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Who was it that Paul saw on the road to Damascus? Something wrong with your understand? Or is it just the Spirit of the accuser troubling you?

Ask God for His Spirit to overcome these obstacles and you will see things in the Light of day.



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A comforting brother in the midst of mockers...:)
 

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Dave, how does God know we love Him?

How did God know that Jesus loved Him?

Axehead
 

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:eek:
Who was it that Paul saw on the road to Damascus? Something wrong with your understand? Or is it just the Spirit of the accuser troubling you?

Ask God for His Spirit to overcome these obstacles and you will see things in the Light of day.



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Im sorry i did not write the book!
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
I THINK SOMEBODY IS LYING? Col 2:18 Let no one who delights in humility and the worship of angels cheat you out of the prize by boasting about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without cause by his carnal mind.
Col 2:19 He does not hold on to the head, from whom the whole body, which is nourished and held together by its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that comes from God.
ANOTHER TRANSLATON:
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
either way this guy is full of hot air!

epi DID YOU GET A PICTURE? :eek:

Act 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Act 19:12 insomuch that unto the sick were carried away from his body handkerchiefs or aprons, and the evil spirits went out.
Act 19:13 But certain also of the strolling Jews, exorcists, took upon them to name over them that had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Act 19:14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, a chief priest, who did this.
Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said unto them, Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who are ye?
Act 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and mastered both of them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

I THINK YOUR A LITTLE PUFFED UP epi! i dont believe you! as a matter of fact i know you are lying! :huh:

Dave, how does God know we love Him?

How did God know that Jesus loved Him?

Axehead
Luk 12:6 Are not five sparrows sold for two pence? and not one of them is forgotten in the sight of God.
Luk 12:7 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Luk 12:8 And I say unto you, Every one who shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
Luk 12:9 but he that denieth me in the presence of men shall be denied in the presence of the angels of God.
Luk 12:10 And every one who shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven.
Luk 12:11 And when they bring you before the synagogues, and the rulers, and the authorities, be not anxious how or what ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
Luk 12:12 for the Holy Spirit shall teach you in that very hour what ye ought to say. :D
 

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Nor do you understand it. But if you ask God for His spirit you could see things in a different light.
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Eph 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them,
because of the blindness of their heart:

Jn 2:8

Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1Jn 2:9

He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jn 2:10

He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

1Jn 2:11

But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.



Jn 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1Jn 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jn 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jn 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.



2Co 6:4

But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
2Co 6:5

In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
2Co 6:6

By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
2Co 6:7

By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
2Co 6:8

By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;

2Co 6:9

As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
2Co 6:10

As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
2Co 6:11

O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
2Co 6:12

Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
2Co 6:13

Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

2Co 6:14

Be ye not unequally yoked together with
UNBELIEVERS
: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? :D
 

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Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.

Gathering scripture to use (in ones own heart) as a whip to beat a brother, is loving your brother??

I have given you good counsel to "ask God for His Spirit".

Asking God, who is Spirit, is mentioned and taught more than any other point of scripture.



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I have to say axehead is the brightest light in your little group! he is at least a working knowledge of scripture!
Gathering scripture to use (in ones own heart) as a whip to beat a brother, is loving your brother??

I have given you good counsel to "ask God for His Spirit".

Asking God, who is Spirit, is mentioned and taught more than any other point of scripture.



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2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

i will be back tomorrow eve! and please think on that which i have given to you for correction!
 

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You mean if we just call Him "Lord" we'll be saved? That's it? Nothing else to do or say? Such a deal, who can resist that? Certainly not God.

Just say the "magic" word and God cannot help but be OBLIGATED to the MAGIC word!

Axehead

Hi Axehead,

Is that how you really see the gospel?

Do you really see that believing Jesus is the Christ and calling him 'Lord', is nothing more than (to use your own words) a "magic word and God cannot help but be OBLIGATED to the MAGIC word!"

It seems that Jesus Christ is truly a stumbling block for you as you can't believe God's promise of salvation in Christ is as simple as what the thief on the cross experienced.


Instead you claim there is more needed for salvation such as a perfect lifestyle as proof. This gospel you follow sounds much like what Gal 3:3 speaks against.

Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?

2Cor 11:3
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Is it so hard to believe God's promises?
 

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I have to say axehead is the brightest light in your little group! he is at least a working knowledge of scripture!

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

i will be back tomorrow eve! and please think on that which i have given to you for correction!
puffed up are you? Ask God to forgive you for your hypocrisy. Read the scriptures that you posted. Then ask Him for His Spirit to understand the scriptures and practice them.


Matthew 7:7 NKJV

"[background=rgb(255, 255, 150)]Ask[/background], and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.



Matthew 7:11 NKJV

If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who [background=rgb(255, 255, 150)]ask[/background] Him!


Matthew 21:22 NKJV

And whatever things you [background=rgb(255, 255, 150)]ask[/background] in prayer, believing, you will receive."


Luke 11:9 NKJV

"So I say to you, [background=rgb(255, 255, 150)]ask[/background], and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.


Luke 11:13 NKJV

If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who [background=rgb(255, 255, 150)]ask[/background] Him!"


John 14:13 NKJV

And whatever you [background=rgb(255, 255, 150)]ask[/background] in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son


John 14:14 NKJV

If you [background=rgb(255, 255, 150)]ask[/background] anything in My name, I will do it.


James 1:5 NKJV

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him [background=rgb(255, 255, 150)]ask[/background] of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.


1 John 5:14 NKJV

Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we [background=rgb(255, 255, 150)]ask[/background] anything according to His will, He hears us.
 

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To haz,

Your efforts here on this forum have consistently been to undermine the faith of those believing on Jesus.


What is Paul talking about in the bold part of the following sentence?

(This is an extract from a longer sentence. By all means review the context, but please reply only to the question - if you would.)

'The righteousness of God [is] revealed from faith to faith', (Rom 1:17)



Thanks.
 

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puffed up are you? Ask God to forgive you for your hypocrisy. Read the scriptures that you posted. Then ask Him for His Spirit to understand the scriptures and practice them.


Thank you for the scriptures! i wonder if your not really a "word of faith" guy like me?
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Pro 28:3

A poor man that oppresseth the poor is like a sweeping rain which leaveth no food.
Pro 28:4

They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
Pro 28:5

Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.
Pro 28:6

Better is the poor that walketh in his uprightness, than he that is perverse in his ways, though he be rich.

To haz,




What is Paul talking about in the bold part of the following sentence?

(This is an extract from a longer sentence. By all means review the context, but please reply only to the question - if you would.)

'The righteousness of God [is] revealed from faith to faith', (Rom 1:17)



Thanks.
dragonfly, how good to see you still here! in your "faith to faith" how does it work seeing you started with moses? and put Abraham under the law of moses? i doubt you can have a true understanding of these scriptures!


by the way did you know your friend epi thinks he sees god?

Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds

i think i have caught him telling a lie! but you guys doubt Paul and believe this fairy teller?

Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

ITS ALL ABOUT JESUS! ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE!
 

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Deuteronomy 30:14 But the word [is] very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.


The point to be taken from Paul's quotation of Deu 30:14, is that he was doing what God had told him to do. Acts 9:15, 20

He was exercising faith continuously in the execution of his obedience to the word of God to him personally.

This is what God requires of all disciples of Jesus Christ.


Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good;
and what does the LORD require of thee,
but to do justly,
and to love mercy,
and to walk humbly with thy God? [Notice the verbs there?]​



If you are a 'word of faith guy', then that explains your Old Covenant attitude to the word of God.

Sure, Elijah could call down fire from heaven, but, he could never be crucified with Christ in the way the apostles were - which is what God planned the New Covenant to make possible for every believer.

Although these verses are from Leviticus, the principles by which God acts have not changed. Read Rom 1 and 2 Thess 2 to see the parallels, particularly with respect to loving truth and being changed by truth.


Leviticus 26:10 And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
11 And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
13 I [am] the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen;
and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

14 But if ye will not hearken to me, and will not do all these commandments;
15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments,
[but] that ye break my covenant: 16 I also will do this unto you...' [List of bad things follows.]


23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things,

but will walk contrary to me; 24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you...'
 

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Deuteronomy 30:14 But the word [is] very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.


The point to be taken from Paul's quotation of Deu 30:14, is that he was doing what God had told him to do. Acts 9:15, 20

He was exercising faith continuously in the execution of his obedience to the word of God to him personally.

This is what God requires of all disciples of Jesus Christ.


Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good;



and what does the LORD require of thee,
but to do justly,
and to love mercy,
and to walk humbly with thy God? [Notice the verbs there?]​



If you are a 'word of faith guy', then that explains your Old Covenant attitude to the word of God.

Sure, Elijah could call down fire from heaven, but, he could never be crucified with Christ in the way the apostles were - which is what God planned the New Covenant to make possible for every believer.

Although these verses are from Leviticus, the principles by which God acts have not changed. Read Rom 1 and 2 Thess 2 to see the parallels, particularly with respect to loving truth and being changed by truth.


Leviticus 26:10 And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
11 And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
13 I [am] the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen;
and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

14 But if ye will not hearken to me, and will not do all these commandments;
15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments,
[but] that ye break my covenant: 16 I also will do this unto you...' [List of bad things follows.]


23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things,

but will walk contrary to me; 24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you...'
Rom 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Rom 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
Rom 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
Rom 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
Rom 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Rom 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

Rom 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The reason faith is so foolish to you is because you think you can keep the law? and the law condemns you dragonfly!
 

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Rom 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Rom 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
Rom 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
Rom 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
Rom 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Rom 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

Rom 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
The reason faith is so foolish to you is because you think you can keep the law? and the law condemns you dragonfly!

There are some of this forum that see themselves as experts on the law. These presume to understand God's ways through a superficial perusal of the bible. In fact...superficiality is seen as saving faith...those who have sought the Lord, experienced the Lord and serve the Lord have it all wrong...or so these "believe".

For the record....there is no one on this site that pushes works as a means of justification. It is a strawman argument designed to continue grasping on to superficiality. Their strategy is like...if enough chidren are screaming for ice cream then the bus driver will eventually stop to get some.

But the verses that these gleefully unaware purveyors of superficiality do not say what they think they are saying.

For instance..Romans 4 is about whether to be circumcised in the flesh or not. The real question Paul is addressing is if Gentiles become children of Abraham through the works of the law (the Mosaic law of physical circumcision) or by faith????

THAT is what is being contrasted there. The works of the law means the following of Mosaic principles that involve things like ....physical circumcision...eating Kosher...etc..

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Rom 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.


So one does not need to be physically circumcised before one is circumcised in the Spirit. The promises of Israel can be ours through the Spirit.



Paul NEVER encouraged lawlessness by denigrating the law of God. He did exactly the opposite. Paul says that we who are dead in Christ are alive in Christ and that unless we put to death the deeds of the flesh (sin) we will die. Paul was himself afraid of being cut off from God through a non-overcoming in his own flesh....

1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.


If people want to play childish games and gleeful pranks by using their superficial grasp of biblical truth to denigrate disciples of Christ, I for one will not stop them...but rather warn them.

So here is the crux of Paul's message...

Gal_5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Paul did not want the Gentiles listening to the Jewish "Judaizers" who believed one needed to be Jewish BEFORE one could be in Christ.

But here...for those superficial surveyors of dubious competency....is the issue according to Paul.

Col_2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:


So the issue of works...backfires on those who seek to falsely pin works of Mosaic law on disciples of Christ. In fact, it shows that one who is truly circumcised in the heart puts the sins of the flesh to death. These rather, put on Christ who knows no sin.

But then the circumcision of Christ (in the Spirit) is called by many here "works"...which it is....but it is the work of God that transforms a sinner into a disciple.

So much for the self justified criticizing the way of God with His children.
 

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epi! did you see elvis today?

Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Deu 17:19 And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:
Deu 17:20 That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left:

1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

CLEARLY! epi is lying about seeing god? "FOR NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME"
 

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1Co_7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rom_2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
 

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1Co_7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rom_2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Mal 2:1 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
Mal 2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Mal 2:3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
Mal 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 2:5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.
Mal 2:6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.
Mal 2:7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
Mal 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 2:9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isa 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!


2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 

haz

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To haz,

What is Paul talking about in the bold part of the following sentence?

(This is an extract from a longer sentence. By all means review the context, but please reply only to the question - if you would.)

'The righteousness of God [is] revealed from faith to faith', (Rom 1:17)
Thanks.

Hi dragonfly,

Regarding Rom 1:17 faith to faith refers to always believing on Jesus from beginning to end.


'For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, Eph 2:8

'I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith'. 2Tim 4:7

'But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.' Heb 11;6

'And believers 'are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus', Gal 3:26

'For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.' Gal 5:5

'looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith,' Heb 12:2

'For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.' 1John 5:4


But I see your gospel adds demands of perfect lifestyle as proof that one is abiding in Christ. This is not supported in scripture.
 
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Thanks for your answer, haz,

But I see your gospel adds demands of perfect lifestyle as proof that one is abiding in Christ. This is not supported in scripture.


Please read the harshness of Jesus' teaching in John 15 to see what happens to branches which/who don't abide in Him.

This is real eternal life or real eternal death. There is nothing between.


When a branch is grafted into a tree, a cut is made in the tree to receive the grafted branch. Then the branch is bound tightly into the cut, so that the sap from the tree will start to nourish it. This is a common style of improving the performance of the branch without adding any burden to the branch other than to rest in place, and be a branch. It is clear though, that if the branch is removed (in our case, removes itself) from the cut which was made to receive it, then its fruitfulness becomes impossible. Jesus is even speaking about branches which remain in place, but turn out not to bear fruit. Even these will be pruned away to keep the tree fruitful. Because that's what a fruit tree is for - fruit.



John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and
every [branch] that bears fruit, he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine;
no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit:
for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered;
and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will,
and it shall be done unto you.

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples
 

brother dave

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Thanks for your answer, haz,

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Please read the harshness of Jesus' teaching in John 15 to see what happens to branches which/who don't abide in Him.

This is real eternal life or real eternal death. There is nothing between.


When a branch is grafted into a tree, a cut is made in the tree to receive the grafted branch. Then the branch is bound tightly into the cut, so that the sap from the tree will start to nourish it. This is a common style of improving the performance of the branch without adding any burden to the branch other than to rest in place, and be a branch. It is clear though, that if the branch is removed (in our case, removes itself) from the cut which was made to receive it, then its fruitfulness becomes impossible. Jesus is even speaking about branches which remain in place, but turn out not to bear fruit. Even these will be pruned away to keep the tree fruitful. Because that's what a fruit tree is for - fruit.





John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and










every [branch] that bears fruit, he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine;









no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit:









for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered;









and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will,









and it shall be done unto you.

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples

Gal 5:4

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. :eek:

Joh 15:3 Already ye are clean because of the word which I have spoken unto you. :D

The" harshness" comes from your own faithless and bitter heart! not HIS!

Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
Jas 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Jas 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest:

Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: :eek:

Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness :( thereof.
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.