Does the bible prohibit a woman from being a "pastor"?

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

dragonfly

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2012
1,882
141
63
UK
:huh: 'My Bible says" "The End of the Prophets" at the end of the Old Testament. Stay away from people who claim to be prophets people.'


Maybe you should spend a little more time in the New Testament?

Anyway, I thought you said you aren't a cessationist. Just for starters, what about Ephesians 4:11 - and v 16 - about 'the Church'?
 

Watchwithme

New Member
Jul 20, 2012
125
3
0
57
Anyway, I thought you said you aren't a cessationist. Just for starters, what about Ephesians 4:11 - and v 16 - about 'the Church'?

The scripture says he GAVE some....Past tense, oo, does do yu also have apostles in your church????

I like this verse A LOT!


copyChkboxOff.gif
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


Ah well, I suppose I can only blame myself for walking into this den of vipers. What I'd do for a knotted rope right now!
 

dragonfly

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2012
1,882
141
63
UK
Hi Watchwithme,

Of course it says 'He gave some', past tense, because Paul is making an observation about the Church of Jesus Christ (as opposed to the church in the wilderness) and he's talking about men and women who are prophesying in assemblies because they have already been given by God to the church to minister in this way. 1 Corinthians 14:31, 1 Corinthians 13:2.
 

Episkopos

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2011
12,824
19,301
113
65
Montreal
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
The scripture says he GAVE some....Past tense, oo, does do yu also have apostles in your church????

I like this verse A LOT!


copyChkboxOff.gif
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


Ah well, I suppose I can only blame myself for walking into this den of vipers. What I'd do for a knotted rope right now!


Was Agabus not a prophet? Wasn't the church in Antioch founded by prophets and teachers? Are we not to have prophets speak in the gatherings?

1Co_14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.


Act_15:32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.

Act_13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

Act_11:27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch.


Act_21:10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus.
 

dragonfly

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2012
1,882
141
63
UK
Hi Kidron,

Talk about moving the goalposts!!! You're thread is about whether women pastors are biblical, and now you bring in women teachers?

These are two completely different kinds of ministry, Ephesians 4:11, and men are not even expected to be both (although occasionally some are - and I do mean both men and women are occasionally called as both pastors and teachers.)
 

Axehead

New Member
May 9, 2012
2,222
205
0
I'm not a cessationist then. Im not sure the Holy Spirits ministry will ever cease. Tongues cease, propehesy ceases. Quite scriptural.

1Co_13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

If prophecies and tongues have ceased, has knowledge ceased as well? Sorry, to get off on a rabbit trail.

Getting back on topic.

As a said before, pastoring is a gift of shepherding and watching after God's "little ones" and when you live in a Communist country and they have locked up all the men, God indeed uses mature sisters in Christ to help shepherd, guide, and comfort his flock.If you have never heard of that, I recommend you read "Tortured for Christ" by Richard Wurmbrand. That book is free on www.persecution.com.

Afterall, the Great Shepherd has the ability by His Spirit to impart His Shepherd's heart to sisters, too. I know pastoring has become known as an "administrative" job over a religious organization, but it is nothing of the sort. The Body of Christ is not an organization but rather a living organism. Within the Body of Christ there are many with the gift of pastoring who have had the heart of a shepherd imparted to them by the Holy Spirit. This has nothing to do with Teachers in Eph 4;11. Notice, they are separate giftings, although there are servants of God that have both giftings.

Axehead
 

dragonfly

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2012
1,882
141
63
UK
Hi Axehead,

Watchwithme appears to have decided to leave this forum, so he won't be able to answer your question. I do know he believes in the Holy Spirit.
 

Kidron

New Member
Jun 27, 2012
158
8
0
Hi Kidron,

Talk about moving the goalposts!!! You're thread is about whether women pastors are biblical, and now you bring in women teachers?

These are two completely different kinds of ministry, Ephesians 4:11, and men are not even expected to be both (although occasionally some are - and I do mean both men and women are occasionally called as both pastors and teachers.)
Hi Kidron,

Talk about moving the goalposts!!! You're thread is about whether women pastors are biblical, and now you bring in women teachers?

These are two completely different kinds of ministry, Ephesians 4:11, and men are not even expected to be both (although occasionally some are - and I do mean both men and women are occasionally called as both pastors and teachers.)


Women are not "called" as pastors according to Paul.

And i was pointing out that Paul said that HE does not allow a woman to teach.

and finally Dfly, where you get the idea that a man is not a part of the 5 fold "teacher" ministry??????, is im certain, food for a very good future post.
give it a shot.




K
 

dragonfly

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2012
1,882
141
63
UK
Hi Kidron,

and finally Dfly, where you get the idea that a man is not a part of the 5 fold "teacher" ministry??????

The five-fold ministry is not all teachers, is it? Please read my post again?

I was saying that being a pastor, or being a teacher, are two different giftings to the Church, and God doesn't often ask a man to do both - because each is a full time whole-person gift; it is enough to be one or the other.

I acknowledged that God may ask a man to do both, just as He may ask a woman to be a pastor, or even (I know you disagree.) a pastor and a teacher. Fyi, this is not my preferred option, but as I've expressed earlier in the thread, God has disobedient men standing in His way sometimes, and a godly woman might be the most faithful servant available.

It is not up to us to figure out who should have which ministry. Luke 10:2
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Jul 20, 2012
12,259
3,385
113
Mobile, Al.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Greeting to all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Great topic, which need to be answered by the scripture, and wisdom from above.

The question asked. Does the bible prohibit a woman from being a "pastor"?

Answer, NO.

it's been long enough for Christians to be in the dark concerning this topic, and we need to vindicate the bible and the apostle Paul. Because they both have been simply, misunderstood


The scriptures have been before our face and on our lips all the time, but hidden, until now. yes, Joel 2:28, that's the verse. but to see the revelation clearly I'll use 4 other book of the Holy Bible. to some this will be nothing new to them. but now the scriptural reference is presented for all to see. in other words we now have scripture to stand on.

Teaching Scriptures: Old Testament: Jeremiah 3:15, Joel 2:28 & 29.

New Testament: Ephesian 4:11-15, Acts 2:1-4, Act 2:16-18, 1 Corinthians 12-4-11.

Starting with, Jeremiah 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding". here we see in the old testament pastors are given, they are given to feed the flock of God with knowledge and understanding. what about the new testament?.

Ephesian 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesian 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:


Now we know what Pastors are given for, onto to Joel 2:28.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy*, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

we have a promise from God according to the prophet Joel. And this promise was fulfilled at Pentecost, now, onto Acts 2:1-4.

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The Apostles are speaking in other tongues. hold that thought. forward to Acts 2:16

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; (here the apostle Peter is clearly identifying that what is happening here at Pentecost, is that which was spoke/foretold by the prophet Joel).

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy*”. this is the fulfillment of Joel 2:28-29 on the day of Pentecost.

Question, if this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel, then I have a question?. why is the Apostle Peter speaking in other tongues. is there anything in Joel 2:28 saying anything about speaking in other tongues?, YES. lets look a little closer, with wisdom from God. what is listed in Joel 2:28 &29?, can you agree, that, 1. prophesy, 2. dream, 3. visions, are mention, correct?. so why are they speaking with other tongues on the of Pentecost?. Remember, Peter stated that this is that spoken by the prophet Joel. Well here is the answer: Act 2:4 “And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance”. so now we can see why Peter was speaking in other tongues. it was the gift of the Holy Spirit that did it.

Question, what are the gifts of the Holy Spirit?. are his gifts only limited to 3 mention in Joel 2:28. prophesy, dream, and visions. remember, Peter said, “this is that”, which was spoken by the prophet Joel. scripture cannot lie, or be broken. lets look at all of the Gifts of the spirit.


1 Corinthians Chapter 12, verses 4-11

1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; (stop, is not this the gift that Peter used on Pentecost!. lets go on), to another the interpretation of tongues:

1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

now look at verse 8 of chapter 12 here in 1 Corinthians. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit. now what is a word of wisdom**, the scriptures didn't say what is wisdom, but the word of wisdom. it means understanding, see the definitions below at the end of this reply. Now, we have the gifts of knowledge and the gift of understanding. lets look again at what God said in Jeremiah 3:15, "And I will give, (gift), you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding". there you have it. Pastoring is a gift of God, it's a work of the ministering gifts listed in 1 Corinthians chapter 12, (see above). the person who receive these gifts, or gift, receive the Gift of God by his Spirit to empower them with knowledge and understanding to do a work. And what is this work?. Jer 3:15 "And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding". Pastors are to feed the flock of God. The person is not the pastor, but the Spirit that is in them is the pastor, it is the gift of God, the Holy Spirit.

Now that the gifts of the Holy Spirit have been establish. the connection between the gifts promised in Joel and their realization and their use in Acts chapter 2 and theirs listing in 1 Corinthians 12 is confirmed., and is plain and clear. now what's left to understand is how do the female come into play with these gifts. since the Apostle Peter stated that, "this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel" , Question, who qualify for these Gifts. lets see, Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions": There it is, both men, (Sons), and women, (daughters). for the gifts of the Holy Spirit id for all, including males as well as females. the scriptures states, Daughters, seem like that's a female to me. and the scripture cannot be broken. but wait, who else?. also upon the servants and upon the handmaids. see Mary sermon in Luke 1:39-56, and Mary was a handmaid ain’t God Good, he is for everybody who answer his call. Supporting scripture, Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call”.so we see, male, female, married and non married can receive the Gift which is the Holy Spirit, that give gifts. for God is no respecter's of person. now to the book of Romans Chapter 16 verse 1. I commend unto you Phebe our sister (female), which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea. if I'm not mistaken Phebe is a female, and a servant. but there are many others females who are preachers, teachers, ministry workers.

So, can a female be a Pastor?, YES, I have given you scripture, plain and clear. Scripture cannot lie.




Word Power, Definitions

* Prophesy this is a Hebrew word, H5012 נָבָא naba' (naw-baw') v.
1. to prophesy, i.e. speak (or sing) by inspiration (in prediction or simple discourse)
[a primitive root]
KJV: prophesy(-ing), make self a prophet.
 
discourse-noun 1. communication of thought by words; talk; conversation: earnest and intelligent discourse.
2. a formal discussion of a subject in speech or writing, as a dissertation, treatise, sermon, etc.
3. Linguistics . any unit of connected speech or writing longer than a sentence.
-verb (used without object)
4. to communicate thoughts orally; talk; converse.
5. to treat of a subject formally in speech or writing.
-verb (used with object)
6. to utter or give forth (musical sounds).


Now the New Testament
Noun, G4394, propheteia
signifies the speaking forth of the mind and counsel of God" (pro, "forth," phemi, "to speak: in the NT it is used (a) of the gift.) either of the exercise of the gift or of that which is "prophesied.
"Though much of OT prophecy was purely predictive. prophecy is not necessarily, nor even primarily, fore-telling. It is the declaration of that which cannot be known by natural means". it is the forth-telling of the will of God, whether with reference to the past, the present, or the future. Supportive scripture, Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it". Alright, since John, the kingdom is preach, not foretold, because he and the kingdom is here now, no more need to tell about it coming, because it's here, it have come. Now the commission is to tell of it, preach, or proclaim, that's the good news, called the gospel.


so from the definition we see that Prophesy, is not limited to telling the future, but to speak the mind of God, in layman terms, preaching. all these years where ignorant men boycotted Holy called women from their pulpits, just imagine how may souls could have been saved with women preaching. Matt 9:37 "Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few. 38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest". That prayer is answered.


**Word of Wisdom means understanding. Or Prudence. A, “word of Wisdom is understanding. See definition below.

Wisdom or Prudence:

Wisdom: [ 2,,G5428, phronesis ]

"understanding, prudence," i.e., a right use of phren, "the mind," is translated "wisom" in Luke 1:17. See PRUDENCE.


Note: "While sophia is the insight into the true nature of things, phronesis is the ability to discern modes of action with a view to their results; while sophia is theoretical, phronesis is practical" (Lightfoot). Sunesis, "understanding, intelligence," is the critical faculty; this and phronesis are particular applications of sophia.

Prudence: [ A-1,Noun,G5428, phronesis ]

akin to phroneo, to have understanding" (phren, "the mind"), denotes "practical wisdom, prudence in the management of affairs." It is translated "wisdom" in Luke 1:17; "prudence" in Eph 1:8. See WISDOM.

Prudence: [ A-2,Noun,G4907, sunesis ]

"understanding," is rendered "prudence" in 1Cor 1:19, RV (AV, "understanding"); it suggests quickness of apprehension, the penetrating consideration which precedes action. Cp. B, in the same verse. See KNOWLEDGE, UNDERSTANDING.


If you would note Wisdom and Prudence have the same Greek word. So a word of Wisdom means understanding. Hence, in 1 Corinthians chapter 12 verse 8 is the Pastoral Gift.


I hope this help.


Love and Peace

101G
 

neophyte

Member
Apr 25, 2012
669
12
18
Jesus only ordained men to be in any Faith-Filled Christian clergy. If you want to follow mere men [ and women ] well, then that is your God-giving "free will' to do as you please.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Jul 20, 2012
12,259
3,385
113
Mobile, Al.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Spirit filled Children of the Lord Jesus Christ should follow him only. for the person is only the prophet, but he who is in the prophet is prophecy


My motto is: "where there is knowledge, stay not ignorant".
 

neophyte

Member
Apr 25, 2012
669
12
18
Spirit filled Children of the Lord Jesus Christ should follow him only. for the person is only the prophet, but he who is in the prophet is prophecy


My motto is: "where there is knowledge, stay not ignorant".

From the Bible= No woman was ever a prophet.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Jul 20, 2012
12,259
3,385
113
Mobile, Al.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The word that describe a female prophet is prophetess, but in Christ Jesus there is neither Male, or female. but the role of women leadership role is well documented in the bible.
 

neophyte

Member
Apr 25, 2012
669
12
18
The word that describe a female prophet is prophetess, but in Christ Jesus there is neither Male, or female. but the role of women leadership role is well documented in the bible.

Not one was ever ordained by Christ. Christ as in Christianity.

101G, a sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ. Jesus determines what a sacrament is and who will receive it. As for the priesthood, it is not comparable to religious life. In fact it’s not comparable to any other thing on the earth. It is a share in Christ’s priesthood which he himself established. No one is worthy of it. A Catholic priest actually ministers in the person of Christ. That Jesus ordained only men would be unfair if all human beings had a right to such an honor. The fact is, we don’t.
 

dragonfly

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2012
1,882
141
63
UK
Hi neophyte,

There have been several prophetesses in the Old Testament, and no bar on their prophesying in the New Testament. Who told you
From the Bible= No woman was ever a prophet.

? It is simply not true. And there are sisters in Christ who are prophets, today.
 

neophyte

Member
Apr 25, 2012
669
12
18
Hi neophyte,

There have been several prophetesses in the Old Testament, and no bar on their prophesying in the New Testament. Who told you


? It is simply not true. And there are sisters in Christ who are prophets, today.

Christ never ordained any woman clergy of any type. I follow the ways and Teachings of Christ, as in Christian ,
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Jul 20, 2012
12,259
3,385
113
Mobile, Al.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Women in the Ministry, and in Leadership Roles

Lets see what the scriptures say?.

Study Scripture: Philippians 4 2 "I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord. 3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life".



Teaching Scripture: 1Thess 5:12 "And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you"


lets walk through this verse with the wisdom of Christ.

Commentary: Which labour among you. There is no reason to suppose, as many have done, that the apostle here refers to different classes of ministers, he rather refers to different parts of the work which the same ministers perform. The first is, that they "labour"--that is, evidently, in preaching the gospel. where it occurs twice; 1Cor 15:10; 1Cor 16:16. The word is one which properly expresses wearisome toil, and implies that the office of preaching is one that demands constant industry. And are over you in the Lord. That is, by the appointment of the Lord, or under his direction. They are not absolute sovereigns, but are themselves subject to one who is over them--the Lord Jesus. On the word here rendered "are over you," () Rom 12:8, where it is translated ruleth.


Now lets reinforce this with a second scripture: 1Cor 16:16 "That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with us, and laboureth".

Commentary: and laboureth; in the Lord's vineyard, in the word and doctrine, for the good of souls, and the glory of Christ: for such are worthy of double honour, and ought to be valued and esteemed for their works' sake, and submitted to in everything that is according to the rules of the Gospel. get that again.

Now that it is establish that those who, "Labour", in the Lord is over you, or ruleth.

Please read all of your commentary on this scripture and those listed above.

knowing this, Lets look at 1Thess 5:12 again, but more closely, "And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you"


The word over is very important

Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries

G4291 proistemi (pro-is"'-tay-mee) v.

1. to stand before

2. (in rank) to preside

3. (by implication) to practise

[from G4253 and G2476]

KJV: maintain, be over, rule

Root(s): G4253, G2476



Now lets look at various translation: 1Thess 5:12



Amplified: Now also we beseech you, brethren, get to know those who labor among you [recognize them for what they are, acknowledge and appreciate and respect them all]your leaders who are over you in the Lord and those who warn and kindly reprove and exhort you. (Amplified Bible - Lockman)

KJV: And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

NLT: Dear brothers and sisters, honor those who are your leaders in the Lord's work. They work hard among you and warn you against all that is wrong. (NLT - Tyndale House)

Phillips: We ask you too, my brothers, to get to know those who work so hard among you. They are your spiritual leaders to keep you on the right path. (Phillips: Touchstone)

Wuest: Now, we request of you, brethren, that you recognize those for what they are and as entitled to the respect due them who work to the point of weariness among you and who are in authority over you in the Lord and admonish you,

Young's Literal: And we ask you, brethren, to know those labouring among you, and leading you in the Lord, and admonishing you,



so from the above translation, we can perfectly see that those who labor in the Lord, "HAVE THE RULE OVER YOU". other words they are leaders. please re-read these verses again.



knowing the definition of, "over", This word is very important



now to Roman 16:1 "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: 2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also".



Now, lets look at the word, "succourer", here. according to Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries it's the word,

G4368 prostatis (pros-tat'-is) n.

1. a patroness, i.e. assistant

[feminine of a derivative of G4291]

KJV: succourer

Root(s): G4291


The KJV renders it here as succourer, Why?. this word succourer, (G4368 prostatis), is the feminine of the the proistemi G4291 proistemi, which is for the male in that position. see above, G4291 proistemi (pro-is"'-tay-mee) v. the Word of God must be searched, and research, to find the truth



Now in making that connection, these are those who, "RULE OVER YOU", those meaning the male, G4291 proistemi, and the female, G4368 prostatis, they have the, "RULE OVER YOU), because their appointment is from the Lord. a succourer, (G4368 prostatis), in the book of Romans, was Phebe our sister, which is also a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea. she was a succourer of the Apostle Paul, the feminine of the the proistemi G4291 proistemi, Male. now knowing that, lets go to the book of Philippians 4:2 "I beseech Euodias, and beseech Syntyche, that they be of the same mind in the Lord. 3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life". here the Apostle Paul makes it clear that these women Euodias,and Syntyche, who Labour with him in the Gospel, are not just mere relief worker of the poor, but minister of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. knowing this, meaning you don't have to go and find this out, I have done the leg work for you, knowing this lets see others female ministers of the gospel.

Romans 16:7 " Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me". , Romans 16:12 "Salute Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labour in the Lord. Salute the beloved Persis, which laboured much in the Lord. all of these are women Labours in the Lord.



Hope this help.

101G
 

neophyte

Member
Apr 25, 2012
669
12
18
I'm sorry, but Jesus never ordained any woman.Yes, I agree there are some women that become Catholic nuns / sisters and Eucharistic ministers, but not a woman was ever biblical ordained for a presbyter/ priest or bishop by Jesus or his Apostles