Quote:TallMan Originally Posted by Faithful Acts 2:1-8 . . .8.And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? .. .:12: And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?If I walk down the Champs Elyses in Paris and over-hear 2 people talking in English, I will recognize the language, but I won't know who they are talking about and I certainly will not assume they are talking to me!!People that use Acts 2 to teach that tongues was for preaching to men are completely wrong.Peter realised they were in confusion, that's why he stood up, they all STOPPED speaking in tongues (to God) and he spoke TO the crowd in the common learned language - THEN they understood the gospel message.
You miss the understanding of what you are saying about the scripture you read.They could not understand what it meant that they all heard it in their own native tongue. This is proved when Peter later says, they are not drunk but rather.Joel 2:28 (King James Version)28.And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:Tell me was it the Spirit speaking through Peter about our Lord Jesus Christ or was it Peter????? Was he not the author of all things the apostles spoke about.1 John 2:27 (King James Version) 27.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.What were the men speaking that the people heard and recognised in their own tongue?Luke 24: 46-49.46.And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47.And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48.And ye are witnesses of these things. 49.And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. The real power to preach the gospel is not born of man.Jeremiah 31:33-34 (King James Version) 33.But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34.And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.Our Lord Jesus taught, "The words I speak they are Spirit and this is life."
Quote:Originally Posted by Faithful 1 Corinthians 13:8 (King James Version)8.Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. Again, why stop at that verse?1Co:13:10: But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. . . .12: For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.So, there are 2 time periods, "now" and "then"."Then" is when tongues, prophecy and partial understanding will cease, "then" christians will see "face to face" and know even as they are known!!We are not there yet!Therefore we are still at the "now" stage, so tongues have NOT CEASED.
the word whether is used showing that Paul was not relying on these things being for eternity but that Love is the only sure way we can be sure of existing for eternity and that in relation to all these things including tongues, that love is the greatest of the gifts a person could have.Tell me one man whom you can understand anothers tongues or one man who can discern them. Tongues ceased a long time ago in its true form and definition because men can no longer listen to them as unbelievers of every race do not understand the utterer in their own language.If someone is speaking in the tongues of acts 2 every man listening should know what they are saying.If you know no one who speaks so all understand then you cannot say they have not ceased.
Quote:Originally Posted by Faithful Tongues were a sign for non-believers hence every person heard the apostles speak in their own tongue. Hang on!When Peter went to the gentile non-christians in Acts 10, or when Paul met 12 greeks in Acts 19:1-6 it wasn't Peter or Paul that spoke in tongues to those people - it was those people that spoke in tongues!Who were they speaking to?In Acts 10:44-46, they interrupted Peter's speaking by speaking in tongues!
1 Corinthians 13:1 (King James Version)King James Version (KJV)Public Domain 1 Corinthians 13 1Though I speak with the tongues of
men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.Clearly the tongues of men and angels are two different types of tongues.The tongues of men acts 2 have ceased, the tongues of angels used to praise God and discerned only by those who have the gift. So one is for praising God and intercession personally or to relay with an interpretor in the latter acts. And the other is the tongues of men no longer discerned or needed but not to say the Spirit cannot or won't supply when needed. So clearly tongues of men and angels known to the apostles and those in the Spirit. Acts 2 for non-believers.
Quote:Originally Posted by Faithful Today we have people in every nation, language and tongue able to speak the truth of Gods words. And we see also the bible printed in every language under the sun. Are you speaking the truth, or mis-using God's word.Anyone can quote the bible, but they don't have the salvation it describes unless they have got the receiving of God's Spirit right!
To have Gods Spirit one must understand that only by loving Jesus can you receive the Holy Spirit. And he said, " If you love me, you will keep my commandments." The ones who do not know Christ or have the Spirit are the ones who do not love.Does that answer your questioning? Can filthy and clean water flow in the same stream?
Quote:Originally Posted by Faithful The fruit of the Spirit is for every believer but the gifts are given according to the works God had planned for us from before the foundation of the world. "The gifts" are the ministries to the church.All christians have faith, but not all use the gift of faith, all have knowledge but not all use the word of knowledge . . .tongues . ..prophesy .. .
Demons believe in God too, and they tremble for their faith will not save them.Faith is the willingness to think and act on the basis of what we know of God (which may be very little) and to trust him, that he will not let us down.How can we act on our faith if we do not use that which he has given us. Furthermore how can we have it if we never use it? All things are possible for the one who has faith.Like the demons, faith that is never used, never grows. A bit like the 10 virgins who some actively responded and were refilled with the oil trimming their lamps whilst waiting for the Lord. 5 foolishly not keeping their lamps alight and trimming them ready for the return of the Lord. Use it or loose it.
Quote:Originally Posted by Faithful If believers believe speaking in tongues is for every believer then they are removing the truth of the Spirits ability to give us what we need for the work God has planned for us. Nonsense, the Spirit knows, and tells us that we don't know God's perfect will for us (Romans 8:26, 1 Cor. 2, John 3:3 etc) therefore we all need Him to lead us in prayer in tongues - that's why ALL speak in tongues when they receive him - Acts 2:4, 10:44-46, 19:6, Romans 8:15-16, John 3:8
Romans 8:26 (King James Version)King James Version (KJV)Public Domain 26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.talks about what we should pray for.John 3:3 (King James Version) 3.Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.The kingdom of God does not come in a such a way as to be seen with the human eye.For the Kingdom of God is within you. (Jeremiah 31:31-34)What is flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.Again the Lord Jesus says, Matthew 6:6-13 (King James Version) 6.But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7.But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8.Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9.After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10.Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11.Give us this day our daily bread. 12.And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13.And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.1 Corinthians 12:4-10 (King James Version)King James Version (KJV)Public Domain 4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9.To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10.To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues;
to another the interpretation of tongues:There is much to learn but it is the same Spirit that gives according to each person that gift which he will. Love faithful.
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