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http://www.theparanormalreport.com/If-look...ut-history.htmlFolklore attributes the underlying power of the eye to envy. Coveting a neighbor's property was thought to create the evil eye, intentionally or unintentionally. Children were thought to be particularly susceptible to the evil eye, a belief arising from the numbers of unexplainable infant deaths before modern medicine identified their causes. A barren women could be blamed for bringing the evil eye on a child, subconsciously jealous that she could not have her own. Folklorist and UC Berkeley professor Alan Dundes once made the case that the evil eye's effects almost always involved withering, drying and death. This explains the remedies seen in many cultures which always seem to involve wetness. One remedy for countering the evil eye was the practice of washing the ground after a person with the eye had passed through, and the Jewish custom that fish were immune to the eye because they were always wet. The evil eye is almost universal to human cultures. The Fins call it the bad eye, for the Arabs it is the eye of envy. In the Philippines its the devil's eye, and in Portugal its called the bad gaze. Traditional among some Muslim groups is to state "Whatever God wills" as a method of warding off the evil eye, and testifying that only what God wants to happen will happen. Sailors in some areas of the mediterranean to this day paint eyes on their boats to counter the gaze of the evil eye and ensure a good catch. In Turkey the symbol has even appeared as a large blue eye on commercial aircraft and on cellphones. Ancient Egyptians used the eye prominently in their symbolism to protect the spirits of the dead, and even the bible gets in on the action with the tenth commandment, with the word covet meaning to cast an envious eye. Its possible that the commandment itself might have been intended to prohibit casting the evil eye, rather than to simply be envious in itself, though I guess its better to be safe rather than sorry when interpreting this commandment. The Romans made amulets in the shape of a phallus to ward off the evil eye, presumably by drawing its gaze away from the person and onto the absurdly large phallus they were prominently wearing around their neck. The latin term for this type of charm is a fascinum, from which the english verb fascinate derives. An odd variation of this concept is still alive today in the United States and Italy. A common type of horn-shaped pendant seen in nearly every jewelry store in America is the cornicello. I've even seen them available at the local Walmart, and they remain one of the most popular gold charms on the market today. Sometimes called a ram's horn, most people in the US that wear them have no idea what they are, other than an attractive shape. The origin of this odd piece of jewelry comes from Italy, and is intended to protect the genitalia - and consequently fertility - from the effects of the evil eye. Medical science and objectivity tells us that the eye cannot kill, though for centuries deaths were often attributed to the evil eye. In medieval Europe witches were often identified - and burned at the stake - on the evidence that they had directed an angry glare at someone that resulted in their death. So frightened was the British court system of the evil eye and its bewitching powers that it required that accused witches being brought into the courtroom had to walk backwards. Countless tales exist that attribute sudden death to the evil eye, and people to this day continue to derive lifelong employment in some parts of the world to removing its effects. Garlic is often said to ward off the eye, and the color blue is believed to counter it as well. But beware of blue-eyed people in Greece, as compliments from them can bring the effects of the eye onto you much more efficiently than brown eyes can. King Alfonso XIII of Spain (r.1886-1931) was one of the most prominent figures of the 20th century to have been said to possess the evil eye. Benito Mussolini believed it, and refused to meet with him in person during a state visit. Apparently this was for good reason, since the Italian Navy's demonstration celebrating the Spanish King's visit to Italy in 1923 resulted in two sailors being washed overboard, an explosion on a submarine, an antique cannon fired in his honor blew up and killed its crew, and a navy officer who shook the king's hand collapsed and died. To top it off, a dam broke killing 50 people during the visit. There doesn't seem to be any basis to the claim that the evil eye can do real physical harm. Any effect must surely be psychosomatic or coincidental. But with the myth of the evil eye being so widespread in human culture, even appearing in the most modern nations to this very day, one wonders why the superstition has such staying power. Every day some people fear to look us straight in the eye, some people go out of their way to do it, either way they are as focused on our eyes as the ancient's were. In some small way, more mental than supernatural, the eye really does have power.
 

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1 Peter 3:12 (King James Version) 12.For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.Hello Doppleganger,I am not sure why you posted this about the paranormal and the teachings of superstition. A believer lives by truth and has no need of the paranormal or the things that are not of God. We need to know the truth that Gods eyes are over us and his ear is open unto our prayers. Is it those who do evil that he sets his face against.Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you. The needs of a believer are not found in the material worlds ways. They are found in the Spiritual life and belief of Gods words. Today Doppleganger look at what God teaches and expect to see his leading and answering you.Keep away from the darkness if a new believer you should avoid the darkness in all forms.Love Faithful.
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Well, I was hoping any of you would respond with some verses on this subject, not lecture me. Don't you find this interesting?
What was the 1 peter 3:12 if not a verse of scripture?No I do not find it interesting, I find it deceptive and a form of idolatary taking men away from trusting in God and his truth, to fearing things of darkness which have no place in the light and for which many in the old testament were destroyed.Isaiah 47:6-15 (King James Version) 6.I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke. 7.And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it. 8.Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children: 9.But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments. 10.For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me. 11.Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know. 12.Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. 13.Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. 14.Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. 15.Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.So not a lecture, if you saw a child playing with a box of matches as an adult would you take them off the child and rebuke them or show them how to light them so both playig with fire. Believe me when I say, I have seen things and heard things which you do not want to. Avoid the darkness.:naughty:Love Faithful.xx:study:
 
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Yea 1 verse. Big deal. This aint deception. Its here to make you think! So, whats in the Bible isn't interesting? Back to the subject! Apparently, you don't know the Bible that well. And its mentioned more than a few times! Some directly some indirectly. You've missed the whole point! No, I don't avoid darkness, even blindness, hint, hint!Exo 21:23-26 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. Deu 15:9 Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; and thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto the LORD against thee, and it be sin unto thee. Deu 32:9-12 For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance. He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye. As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings: So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.1 Sam 24:10 Behold, this day thine eyes have seen how that the LORD had delivered thee to day into mine hand in the cave: and some bade me kill thee: but mine eye spared thee; and I said, I will not put forth mine hand against my lord; for he is the LORD'S anointed.Job 17:2 Are there not mockers with me? and doth not mine eye continue in their provocation?Psa 17:7-10 Shew thy marvellous lovingkindness, O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their trust in thee from those that rise up against them. Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings, From the wicked that oppress me, from my deadly enemies, who compass me about. They are inclosed in their own fat: with their mouth they speak proudly. Psa 35:19-22 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. For they speak not peace: but they devise deceitful matters against them that are quiet in the land. Yea, they opened their mouth wide against me, and said, Aha, aha, our eye hath seen it. This thou hast seen, O LORD: keep not silence: O Lord, be not far from me.(This one is for you Faithful)Psa 94:8-10 Understand, ye brutish among the people: and ye fools, when will ye be wise? He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see? He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?Pro 7:2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. Pro 10:10 He that winketh with the eye causeth sorrow: but a prating fool shall fall. Pro 20:8-12 A king that sitteth in the throne of judgment scattereth away all evil with his eyes. Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin? Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD. Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right. The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them. Pro 22:8-11 He that soweth iniquity shall reap vanity: and the rod of his anger shall fail. He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor. Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease. He that loveth pureness of heart, for the grace of his lips the king shall be his friend.Pro 23:5-8 Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven. Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats: For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.Pro 28:21-23 To have respect of persons is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress. He that hasteth to be rich hath an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him. He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue. Ecc 1:8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.Isa 52:8 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the LORD shall bring again Zion. Lam 1:16 For these things I weep; mine eye, mine eye runneth down with water, because the comforter that should relieve my soul is far from me: my children are desolate, because the enemy prevailed.Lam 2:18 Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the apple of thine eye cease. Lam 3:51 Mine eye affecteth mine heart ...Eze 9:4-5 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Zec 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye. Zec 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.Mat 6:22-23 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:Now Wouldn't These Verses Be More Appropriate? --------- Would you like me to name more and give the context?
 

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I sincerely hope you are not instigating that the 'evil eye' has any connection to God or that of his servants?Psalm 32:8-98.I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye. 9.Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
1 Sam 24:10 Behold, this day thine eyes have seen how that the LORD had delivered thee to day into mine hand in the cave: and some bade me kill thee: but mine eye spared thee; and I said, I will not put forth mine hand against my lord; for he is the LORD'S anointed.
David clearly showing that what he did was in keeping with his knowledge of God and his will clearly kept in his sightand not that of those who would seek to kill Saul.The verse from Job showed that he had done nothing to provoke these people in that he knew himself and what God expected.Jesus spoke not an eye for an eye but resist evil, let them slap the other cheek if they take your shirt then give them your coat too.To do the will of God is surely not to learn about the evil eye. For what has the eye of God and believers in common with the evil eye.It does not exist, it is superstition.
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If it has nothing to do with the Bible, why is it in there? I chose not to have anymore discussions with with you Faithful. Your to closed minded. Like I said, If your just gonna quote verses, misapply them, not talk about the context of the subject, BYE!
 

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If it has nothing to do with the Bible, why is it in there? I chose not to have anymore discussions with with you Faithful. Your to closed minded. Like I said, If your just gonna quote verses, misapply them, not talk about the context of the subject, BYE!
The 'Evil eye' is not in the bible 'glance' believed to have the ability to cause injury or death to those on whom it falls; children and animals are thought to be particularly susceptible. Belief in the evil eye is ancient and ubiquitous: it occurred in ancient Greece and Rome; is found in Jewish, Islamic, Buddhist, and Hindu traditions and in folk cultures and preliterate societies; and has persisted…We know what Christ taught about manmade traditions.Also Luke 10:19 (King James Version)19.Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.Why do you think we do not teach about Baal or Asherah? Both mentioned in the bible, not because they are real but because men were evil enough to worship false Gods and believe in false superstition.Do you teach your children not to walk under ladders or throw salt over their shoulder if they spill it. No! So what has the evil eye to do with truth and the love of God in Christ Jesus. Nada.I can see the dust and the big yellow stripe.
 
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The 'Evil eye' is not in the bible
Pro 23:5-8 Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven. Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats: For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.Pro 28:21-23 To have respect of persons is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress. He that hasteth to be rich hath an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him. He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue. Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:Then what's this?
 

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Pro 23:5-8 Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven. Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats: For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.Pro 28:21-23 To have respect of persons is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress. He that hasteth to be rich hath an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him. He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue. Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:Then what's this?
double standards. Knifes you in the back whilst shaking your hand.Proverbs 4:23 (King James Version)23.Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.Proverbs 23:5-8 (King James Version) 5.Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven. 6.Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats: 7.For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. 8.The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.In other words they say one thing but really mean another.So whilst making you welcome they are actually hiding the real evil they have in their hearts. Nothing to do with superstition. Certainly nothing to do with making evil befall a person with a glance.Bloody is in the bible but it isn't a swear word.!!!!
 
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So, now your saying, you believe there is an Evil eye?http://thinkexist.com/quotes/with/keyword/evil_eye/Esther 8 & 9: “Then the king held out the golden sceptre toward Esther. So Esther arose, and stood before the king, And said, If it please the king, and if I have favour in his sight, and the thing seem right before the king, and I be pleasing in his eyes, let it be written to reverse the letters devised by Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, which he wrote to destroy the Jews which are in all the king's provinces: For how can I endure to see the evil that shall come unto my people? or how can I endure to see the destruction of my kindred? Then the king Ahasuerus said unto Esther the queen and to Mordecai the Jew, Behold, I have given Esther the house of Haman, and him they have hanged upon the gallows, because he laid his hand upon the Jews.”
 

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So, now your saying, you believe there is an Evil eye?http://thinkexist.com/quotes/with/keyword/evil_eye/Esther 8 & 9: “Then the king held out the golden sceptre toward Esther. So Esther arose, and stood before the king, And said, If it please the king, and if I have favour in his sight, and the thing seem right before the king, and I be pleasing in his eyes, let it be written to reverse the letters devised by Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, which he wrote to destroy the Jews which are in all the king's provinces: For how can I endure to see the evil that shall come unto my people? or how can I endure to see the destruction of my kindred? Then the king Ahasuerus said unto Esther the queen and to Mordecai the Jew, Behold, I have given Esther the house of Haman, and him they have hanged upon the gallows, because he laid his hand upon the Jews.”
What I am saying is the 'evil eye' of the bible is not the 'evil eye' in superstition which you are wanting to discuss.The 'Evil eye' is not in the bible 'glance' believed to have the ability to cause injury or death to those on whom it falls; children and animals are thought to be particularly susceptible. Belief in the evil eye is ancient and ubiquitous: it occurred in ancient Greece and Rome; is found in Jewish, Islamic, Buddhist, and Hindu traditions and in folk cultures and preliterate societies; and has persisted…We know what Christ taught about manmade traditions.The above is the superstitious evil eye and the one in the bible is not the above.
 
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What I am saying is the 'evil eye' of the bible is not the 'evil eye' in superstition which you are wanting to discuss.
I never said that. All I did was post an interesting article on the evil eye which happens to be in the Bible. Which you've just admitted. Whether, you believe they are true by your standards or by a definition you give them, is not my problem. I was merely pointing out the fact they exist. This maybe, one of the oldest superstitions of man, in fact. Esther is a perfect example of this vain eye of jealous, Though it did backfire for Haman. The fact that the from King down to ordinary citizens recognizedit as real, says something.You shoulda also known this is also a "Figure of Speech" according to Bullinger.evil eye. Fig. Catachresis. (Ap.6). Denoting envy, which proceeds out of the heart. Thefts, covetous desires, wickednesses, guile, licentiousness [indecent conduct], an evil eye [envy], evil speaking in general, haughtiness, foolishness:A "Figure of speech" relates to the form in which the words are used. It consists in the fact that a word or words are used out of their ordinary sense, or place, or manner, for the purpose of attracting our attention to what is thus said. A Figure of speech is a designed and legitimate departure from the laws of language, in order to emphasise what is said. Hence in such Figures we have the Holy Spirit's own marking, so to speak, of His own words. This peculiar form or unusal manner may not be true, or so true, to the literal meaning of the words; but it is more true to their real sense, and truer to the truth. Figures are never used but for the sake of emphasis. They cannever, therefore, be ignored. Ignorance of Figures of speech has led to the grossest errors, which have been caused either from taking literally what is figurative, or from taking figuratively what is literal.Cat'-a-chres-is; or, IncongruityOne word used for another, contrary to the ordinary usage and meaning of it.1. Of two words, where the meanings are remotely akin (Leviticus 26:30).2. Of two words, where the meanings are different (Exodus 5:21).3. Of one word, where the Greek receives its real meaning by permutation from another language (Genesis 1:5. Matthew 8:6).07451 er ra` rah from 07489; TWOT-2191a, 2191c AV-evil 442, wickedness 59, wicked 25, mischief 21, hurt 20, bad 13, trouble 10, sore 9, affliction 6, ill 5, adversity 4, favoured 3, harm 3, naught 3, noisome 2, grievous 2, sad 2, misc 34; 663 adj 1) bad, evil 1a) bad, disagreeable, malignant 1b) bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery) 1c) evil, displeasing 1d) bad (of its kind-land, water, etc) 1e) bad (of value) 1f) worse than, worst (comparison) 1g) sad, unhappy 1h) evil (hurtful) 1i) bad, unkind (vicious in disposition) 1j) bad, evil, wicked (ethically) 1j1) in general, of persons, of thoughts 1j2) deeds, actions 05869 Nye ` ayin ah'-yin probably a primitive word, Greek 137 Ainwn; TWOT-1612a, 1613; n f/m AV-eye 495, sight 216, seem 19, colour 12, fountain 11, well 11, face 10, pleased + 03190 10, presence 8, displeased + 03415 8, before 8, pleased + 03474 4, conceit 4, think 4, misc 66; 887 1) eye 1a) eye 1a1) of physical eye 1a2) as showing mental qualities 1a3) of mental and spiritual faculties (fig.) 2) spring, fountain
 

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This matter can be settled Doppleganger by the word of God.Look at your last post in comparisson to your others then ask does it represent the word of God or the wisdom and teachings of man.But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.The evil eye of the bible is not the superstition type. If your light is darkness then your darkness is really dark. True ignorance of the teaching of God is listening to a spirit of error rather than listening to Gods Spirit which causes the biggest errors of all in a persons thinking. The word of God is the way of life for me in Christ Jesus.It is to correct and help us in our lives it is not for human ways to show ourselves clever.Christ paid a high price for ourunderstanding we did not earn what we have by Gods grace. It is not because we are super intelligent but that Jesus was selfless and humble seeking Gods will first. And so being taught of God is for others to see we are born of God, and seek only that others should know the truth in love and find their saviour Jesus Christ.Greater is he who is in me than he who is in the world. Christ has already overcome the world and I do not fear tribulation. But I am sad that people do not realise the truth is the way of salvation unto life. The word of God corrects our erriors and helps us live the life God has planned for us.Faithful.
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Your preaching to the Choir, Lady. These were real life events in real time. God recognizes this and through there own "superstitions" he saved his people. Why do I say that? Because they knew Haman had a Jealous Heart and an Evil Eye. God's people sometiimes lack in the things necessary to finish the race on there own. It took a woman, a little faith and common sense to bring Haman down. Sometimes God's people are up against insurmountable odds. Haman was a very cunning and determined man. The fact this took a generations to play out as relating to the cause, is even more interesting. Without the help of God, this "Irony of Ironies" maybe told different. I do this as a scholarly pursuit. The same way, I look at science or evolution. I don't need your fundamentalist trappings. I know theres a God and he sent his Son, who passed the torch to the Comforter. Do you have anything to add along those lines as far as history relating to the Bible, or how myth or legend may relate in some way to it. Nobody's perfect as you, OK! I'm trying to educate myself. But, I'm beginning to think, that frequenting forum discussions, is the stupidist thing to do. If not, please don't bother me with your monotonous lines. I get what your saying, been there done that!
 

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This matter can be settled Doppleganger by the word of God.Look at your last post in comparisson to your others then ask does it represent the word of God or the wisdom and teachings of man.But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.The evil eye of the bible is not the superstition type. If your light is darkness then your darkness is really dark. True ignorance of the teaching of God is listening to a spirit of error rather than listening to Gods Spirit which causes the biggest errors of all in a persons thinking. The word of God is the way of life for me in Christ Jesus.It is to correct and help us in our lives it is not for human ways to show ourselves clever.Christ paid a high price for ourunderstanding we did not earn what we have by Gods grace. It is not because we are super intelligent but that Jesus was selfless and humble seeking Gods will first. And so being taught of God is for others to see we are born of God, and seek only that others should know the truth in love and find their saviour Jesus Christ.Greater is he who is in me than he who is in the world. Christ has already overcome the world and I do not fear tribulation. But I am sad that people do not realise the truth is the way of salvation unto life. The word of God corrects our erriors and helps us live the life God has planned for us.Faithful.
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Excuse me faithful but I would like to butt in.I don't mean to take sides but dapple is only expressing his findings and he has right to defend his faith. The way you are going about does not seem to be so kind. It sounds so condescending.love, hitomi
 

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Hi Faithful1,If you re-read my posts you will see doppleganger had twisted or misunderstood my posts. I will give you an example.
The 'Evil eye' is not in the bible 'glance' believed to have the ability to cause injury or death to those on whom it falls; children and animals are thought to be particularly susceptible. Belief in the evil eye is ancient and ubiquitous: it occurred in ancient Greece and Rome; is found in Jewish, Islamic, Buddhist, and Hindu traditions and in folk cultures and preliterate societies; and has persisted…
When I said the evil eye is not in the bible I clearly give the definition of what I am talking about 'Glance' believed to have the ability to cause injury or death to those on whom it falls. Where is this in the bible?example doppleganger.
08-22-2007 07:59 AM ÐøÞÞlégäñgèr Quote:The 'Evil eye' is not in the bible Pro 23:5-8 Wilt thou set thine eyes upon that which is not? for riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven. Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats: For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.Pro 28:21-23 To have respect of persons is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress. He that hasteth to be rich hath an evil eye, and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him. He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue. Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:Then what's this?
If you re-read the posts I have been clear about to which I was referring and have been attacked by doppleganger not vice versa. The evil eye of superstition is not the evil eye of the bible.And if you read the posts I have said what the evil eye of the bible is.Just like someone cleaning the outside of his cup but neglecting to clean the inner. Only God knows the heart.
Ignorance of Figures of speech has led to the grossest errors, which have been caused either from taking literally what is figurative, or from taking figuratively what is literal.
A evil eye in a person means even the good he appears to do is done from an evil motive. If you go back to Dopplegangers original post you can see he was clearly referring to the superstitious 'evil eye' which is the 'glance' not in the bible. Envy is a sin in itself and something not born of the Spirit. I hope it is clearer now. Love Faithful.
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Your preaching to the Choir, Lady. These were real life events in real time. God recognizes this and through there own "superstitions" he saved his people. Why do I say that? Because they knew Haman had a Jealous Heart and an Evil Eye. God's people sometiimes lack in the things necessary to finish the race on there own. It took a woman, a little faith and common sense to bring Haman down. Sometimes God's people are up against insurmountable odds. Haman was a very cunning and determined man. The fact this took a generations to play out as relating to the cause, is even more interesting. Without the help of God, this "Irony of Ironies" maybe told different. I do this as a scholarly pursuit. The same way, I look at science or evolution. I don't need your fundamentalist trappings. I know theres a God and he sent his Son, who passed the torch to the Comforter. Do you have anything to add along those lines as far as history relating to the Bible, or how myth or legend may relate in some way to it. Nobody's perfect as you, OK! I'm trying to educate myself. But, I'm beginning to think, that frequenting forum discussions, is the stupidist thing to do. If not, please don't bother me with your monotonous lines. I get what your saying, been there done that!
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Your preaching to the Choir, Lady. These were real life events in real time. God recognizes this and through there own "superstitions" he saved his people. Why do I say that? Because they knew Haman had a Jealous Heart and an Evil Eye. God's people sometiimes lack in the things necessary to finish the race on there own. It took a woman, a little faith and common sense to bring Haman down. Sometimes God's people are up against insurmountable odds. Haman was a very cunning and determined man. The fact this took a generations to play out as relating to the cause, is even more interesting. Without the help of God, this "Irony of Ironies" maybe told different. I do this as a scholarly pursuit. The same way, I look at science or evolution. I don't need your fundamentalist trappings. I know theres a God and he sent his Son, who passed the torch to the Comforter. Do you have anything to add along those lines as far as history relating to the Bible, or how myth or legend may relate in some way to it. Nobody's perfect as you, OK! I'm trying to educate myself. But, I'm beginning to think, that frequenting forum discussions, is the stupidist thing to do. If not, please don't bother me with your monotonous lines. I get what your saying, been there done that!
The reason Esther and Mordecai faced Haman was due to the fact Satan was trying to destroy the birthline of Christ. You see the Jews of Persia at the time of Esther were the ancestors of Christ.So if they had be exterminated how could Christ have been born???The festival of purim is celebrated in memory of God saving them.As you can see the knowledge I have does not see the superstition of your writings and understandings. It sees the actions of God Almighty keeping his promises to his people throughout history and working his purpose through.I am a jewess of the matrilineal line, my grandmother on the maternal side had parents who were both Jews. Both messiah believing Jews. I was raised believing what God says. I know my messiah Jesus and I know my God YHWH is real. I am who I am in God through Jesus Christ. Whatever words you want to call me or whatever insult you wish to convey I know it is not of God. And note I do not do likewise because I know whom it is I trust.
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