Events to come

I would put it to you, if you are willing to allow for a difference in opinion, that the first four Seals have already been opened. Nothing in the Seal/Scroll account of Revelation chapters 4-11 (exclusive of 11:1-13) stipulates that all the Seals must occur within the time period of the one 'seven.'

The 144,000 listing of tribes does not correspond with any of the OT listings (which have between 10-13 tribes at times).
--- As believers in Christ, and Firstfruits of the Harvest, I think they are of the spiritual Israel Paul was alluding to in Romans.

The 144,000 don't preach either: they stay with the Lamb - Rev 14:4. You may be referring instead to the Two Witnesses who bear testimony and who call down God's Wrath as they so desire.

The one 'seven' is not the "Tribulation Period." I'm a stickler for definitions and this is a common usage which, I think, confuses things. There will be tribulation for us by them, and in return God will cause them tribulation - but "Tribulaiton," as a period of time should only refer to the Great Tribulation which starts at the midpoint abomination and is shortened by the sudden arrival of the unknown Day of the Lord with its sun/moon/star event.

Otherwise, I have no problems with your listing - you asked. Thanks for posting.

Maureen92 said:

Immediately after tribulation- sun darkens, moon turns blood red, stars fall from Heaven, powers of Heaven are shaken. Jesus comes in power and great glory on a white horse. Every eye sees Him. Saved come with Jesus on white horses. Battle of Armageddon happens. He sends angels with a loud trumpet to gather the elect.

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I'm sorry, I don't agree here.

Immediately after the Great Tribulation, the sun/moon/star event (descriptions vary slightly) happens. Jesus then comes with the sign of the Son of Man (which I think is the scrolling of the night sky). When coming for the Elect, He is on the clouds with the Saints from Paradise because the Dead in Christ rise first (from where their souls are - not their particular graves: most don't have "graves").

The coming of Jesus on His white horse happens at the end of the one 'seven' as He and His army (which would include the 144,000 since they never leave His side) when He rides out to win the world from the anti-Christ at Armageddon. I put it to you that Jesus does not need billions of Saints to take on hundreds of millions of battle-tested soldiers. He is cheered on as He proceeds out of Heaven by the "sound of a Great Multitude." We are well-wishers cheering on our Champion!

Maureen92 said:

Hello. I decided to list everything that is to happen from what I read in Revelation. Some things I am confused with. Are the seals, trumpets, and bowls at the same time? When the sun, moon, and stars darken after the 6th seal, is that the event of Jesus coming back? Revelation makes it seem like Jesus comes back after the plagues though.

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You're on the right track, and evidently it's because you're discerning the events of the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials and their relation. That's good. But don't forget Bible study in the OT prophets where more of the actual 'details' are given about the Revelation events.

Here is my list. I would like corrections please. Thank you.

1[sup]st[/sup] seal- antichrist

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Yes; contrast against Christ's coming on a white horse in Rev.19.


[quote]Days shortened for elect's sake (saved). Flee to the wilderness.[/quote]

The Rev.12:7-17 event is 5-6th Trumpet, 5th-6th Seal, 6th Vial timing. One could say Rev.12:7-9 fits the midpoint of the final "one week" of Daniel 9, after the first half of the "one week" is over. The fleeing into the wilderness for a period of 1260 days represents a temporary period of protection upon Christ's elect in prep for the "great tribulation" period that will occur in the second half of the "one week", lasing for 1260 days (but shortend by Christ per Matt.24). Study the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period Scriptures, along with the 6th Vial and Rev.13:11 forward (Rev.9; Rev.11; Rev.13; Rev.16).

[quote]2[sup]nd[/sup] seal- war[/quote]

Red horse, Yep. Remember Jesus said that as long as there are wars and rumours of wars, the end... is not yet. The very end, i.e., tribulation time, will be a time of world peace (getting pretty close today), the "Peace and safety" Paul warned us of in 1 Thess.5.


[quote]3[sup]rd[/sup] seal- famine[/quote]

Black horse - balances of commerce, famine. Collapse of nation's economies to bring in the new one-world economy. Pretty much there today, almost complete. Famine also about many looking everywhere for The Word of God and not finding it, per Book of Amos. Idea of the 'oil' and 'wine' not to be hurt is symbolic of Christ's elect still ordained to have God's Word and The Holy Spirit to understand the endtime events. (Oil=Holy Spirit; Wine=Truth of God's Word.)


[quote]4[sup]th[/sup] seal- death[/quote]

Pale horse; Satan given power over the forth part of the earth, to destroy with the sword (especially spiritual death through propaganda); with hunger (famine again, both literal and spiritual); with death (spiritual death especially, deception to the one-world beast system); and with beasts of the field (the natural brute beasts of 2 Pet.2:12 and Jude 1:10, i.e., certain group of men that serve the Devil in setting up the one-world system for false messiah's coming).


[quote]5[sup]th[/sup] seal- mark is enforced in order to buy and sell and is implanted on hands and foreheads. Christians martyred for not taking the mark of the beast. DO NOT TAKE THE MARK. YOU WILL BE DAMNED TO HELL.[/quote]

6th Trumpet events of the "great tribulation" period, some of Christ's elect to be delivered up to councils and synagogues of Satan to give a Testimony and Witness against them by The Holy Spirit (Mark 13).


[quote]6[sup]th[/sup] seal- earthquake, sun becomes black, moon becomes blood red, stars fall out of sky, heaven departs like a scroll when it's folded, mountains and islands move, people hide in the mountains[/quote]

Combined Rev.12:7-17 events all the way up to the 7th Trumpet when Christ returns on the "day of the Lord" to end the tribulation and gather us.


[quote]God seals 144,000 Jews. [/quote]

144,000 Israelites, not just Jews. The Jews represent only the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, those from the "house of Judah" which God separated apart from the ten tribes of Israel, or "house of Israel" (see 1 Kings 11 through 2 Kings 17, and the Minor prophets, and pay close attention to the difference between labels like Ephraim, house of Joseph, house of Israel, kingdom of Israel, etc., after the split. Also note this difference in Ezekiel 37 when God will re-join both houses of Israel back together at Christ's return).

Along with the 144,000 of Israel being sealed, the "great multitude" of Gentiles are sealed with God's seal too. That's specifically what the Rev.7 chapter is about, i.e., the sealing by God of His servants in prep for the "great tribulation". The main difference of description there is that we're given a future look at those Gentiles standing before Christ's throne on Zion, which means they were sealed also and overcome the tribulation by Christ's Blood.


[quote]Trumpet sounds. Rapture occurs- dead in Christ rise first, then alive in Christ rise. Judgment seat of Christ.[/quote]

7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe; 7th Vial, 6th-7th Seal timing. End of this present world, "day of the Lord", change of all on earth at the "twinkling of an eye" on the "last trump" (See Isaiah 25 along with 1 Cor.15), The Father and Son inherit all the kingdoms of this world. Christ gathers His elect servants to Jerusalem on earth to the Mount of Olives. The Heavenly revealed here... on this earth. The wicked severed from the just. The establishing of the "outer darkness" for the wicked outside the gates of the Holy City on earth. Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect beings; His Millennium Sanctuary established in Jerusalem on earth. All that begins with the time of Christ's second coming and His being established upon David's throne on earth.


[quote]Multitudes of people stand before the Lord and His throne, praising Him.[/quote]

That won't occur until after... Christ's return. The Rev.7:9 to end view is a future forward look for after Christ has returned and after His gathering of His Church. It won't occur unti the 7th Trumpet - 7th Vial.


[quote]7[sup]th[/sup] seal- silence in Heaven, God's wrath- the saved don't go through this.[/quote]

With the opening of the 7th Seal, there is a pause of half an hour. Per Rev.10, Christ showed John that when the 7th angel sounds, the mystery of God should be finished. Christ was giving only 7 Signs in His Olivet Discourse of Matt.24 and Mark 13. The very last 7th Sign He gave was His coming and our gathering to Him. The 6th-7th Seals represent that completeness. The pause represents a change to another vision was being given with the Vials.


[quote]If you aren't saved, you will go through the 7 trumpet plagues.[/quote]

Got a problem, because Christ's coming isn't until the 7th Trumpet -3rd Woe timing of Rev.11. Christ's Church (us) will go through all these 7 Trumpets (and also the 6 Vials period too).


[quote]1[sup]st[/sup] trumpet- hail and fire mingled with blood, 3[sup]rd[/sup] part of trees burn up, green grass burn up.[/quote]

Per Mark 8:24, trees are comparable to men. In the OT (like Psalms 103:15; Isaiah 40:6, etc.), grass is also used to compare to people. It's in the spiritual death sense. And the tool is their lies that come out of the world system's change agents which began centuries ago.


[quote]2[sup]nd[/sup] trumpet- mountain burning of fire cast into sea, 3[sup]rd[/sup] part of the sea becomes blood, 3[sup]rd[/sup] part of the sea creatures die, 3[sup]rd[/sup] part of ships destroyed.[/quote]

Per Rev.13:1 and Rev.17:15, Christ defined to John what the 'waters' represent. They represent peoples, tongues, nations, and multitudes. These symbols are given mostly in the spiritual sense about spiritual death and destruction. The main death for the tribulation time, since it's to be a time of world peace, is a spiritual death by deceptions. Thus a third of the trees, grasses, creatures in the sea (people), etc., is about the deceptions put upon them because of their following wickedness.


[quote]3[sup]rd[/sup] trumpet- star from Heaven called Wormwood falls onto 3[sup]rd[/sup] part of rivers and fountains of water. Water becomes bitter. Many men die of the waters.[/quote]

See the Study at Iron Mountain, which was a study done back in the 1960's to determine what kind of world deception must be used to replace the idea of war once it's time for the world peace. One of the scenarios proposed was to allow pollution to become a problem to replace the idea of war. They looked at war as a necessary means for balance of the world population and stability among the nations, and that something of equal status must replace it before their plan for world peace could come into effect. Since then, a balance has been brought back, so I believe this Trumpet is pretty much sounded, just as the 1st Trumpet.


[quote]4[sup]th[/sup] trumpet- 3[sup]rd[/sup] part of the sun is smitten, 3[sup]rd[/sup] part of the moon, 3[sup]rd[/sup] part of stars. Become darkened.[/quote]

I believe this is referring an increase in the number of solar and lunar eclipses happening towards the end. Others here can probably give us more specifics about those eclipses.


[quote]5[sup]th[/sup] trumpet- star falls from heaven and opens bottomless pit. Smoke comes out. Sun and air are darkened by the smoke. Locusts come out of the smoke and hurt only the people who aren't sealed. The locusts don't kill them but torture them for 5 months. [/quote]

Events of the 5th and 6th Trumpets are linked together, since the locusts are still being described in the 6th Trumpet. Note the actual period of slaying of a third of men happens in the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period. The 5th Trumpet represents the locust's preparation to do that slaying, setting the foundation for deception upon one third in prep for the 6th Trumpet events. The locusts are described as "a nation" in the Book of Joel coming upon God's people; God sends them and even calls them His "great army" in Joel 2. Fire and brimstone comes out of their 'mouths', which is symbolic of lying words that cause deception. They represent the beasts of the 4th Seal, false workers, Satan's disguised ministers of righteousness. This is where we are today, and the deceptions by the fire and brimstone lies out of their mouths are causing great destruction among the deceived of Christ's Church.


[quote]6[sup]th[/sup] trumpet- 200,000,000 are loosed from the river Euphrates to slay the 3[sup]rd[/sup] part of men.
The unsaved still don't repent.[/quote]

The two hundred thousand, thousand army are the locusts described on the 5th Trumpet and in the Book of Joel. They do not represent a literal military army. They represent Satan's hosts on earth setting up the one-world beast kingdom of Rev.13. This is when they are officially loosed along with the dragon to cause the time of "great tribulation" on the earth, persecuting those of Christ's servants who refuse to bow to the false messiah and his mark.

Notice how the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe events are linked to the 6th Vial of Rev.16. Christ has still not returned to gather us at this point. This is the height of the "great tribulation" period, the event of Rev.12:7-9, the temple of Rev.11:1-2 established with false worship going on inside it, and the Gentiles being given to tread its outer courts for 42 months. It's the time of God's "two witnesses" appearing to give their testimony for 1260 days, and then being killed by the beast that ascends up out of the bottomless pit (Satan). It's the time of the dragon given power to work for 42 months per Rev.13.


[quote]The 144,000 preach for 1,260 days- the last 3.5 years of the tribulation. They get power from God so men can't hurt them. When they finish their testimony, they are killed. Their dead bodies will lay in the street for 3.5 days. After, the spirit of God enters them and they get up. God calls them up to Heaven. Earthquake happens, 10[sup]th[/sup] part of the city falls, 7,000 men killed in earthquake. Remnant gives glory to God.[/quote]

Rev.11 declares two men, which will literally be two men as the "two witnesses". But the idea of two candlesticks is mentioned along with them. Per Rev.1:20 the candlesticks represent the churches. Thus 2 Churches out of the 7 Churches will be making a stand with God's "two witnesses". That may include the 144,000 and the "great multitude" of Rev.7:9. Many simply are not going to go for the beast system's reign and mark.


[quote]7[sup]th[/sup] trumpet- elders worship God. Nations are angry because they will be judged. Temple of God is opened in Heaven, temple of ark of His testament is seen, lightning, thunder, voices, earthquake, hail.[/quote]

This is the time of Christ's second coming and our gathering to Him. It's the "last trump" event of 1 Cor.15, and the trump of 1 Thess.4. All the kingdoms of the earth become those of God and His Christ at this point. This is when His cup of wrath on the "day of the Lord" is poured out poured out upon the nations having been gathered together for that purpose (Zeph.3).

[quote]Plagues are poured out.

1[sup]st[/sup] plague- noisome and grievous sore on unsaved.
2[sup]nd[/sup] plague- sea becomes blood, sea creatures die.
3[sup]rd[/sup] plague- Rivers and fountains of water become blood. Angels praise God for righteous judgments.
4[sup]th[/sup] plague- sun scorches men with fire. Men still don't repent.
5[sup]th[/sup] plague- beast's kingdom is in pain.

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In Jeremiah, God made comparisons with the gathering of Israel in the end with the event of His leading Israel out of Egypt. The commissions of His "two witnesses" are in the offices of Elijah and Moses (not saying that's who they will be). The plauges are in parallel through God's "two witnesses" of Rev.11 within the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period. This is why the nations will rejoice when the two witnesses are killed and left laying in the plaza at Jerusalem.


[quote]6[sup]th[/sup] plague- River Euphrates dries up. Battle of Armageddon is being prepared.[/quote]

Christ gives a warning to His Church (still on earth) to keep their garments because His coming will be "as a thief" (Rev.16:15). Many miss this verse that occurs within the 6th Vial timing. Note the unclean spirits out of the MOUTH of the dragon, and the beast, and the false prophet are active during this 6th Vial. It's means the Rev.13 beast kingdom is still in operation on earth, not yet destroyed, because Christ has not returned yet at this point.

On this 6th Vial is when Satan's host and the army out of the northern quarters per Ezekiel 38 & 39 will determine to come upon Israel to completely destroy, both Israel in the West and Israel in the middleast.


[quote]7[sup]th[/sup] plague- God says it is done. Voices, thunder, lightning, great earthquake, city divided into 3 parts, cities of the nations fall, islands and mountains flee, hail, Babylon comes onto scene and is destroyed.
Praises to God for destroying the whore.[/quote]

This is 7th Trumpet - 6th & 7th Seal timing when our Lord Jesus returns to defeat those great armies coming out of the northern quarters upon Israel, and gathers us to Jerusalem (on earth). It's when the vail put over all faces and nations for this world time will be suddenly removed, at an instant. It's when all on earth are changed to the "spiritual body" of Paul, both the just and the unjust. The idea of flesh death will forever be over at this point, only the "second death" remaining for those not gathered by Christ Jesus. Christ's "thousand years" reign with His elect begins at this point.

Maureen92 said:

Hey. Thanks. If you don't mind, can you make a chronological list of everything you said and post it here?

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I was following the chronological listing that you gave.

The easiest alignment between events given in the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials are with the last 3 of each.

The plagues of the Rev.16 Vials parallel the plagues upon Egypt which God worked through Moses. Antichrist comes on the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period, and 6th Vial and 6th Seal.

The last 3 Trumpets are paramount to understanding the timing of the Seals and Vials.

Hi Maureen
The next event to take place in scripture happens this year.
Ive been waiting many years and have watched many events take place leading up to this event.
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A king shall be defeated but not in battle
Daniel 11
[sup]20 [/sup]Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.
[sup]21 [/sup]And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.


Not long ago the raiser of taxes was said by the supreme court to have raised taxes.
Now he shall soon be defeated by a man who shall obtain this kingdom though deciet.
Say goodbye to Obama.
Say hello to the false prophet.

In the complacent antics of mass hesteria engulfing tax burdens in this country USA... ( that means - we all know the taxes leveed in this country are often taxes upon taxes and that is just not right. ) every president has raised taxes for quite some time.... So the question is - this raising of taxes concerns what country(s)? Rome - the EU? USA? Israel? How about an NWO Tax, and so it - the NWO raises taxes across the board... enough to affect us all?

BTW Obama has more than his share of deciets and I expect we will be pleasured by more of them as well. Is Obama a Native born American or just a native? Did it sound like reference to color - it was not my intention at all. Was that harsh? I think not...if he is not a native born American. Mitt=False prophet? not hardly he does not qualify. Mitt=Beast... probably not. USA is not a position from where the Beast can make his moves... now, if an American President becomes leader of the NWO, the UN or a leader in the EU (not sure how this one would work - maybe Obama has brith rights there as well? ).. then it is possible...maybe.

A U.N. Global tax has already been proposed.

http://rt.com/usa/news/un-global-tax-carbon-252/

I know this Vet and expect the tax to be high enough for us to feel the effect and implemented.
It appears the second seal has opened and famine is about to become globally known.

terry said:

I know this Vet and expect the tax to be high enough for us to feel the effect and implemented.
It appears the second seal has opened and famine is about to become globally known.

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These events are especially about the 3rd & 4th Seals of Rev.6. Per the Book of Joel, God gave us info about the locusts working in 4 stages. He used the idea of a how a natural locust develops into maturity (Joel 1:4). They are about "a nation" come upon His people. They represent "small people" of Dan.11:23 that the 2nd beast (vile person) comes to power with.

So if you think of how Satan's servants on earth today are gaining 'control' over all the earth, the nations and its peoples, then you'll be a lot closer to discovering how God meant the locust army working in relation to the 3rd & 4th Seals.

Vet, I have not connected the locusts from the smoke as an event that will be world wwide, knowing that if it was not world-wide the
many many Christians would easilt deny it, when it occurs.

terry said:

Vet, I have not connected the locusts from the smoke as an event that will be world wwide, knowing that if it was not world-wide the
many many Christians would easilt deny it, when it occurs.

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It's already occuring, although their final working on earth is not yet, which is what you're talking about I think (per Rev.9).

Look at the working of the 3rd and 4th Seals. They're about collapse of commerce, famine, etc. That's where we are today, the locusts of Joel working. They work in stages, just like how a real locust develops in 4 stages.

Well, if you work the locusts in Joel here and now then you must separate it from the locusts from Revelation 9. To me this seems abundantly clear.

terry said:

Well, if you work the locusts in Joel here and now then you must separate it from the locusts from Revelation 9. To me this seems abundantly clear.

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Did you miss the 6th trumpet - 2nd Woe period events in connection with the locusts per Revelation 9?

Did you miss God's definition of the locusts as His great "army" He sends upon the rebellious of His people per Joel 2:25? He even gives the idea of the "northern army" and specific last day markers in that Joel 2 chapter.

So why are you being so difficult with not even trying... to discover that locust army connection between Joel and Revelation?

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I did not... allow me to explain... when one continues to read that scripture and the ensuings scrriptures it defines it as being restored AFTER The Jews have re-aligned themselves with God, meaning they have accepted Jesus, meaning that since they...the Jews... will never be put to shame again...that this restoration for ANY time locusts depleted their fields will be restored. Also consider that these locusts have eaten the hopper... yet the locusts of Rev CH 9 eat no greeen thing.


25 I will restore4 25 I will restore4 to you the years
that othe swarming locust has eaten,
othe hopper, othe destroyer, and othe cutter,
pmy great army, which I sent among you.
26 q“You shall eat in plenty and be satisfied,
and praise the name of the Lord your God,
who has dealt wondrously with you.
And my people rshall never again be put to shame.
27 sYou shall know that I am tin the midst of Israel,
and that uI am the Lord your God vand there is none else.
And my people shall never again be put to shame.

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That part of Joel 2 about the restoration is in final for AFTER Christ's return upon Mount Zion.

Joel 2:1
1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
(KJV)

You were supposed to notice that time marker right there at the start of the Joel 2 chapter. When does Christ Jesus return? On that "day of the Lord" (per 1 Thess.5 and 2 Pet.3:10 and Rev.16:15 in connection with the "as a thief" metaphor).


It would appear you have not really studied the Book of Joel to much depth, so why... would you make a claim that the locusts of Joel are not associated with the locusts of Rev.9 in the first place?!?

I thought we had developed a certain level of trust here, but now you're beginning to make me doubt you.

My persception differs from yours. Chrit returns at Armageddon... so anything fulfilled is after his return thus after Armageddon. Now you expect Christ to return before Armageddon? Armageddon occurs when the Jews finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah. Why restore during such a time of turmoil prior to Armageddon only to have the greatest war ever take place on the same grond? Next, does one "restore" by causing more havoc? My understanding in Joel of Christ's return is not a short return and to come back later at Armageddon. Probably I must to understand your perspective on this matter better. Your idea is the locusts come after Armageddon to do what? Sting people, when all the non-saved are captured and gone?

Trust?
I have no intention of destroying any trust we have been achieveing, forgive me if I have. Though our understandings differ, a lack of trust by me of you has never been an issue and I hope to never allow it to be. I can care less how much you and I argue so long as our path is toward proper understanding and our destination is truth.

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My persception differs from yours. Chrit returns at Armageddon... so anything fulfilled is after his return thus after Armageddon. Now you expect Christ to return before Armageddon? Armageddon occurs when the Jews finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah. Why restore during such a time of turmoil prior to Armageddon only to have the greatest war ever take place on the same grond? Next, does one "restore" by causing more havoc? My understanding in Joel of Christ's return is not a short return and to come back later at Armageddon. Probably I must to understand your perspective on this matter better. Your idea is the locusts come after Armageddon to do what? Sting people, when all the non-saved are captured and gone?

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No, I do not believe Christ returns prior to Armageddon, nor after it, but 'during' it. And you're getting off the locust subject with this, simply because the Joel 1 chapter is clearly describing the actions of the locusts, and then in Joel 2 God starts talking about its ending, including in Joel 3 with jumping back and forth in time between the last days (tribulation) and Christ's coming and after.

Trust?
I have no intention of destroying any trust we have been achieveing, forgive me if I have. Though our understandings differ, a lack of trust by me of you has never been an issue and I hope to never allow it to be. I can care less how much you and I argue so long as our path is toward proper understanding and our destination is truth.

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You just appear to not want to address the locust association issue.

Ok, i will spend some more time in Joel to see if I get your understanding.
We should enter this one step at a time....
A nation has invaded my land, powerful and without number; it has the teeth of a lion, the fangs of a lioness. It has lain waste my fig trees. It has stripped off their bark and thrown it away, leaving their branches white. … The fields are ruined, the ground is dried up, the oil fails. Despair, you farmers, wail, you vine growers; grieve for the wheat and the barley, because the harvest of the field is destroyed. The vine is dried up and the fig tree is withered; the pomegranate, the palm and the apple tree – all the trees of the field – are dried up” (1:6-7, 10-12).
In these passages it claims the fields are ruined the trees stripped, the harvest field destroyed.
They have the appearance of horses; they gallop along like cavalry. With a noise like that of chariots they leap over the mountaintops, like a crackling fire consuming stubble, like mighty army drawn up for battle. At the sight of them, nations are in anguish; every face turns pale. They charge like warriors; they scale walls like soldiers. They all march in line, not swerving from their course (2:3-7).
In these passages it does seem to give a depiction of the locusts in Rev Ch: 9
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Notice verse 4, here it emphatically states not to hurt the grass not anything green nor any tree.
Joel's description of what the locusts do is in direct violation of Rev ch 9 verse 4
How can it be claimed these two are linked as one when the actions of the locusts are exact opposite?


Imanuel Christian the author also noted...The description of the locusts is very vivid and poetic, but not unrealistic. This is a very common phenomenon in that part of the world, even today. I grew up in a small farming community in a remote village in India, and I have seen with my own eyes the devastation that the locusts can make. When the people in my area heard the news of locusts coming, they all would come out of their homes and beat pots and pans with sticks, making a loud noise to scare them away. At least once we saw the widespread devastation by the locusts. For a few days, we heard rumors of locusts eating away the flesh of young babies who were laid out on coats under the open sky. That would give a chill to anyone.


According to IC's understanding he recons the act of regular locusts as being described in Joel... the key words are ordinary, regular locusts. So, now show me how you get past this dilema.