire hotter, and slowly He removed all the impurities from the surface, then He looked and thought, " this is almost ready", so He took the mould and washed it 7 times and each time He inspected it to make sure it had no deffects. The He went above the vat, and looked in, removed the last of the dregs, and waited till the last ripple stilled and. Thought, " as it was before, I can see my face in it", and so He poured another , then as He removed it , He closely inspected it , and found no imperfections, and then He rang His Jesus bell, and the new bell and they rang in unison, And He thought to Himself", I am pleased, it is a splitting image of the first, and I cannot pick the difference, and continued pouring more, each time ensuring that they all rang true to the first. " No impurities' not one , they must all look and sound the same, they must all be of one accord".

There is not a single church today that would not say they are the right church. Christ is buiding His church upon the sure and steady foundation of revelation.

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

In all His Love

mjrhealth, Hi

What you have written makes me think of...

Job:38:7: When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Thanks!

-Roger, God's Servant
 

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mjrhealth, Hi

What you have written makes me think of...

Job:38:7: When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Thanks!

-Roger, God's Servant

"sons of God: " angels cf Jb 1,6
see Job 1:6 sons of God : angels, Satan: literally "adversary"

That which mjrhealth wrote is not biblical ,it is nothing but anti-Catholic garbage. Roger, you must learn first how to use and proberly interpret the bible as it was intended [ with only One interpretation ]