Are The Gospels Old Testament?

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Some teach that the Gospels are still part of the Law, and are Old Testament teachings.

First of all, note that the authors of the Gospels viewed Christ’s teaching as gospel teaching, not an extension of the law.

Looking at the scriptures below, we notice that these Gospel authors claim that Jesus preached the Gospel.

And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. (Matthew 4:23)
And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. (Matthew 9:35)
The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. (Matthew 11:5)
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. (Mark 1:1-2)
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. (Mark 8:35)
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. (Luke 4:18-19)
Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. (Luke 7:22)

Some might say that this is a different use of the term gospel. But Jesus Himself referred to this gospel being preached in situations where it seems almost completely certain that the crucifixion and resurrection would have been completed: “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” (Matthew 24:14) “Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.” (Matthew 26:13) “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” (Mark 16:15)

It seems fairly clear that Jesus viewed the gospel He taught being taught by others after His resurrection. If you are still not convinced, keep reading.

Second, notice where Paul claimed the authority for his gospel, which is supposedly different from Jesus’:
“For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers; Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.” (Romans 1:9-10)
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” (Romans 1:16)
If Paul viewed his gospel as being Jesus’ gospel, do we have liberty to redefine that gospel?
If you are still in doubt about how Paul viewed "his" Gospel and Christ's Gospel, look at the end of Romans:
“Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.” (Romans 16:25-27)
In fact, we have a specific instance of Paul quoting Jesus: “I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.” (Acts 20:35)

One of the problems with the idea that teachings from the Gospels are part of the Old Testament is that it puts Paul, rather than Jesus, as the authority for the changing of the Testaments. Listen as Peter establishes Jesus’ authority for “these days”: “For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” (Acts 3:22-23) Stephen, too, appealed to Moses’ words: “This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.” (Acts 7:37) When Moses’ told the children of Israel this, he quoted God as saying, “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.” (Deuteronomy 18:19)

The author of Hebrews, too, expressed how Christ’s words are connected with salvation in the present day: “For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?” (Hebrews 2:2-4) Earlier he had already expressed how God “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son” (Hebrews 1:2a). And he contrasts the Son’s speaking to us with the prophets’ earlier speaking to the fathers.

Those who would discount Christ’s teaching as New Covenant teaching, especially the Sermon on the Mount, also have to deal with the fact that some of these teachings are reinforced by the same teachings after the resurrection. Take, for example, one of these commands that has given trouble to Protestants who want to support political involvement—Jesus’ prohibition of oaths: “Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” (Matthew 5:33-37) This command is also expressed by James after the resurrection: “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.” (James 5:12)


It's not hard to understand why some desire to escape some of the most difficult teachings of the Scripture, (those found in the Gospels). But just because our human weakness makes us recoil at the words of Jesus, this does not give us the authority to dismiss the teachings of the One who told His apostles to teach all nationsto observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you (Matthew 28:20).

And, remember the words of Paul - “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son”.

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Jesus came to testify to the truth....all who hear His word and obey are of the truth.

A Covenant changes the means of doing God's will... God's will doesn't change. All scripture is useful for instruction in righteousness. Jesus came to teach the truth more precisely. His sacrifice and resurrection both cleanse us from sin and empower us to obey His commandments.

So the gospels are instruction in the New Covenant and a guide to holiness...without which no one shall see God. The New Covenant is actually not made with hands...it is in the heart. The New testament definitely includes the 4 gospels as the New testament is about Jesus Christ. The New
Testament TESTIFIES of Jesus. So the gospels cannot be Old Testament.
 

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Jesus came to testify to the truth....all who hear His word and obey are of the truth.

A Covenant changes the means of doing God's will... God's will doesn't change. All scripture is useful for instruction in righteousness. Jesus came to teach the truth more precisely. His sacrifice and resurrection both cleanse us from sin and empower us to obey His commandments.

So the gospels are instruction in the New Covenant and a guide to holiness...without which no one shall see God. The New Covenant is actually not made with hands...it is in the heart. The New testament definitely includes the 4 gospels as the New testament is about Jesus Christ. The New
Testament TESTIFIES of Jesus. So the gospels cannot be Old Testament.

Amen, brother. The Gospels are New Covenant. How could they be anything else?

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Hi Axehead,

We can't get the full picture with only half of the book. The bible isn't two books, but one.

There are many passages within the entire bible that show Jesus from Genesis to Revelation. I believe that those who walked closest with God, (as it is written in the first half of the bible,) knew who Jesus is, and Jesus Himself stated: John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

The Apostle Paul shows this as well and there are numerous other verses in the second half of the bible that confirm this. Here are just a few examples. There are many more.

1 Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1 Corinthians 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Psalms 18:31 For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Acts 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Acts 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Each end every single scripture that you used in the OP has it's roots in the first half of the bible, I'll show a few examples for the sake of keeping this message as short as possible.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
Matthew 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

Old Testament examples:

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Psalms 146:8 The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:
Psalms 146:9 The LORD preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.

Psalms 147:3 He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.

Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isaiah 42:7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Isaiah 42:10 Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
Isaiah 42:11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.

So I would say yes, that the Gospels tie directly to the first half of the bible, and we can't get the full picture with half a book.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Heaven and earth are still here until: Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
 

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Hi seekandfind,

Great post! But you wouldn't say that the 'gospels' are 'Old Covenant', would you?
 

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Hi seekandfind,

you wouldn't say that the 'gospels' are 'Old Covenant', would you?


Hi Dragonfly,

The Gospels are the fulfillment of the promise of HIS coming, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, as it is recorded in the first half of the bible. (As it is written.)

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

When we read about the tabernacle of Moses there is a definite pattern even from the wilderness, to to the gate, to the atonement alter in the courtyard, to the lever where the hands were washed, to the candlesticks (where light was given) and the shew bread, to alter of incense, to the Holy of Holies.

We have a part in that pattern too. From entering into the courtyard, to repentance, to washing at the lever, (washing of the water of the word,) to the candlesticks that only cast their light forward, to the shew bread, (Jesus wrote of David eating the show bread as well.) Matthew 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? (That is/was a shadow of things to come.)
On to the alter of incense, remember the angel of the Lord holds up the septure in Revelations and incense rises and these are the prayers of the saints. Revelation 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
And to the Holy of Holies, where the veil was torn in two. Jesus made the way that with Him, through Him abiding in Him, we could boldly come before the throne of grace.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Hebrews 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Hebrews 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
 
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Hi seekandfind,

That was another great post.

I suppose I'm chewing on the thought that if 'we' knew that 'all the nations of the earth would be blessed' through being Abraham's seed, 'we' should have been expecting the Gentiles to become eligible to receive 'the gospel' (Romans 4:13) at some point down the line. There's enough prophecy about it in the OT, and yet Paul writes that he didn't see it until it had been revealed to him by the Lord. Peter also, needed a vision to prepare him.

The unifying of 'the nations' including 'Israel', under one covenant, must have been mind-boggling to those who were living through these changes.
 

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Hi seekandfind,

That was another great post.

I suppose I'm chewing on the thought that if 'we' knew that 'all the nations of the earth would be blessed' through being Abraham's seed, 'we' should have been expecting the Gentiles to become eligible to receive 'the gospel' (Romans 4:13) at some point down the line. There's enough prophecy about it in the OT, and yet Paul writes that he didn't see it until it had been revealed to him by the Lord. Peter also, needed a vision to prepare him.

The unifying of 'the nations' including 'Israel', under one covenant, must have been mind-boggling to those who were living through these changes.

I hear you dragonfly,

It is amazing how it took an encounter with Jesus for many to see who He was/is.

There are a few examples of some who expected Him. The wise-men, Matthew 2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. Matthew 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Luke 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
Luke 2:27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
Luke 2:28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
Luke 2:29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
Luke 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
Luke 2:31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
Luke 2:32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Paul goes into this as well.

2 Corinthians 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
 

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Hi seekandfind,

I can't resist picking up where you left off, to share something I discovered through a different translation, which changes one word. (Actually, I like Tyndale's 1535 New Testament with modern English spelling for the way Tyndale brings some verses to life. He has no 'mirror', in 2 Cor 3:18.)

2 Corinthans 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.


I feel this verse has been mistakenly taken into the doctrine circling around Paul's quotation of Isaiah 59:20, at Romans 11:26, because it could be read to suggest that until the Lord returns, the vail will remain on their hearts, even though Paul has clearly stated that it was 'done away in Christ'.

What I discovered is, that 'it' in v 16, is 'the heart' in v 15. It's so simple that I don't know why I didn't see it before!