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mjrhealth

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See when I read I know a protstant when read ther post, a catholic when I read thers, becasue you all sound the same as your chuches. None sound like or speak like Jesus.You have become like your teachers, they only way to become like Christ is to be with Christ, and you can see few do. The way is narrow and few shall find it, broad is the path that leads to destruction, I choose Christ, I chooose to become like Him, i choose to learn from Him. He is the only authority , mans religion has none save that given to it by men.

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"sons of God: " angels cf Jb 1,6
see Job 1:6 sons of God : angels, Satan: literally "adversary"

That which mjrhealth wrote is not biblical ,it is nothing but anti-Catholic garbage. Roger, you must learn first how to use and proberly interpret the bible as it was intended [ with only One interpretation ]

neophyte, Hi

I love everyone. Therefore, Love is the fulfilling of the Law.

Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

I forgive.

Now I go back to mourn the loss of my friend.

Oh God, "I don't want to live in christian solitude."

-Roger, Jesus servant
 

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You both miss my point and that of the bible, the sons of God that jump for joy are not those that you believe are the sons of God, the Holy Bible the inerrant Word of God disagrees with you both. but I do agree with the love part , as a practicing Catholic I have forgiven and loved.
myrhealth, What! Then you have never read much from Catholic writers.
I am not either a Catholic writer or an apologist. I can only try my best to defend the Catholic Church from false information against it.
 

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Born and raised a catholic for 20 years, and it was the true church it would not need defending. There is only one true church, a spiritual one being built by Christ made up of spiritual people who follow none but Christ for He is the true shepherd He and knows His sheep as they know Him. But than I guess you missed the other denominations I has in my post, could of posted the other 10000 true churches ( demonination ) but I dont have that muxch time to list them all. Built by men, run by men, with rules made by men. I equally despise all religion, it puts a yoke on the shoulders of men that Christ is trying to remove, takes the Grace of God and treads it underfoot, making it all about us, and God never seems to be glorified, its always the church that gets mentioned.As this post is about authority, there is only one, Christ.


Religious denominations have no authority over anyone unless it is given to them by the people. You sign the dotted line you come under their power. I choose to remain with Christ.


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Born and raised a catholic for 20 years, and it was the true church it would not need defending. There is only one true church, a spiritual one being built by Christ made up of spiritual people who follow none but Christ for He is the true shepherd He and knows His sheep as they know Him. But than I guess you missed the other denominations I has in my post, could of posted the other 10000 true churches ( demonination ) but I dont have that muxch time to list them all. Built by men, run by men, with rules made by men. I equally despise all religion, it puts a yoke on the shoulders of men that Christ is trying to remove, takes the Grace of God and treads it underfoot, making it all about us, and God never seems to be glorified, its always the church that gets mentioned.As this post is about authority, there is only one, Christ.


Religious denominations have no authority over anyone unless it is given to them by the people. You sign the dotted line you come under their power. I choose to remain with Christ.


In His Love

You may have been a Catholic for twenty years but that doesn't mean that you knew your Catholic Faith.
Jesus started only "ONE" Church and that one true church was based on the Apostles, If you read and believe in the Holy Bible then you will see where Jesus gave all of His power and authority to His Apostles .The promise from Jesus to perpetually protect His Church from doctrinal error can be found here [ Matt. 16: 16-18 ] and in that very same verse we see where Jesus said: "my church" not churches.Jesus never lied or made grammatical errors [ mistakes ]. Every Word He spoke was the Gospel Truth.
Jesus goes on and tells us He gives all Authority to His Apostles in [ Luke 10: 16 ]
He established His Church ----" The house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and mainstay of the truth" [ 1 Tim 3:14 ]
You write about the many churches of today , while Jesus contradicts you by saying ; Upon this rock I shall build my church " Only One Church. Because in that one Church God's Doctrine and all the Churches of Jesus will contain the very same "Doctrine" taught as we find in this verse [ John 10 :16 ] " There shall be one fold and one shepherd ".
You can find His Church today by looking for that One True Church that teaches and follows this bible verse " Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you " { Matt. 28: 18-20 ] Only His Church that is Apostolic still maintains all of His Apostolic Teachings along with the Holy Bible and that Church is called the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. What bible proof do you have to prove your particular church and who formed it? Before you attempt to prove your particular church .first show me the verse where Jesus gave His "Authority" to any future man or woman to start any church or cult different from His Church ?
 

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Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

see it was revealed to him, revelation,

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

This rock, previous line " revelation", He is building His church. Revelation only comes from God,

He did not say, " upon you Peter". All taken out of context, in one small line a whole denomination comes to nought. Religion cannot stand up to the truth.

In all His love

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 

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Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

see it was revealed to him, revelation,

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

This rock, previous line " revelation", He is building His church. Revelation only comes from God,

He did not say, " upon you Peter". All taken out of context, in one small line a whole denomination comes to nought. Religion cannot stand up to the truth.

In all His love

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

mjrhealth, for the correct understanding, I would kindly suggest you read the following-

Matthew 16:18-19 / Isaiah 22:22

"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
"And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open."
Most Protestants believe that "church" refers to the mass of Christian believers throughout the world, loosely connected to each other by their faith in the Bible alone. But these verses demonstrate that the "Church" Jesus Christ founded is not an invisible body of loosely-connected believers, but a visible and hierarchical institution built upon the person of Peter, who was given supreme authority, an office for dynastic succession, and the gift of infallibility. This Church can only be the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
In these verses, we see the following. First, Jesus builds His Church (“ecclesia”) upon the person of Peter. As we learned in the previous link on The Church, Jesus changes Simon's name to "Kepha," and says that on this "Kepha" He will build the Church. Kepha, in Aramaic (the language Jesus spoke), means a massive rock formation, and Jesus' use of Kepha to rename Peter signifies Peter's foundational leadership in the Church. (See also Mark 3:16 and John 1:42 where Jesus renames Simon "Cephas" which is a transliteration of the Aramaic "Kepha."). Only the Catholic Church recognizes and proves through an unbroken lineage of successors that her foundation is Peter.
Secondly, Jesus says the powers of death will never prevail against the Church. So even though Jesus appoints sinful human beings such as Peter to lead the Church, Jesus promises that hell will not prevail against her. Because the powers of hell refer to the supernatural, this must mean that the Church, although lead by sinful people, is divinely protected. Because she is so protected, the Church cannot lead the faithful into supernatural error. That is, she is unable to teach error on matters of faith and morals. This inability to teach error on faith and morals is called "infallibility" (it has nothing to do with the sinfulness of the Church's leaders, which deals with "impeccability"). If the Church were not infallible, the powers of death would indeed prevail over her sinful members. The consistent, 2,000 years of the Church’s teaching on faith and morals proves that Jesus has kept His promise.
Third, Jesus gives Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven. While many Protestants think that the gift of the "keys" means that Jesus appointed Peter as the guardian of the gates of heaven, the "keys" actually refer to Peter's authority over the earthly Church (which Jesus often described as the "kingdom of heaven." Matthew 13:24-52; 25:1-2; Mark 4:26-32; Luke 9:27; 13:19-20, etc.) In the Old Davidic kingdom, the king had a prime minister on whose shoulder God placed the keys of the kingdom (Isaiah 22:22). Similarly, the new kingdom of Christ also has a prime minister (Peter and his successors) who is given the keys of the kingdom. The keys not only represent the authority the prime minister has to rule over God's people in the king's absence, but also the means of effecting dynastic succession to the prime minister's office (for example, in Isaiah 22:20-22, Eliakim replaces Shebna as prime minister in the Old Davidic kingdom). Only the Catholic Church claims and proves a succession of prime ministers (popes) all the way back to Peter, and this succession is facilitated by the passing of the keys of the kingdom.
Finally, Jesus declares to Peter that whatever he binds and looses on earth will be bound and loosed in heaven. As in the Old Davidic kingdom, whenever Peter the prime minister opens, no one shall shut, and whenever he shuts, no one shall open. Jesus, therefore, gives Peter the authority to make decisions that will be ratified in eternity. In order for sinful Peter (and his successors through the passing on of the "keys") to make such decisions, he must be divinely protected. Once again, this evidences Jesus' gift of infallibility to the Church. Only the Catholic Church claims and has proven that her 2,000 year-old teachings on faith and morals, which have never changed, are infallibly proclaimed.​
 

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Ill leave it at that. None proven in scripture and the news proves otherwise.

In all His lOve

Yes it is in Holy Scripture, Matt 28 :18-20 , "All power in heaven.............Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations ........." Note; All nations means the whole World, Catholic means Universal or Whole World. Now since you need to prove it from Scripture ,So mjrhealth show me from the Holy Bible where Jesus gave your church founder the authority to invent a church totally different from His .Book. Chapter. Verse please. If you can't find it from Scripture then your church is not from God . It would be from another source other than God.
News, you say. Yes the Church that Jesus left us is constandly being bombarded with flack from Satan, because Satan hates God's Catholic Church and Satan is relentless in his attempts to ruin the only Church that Jesus left for us, but Satan will never destroy the Catholic Church because of the promise of Jesus to always protect it from doctrinal error.
 

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Love these word games, so much fun. You see I belong to Chirst and His Church, I dont belong to any man made denomination, See only Jesus has the authority to build His church, He asked no man to do it. But then Christ is Spirit, His words are Spirirt, His Church is Spiritual, it has no building that can contan it neither does it have a name, Christ never gave it one. It has but one Head Christ, it has a teacher the Holy Spirit, it does not have any rules, but to have faith and believe, to Love all to forgive all, it does not wear fancy garments, it has no rituals, it has no requirement to join but to have faith in Christ, its foundation is built upon revelation and truth, it is of one accord to Glorify God upon this earth, it is in the scriptures, I do not have to bend the truth to confirm its existence, all can join, from the poor to the rich, from the broken hearted to the lame and the sick,, It is His and His alone to do with as He pleases.

Did I not die for the sins of all men.
Did I not say, as I drew my last breath, “ It is finished”.
Did I not say I will draw all men to myself.
Joh_12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Would you deny Me before men?.
Would you put men before the Holy Spirirt whom I sent to you, to guide and lead you into all the truth?

In All His most abundant love
 

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Love these word games, so much fun. You see I belong to Chirst and His Church, I dont belong to any man made denomination, See only Jesus has the authority to build His church, He asked no man to do it. But then Christ is Spirit, His words are Spirirt, His Church is Spiritual, it has no building that can contan it neither does it have a name, Christ never gave it one. It has but one Head Christ, it has a teacher the Holy Spirit, it does not have any rules, but to have faith and believe, to Love all to forgive all, it does not wear fancy garments, it has no rituals, it has no requirement to join but to have faith in Christ, its foundation is built upon revelation and truth, it is of one accord to Glorify God upon this earth, it is in the scriptures, I do not have to bend the truth to confirm its existence, all can join, from the poor to the rich, from the broken hearted to the lame and the sick,, It is His and His alone to do with as He pleases.

Did I not die for the sins of all men.
Did I not say, as I drew my last breath, “ It is finished”.
Did I not say I will draw all men to myself.
Joh_12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Would you deny Me before men?.
Would you put men before the Holy Spirirt whom I sent to you, to guide and lead you into all the truth?

In All His most abundant love
mjrhealth, looks like you only "pick and choose'' from the bible only those verses that you think fit your religious agenda. you have what is called a "cafeteria style -man-made religion". Your version of the Christian Faith never was remotely recognized by anybody until circa the 19th century. Cafeteria -style Christianity was never instituted by Jesus , He never taught it to His teaching apostles nor did they pass it on to their successors.Allow me to clue you into a very impotant verse [ Luke 10: 16] In that verse we can easily read and understand that Jesus passes on His "authority " only to His apostles, In this next verse we can read and clearly understand [ unless one has comprehension difficlties ] that Jesus sends out His apostles into the world to rule with His authority and teach all that He taught them: " As the Father has sent me, I also send you " [ John 20: 21 ]. Now also read this next verse : " Teaching them all that I have taught you " [ Matt. 28:20 ] Jesus wants His Church to be "One" as proven in this verse : {John 17: 20-21 ]

" And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them ' [ Ezechiel 34: 23 ]

'Jesus said to Simon Peter, " Feed my lambs .... feed my sheep ...feed my sheep " { John 21: 15-17 ] Of course Jesus is the Head Shepherd but He left us always with a earthly shepherd [ substitute teacher/shepherd ] until the Real Shepherd/ Teacher [ Jesus ] returns. Sheep [ meaning all of us Christians] always need a tangible earthy shepherd,, because Jesus knows His sheep. He knows if we can't see our shepherd we become lost, as many have, and will become sheep of many different flocks, seperating and wondering away from His One True " Fold" [ His One True Catholic and Apostolic Church ]. Jesus left us only "One" Church,not a group of different concepts containing individual religious ideas and other conlicting man-made churches with their off-shoot cults. One Fold One Shepherd - One Bible One Interpretation .
Why do you not believe "all" of the commands of Jesus and follow the One True Apostolic Teaching, Authorative Church that Jesus left, not only for His 1st Century Christians but also for all of His future Christians as well ?
 

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If teaching Christ as Lord and saviour is a religous agenda, than what is it you are teaching. Every thing I teach is Christ ands Him alone where is the agenda,

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If teaching Christ as Lord and saviour is a religous agenda, than what is it you are teaching. Every thing I teach is Christ ands Him alone where is the agenda,

In all His love

The Catholic Church being based on Jesus via His Apostles is of course solely Teaching about the 'Fullness of the Christian Faith" because it contains not only the Teachings of the Holy Bible but also "everyrhing" that Jesus taught to His apostles, then those same Teachings were passed on down through apostolic succession. Today only the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church Church can trace their lineage directly back to a different original apostle chosen and taught by Jesus. No other church has this apostolic foundation . Jesus only left us One type of Church that has stood for two thousand years weathering the most turmulent of "storms " and survived [ because of the promise from Jesus being that it is Christ's Only ' True"Church ] and that One True Church was and still is 'Apostolic ' . Jesus never divorced His Bride the Church and never will.