MillennialMathamatics

Hitch said:

Why have you altered your parameters Vet?

Here is what you originally complained about ;


Obviously some have come here to spread lies against Christ's future Resurrected bodily return, and really aren't interested in God's Truth, so I wouldn't even pay them any mind Arnie.

Back pedaling again eh Vet?

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How is that back pedaling? Christ Jesus is STILL in His Resurrection body He appeared on earth to His disicples with for 40 days after The Father raised Him. And that's... the Body He will return to this earth with. The resurrection type body IS... a literal body, it actually exists, it's just the "image of the heavenly" which Apostle Paul declared. And we all... will have the "spiritual body" when Christ Jesus returns at His second coming to the Mount of Olives (Acts 1).

As to this nonsense; If you deny the future existence of the Rev.20 "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect for after His literal bodily return, then yes. I wonder whether you are aware that you've included the entire faculty of Dallas Theological Seminary and the institution itself, I seldom have been accused association with DTS. LOL

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Christ's second coming = return in His resurrection body, a literal body. DTS believes that too, so I don't know why you would lie about them, except in some vain attempt to smear Christian belief in general.

I'm with Arnie now about your bad behaviour. I believe you are... a TROLL come here to disrupt and play silly games.

Vetran... I am with you on the resurection.

Hitch said:

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Its a simple problem. Here we are Jesus is enthroned in Jersalem, and somehow even though he is in his glorified state and no one yet unglorified can survive even the sight of him, we'll pretend .OK?

This is bound to make the papers ,maybe even the TV news. At any rate people are going to find out . And when they do what is going to happen? They are going to want to see him. A nice hug, maybe a 'word' or two for the charasmatics ,sign a picture that sort of thing.

So how many folks do you think might show up? Couple hundred? Couple thousand?

There is around 50 million Catholics in Italy. I'll wager at least 10% would try to make the trip to see Jesus . Five million , at .526 million minutes a year, not allowing for non believers or any new converts...about ten years.

So Peter and John set up an entrance and exit system and allow each pilgrim 60 seconds. Now thats not time with the Lord, thats coming in getting out and starting the process over.

Now here is the simple math.

24 (one day) X 60 (minutes per hour) = 1,440 minutes in a 24 hour day.

Elvis would draw more than this but its just a hypothetical,. The trouble is as you can see, the line will get longer ,never shorter, and it will get longer every day for a thousand years.
Just think of the glorious television coverage as thousands of mothers with sick children wail as their babes expire waiting their turn. And this 1,440 requires 24/7 no breaks of any kind. So much for Jesus trying your fried chicken.

I cant wait

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Matthew 24
[background=rgb(246, 246, 152)]23Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. [/background]
24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it.
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

Mark 13
[background=rgb(246, 246, 152)]21 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, He is there!' do not believe it. [/background]
22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.
24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Son of Man said:

Matthew 24
[background=rgb(246, 246, 152)]23Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. [/background]
24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it.
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

Mark 13
[background=rgb(246, 246, 152)]21 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, He is there!' do not believe it. [/background]
22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.
24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

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The context of those Scriptures Jesus gave was in warning about a pseudo-Christ He foretold that would come. That ain't... about Jesus' coming.

Hitch said:

But Jesus was only kidding, he knew these warnings were meaningless to the people he spoke to because he was talking about something that would only take place thousands of years future.

If you believe that I've got a floating city you might like to buy...

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Yet another I see that has refused to grasp the idea of prophetic Biblical patterns God gave in His Word.

If Antiochus IV in 170-165 B.C. fulfilled that role of a pseudo-messiah per the Book of Daniel, then why did Jesus warn about the coming of the "abomination of desolation" from Daniel almost 200 years after Antiochus???

Since Preterism doesn't believe there will be a future "abomination of desolation" false-messiah pseudo-Christ coming to Jerusalem to sit in a temple proclaiming himself as God, then why did Apostle Paul teach there would be in 2 Thess.2?

And why does Preterism try to define the Roman army of 70 A.D. as fitting the "abomination of desolation" prophecy from Daniel, when they could not even gain access inside the Jerusalem temple?

The reason why Preterist theology cannot answer those questions is simple. It's because Preterism is a false doctrine from men.

Hitch said:

Did you know that a Virgin Birth was predicted? Tell me ,are you still watching for it ? Oh I dont maybe because of what Jesus said? Oh yeah you remove Christ from your escahtology LOL yawn

Time for another pretend rebuke from the pretend preacher?

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All irrelevant to my questions, because you reveal you don't know enough about God's Holy Writ to be able... to properly answer my questions. You are a DECEIVER, and most likely a troll come here to stir up hatred among the brethren. God rebuke you. Get ready, it's coming.

Arnie, My statement remains: The fuel / air raito is a hoax. The fuel dilevery system is liquid fuel with vaporized fuel as no more than a beneficial by-product. To associate vaporized fuel when liquid fuel is the bulk of the investment is a distration form truth. Vaporized fuel is a consequence from being de-pressurized and heated by the engine, it is not a prime directive. Make it a prime directive and you will get more efficiency. Because current designs employ a liquid fuel dileverly system, vaporized fuel has no qualifier for being in the math. Current processes to "atomize" the fuel is so primative as well as complex it can only be considered as being done on purpose. Consider the fuel deliverly system used for train engines. Train engines get around 14 MPG loaded. And even their systems are both; more complex and primative than they need to be.

An engine costing more than a house? Nonesense, you are thinking inside the box. It can be build much cheaper than todays engines and a lot less complicated. Complicating developments are given a priority for job security, not for advancements. Make it to easy and anyone can build it. Curiously enough the correct fuel / air ratio could be given but the more correct information the easier it gets for a garage tinkerer to develop a more efficient engine oh his own. Their purpose of complicating it so one cannot understand it properly has found its way to your understanding... but this is not correct understanding. I am looking into possibly developing one or more of my designs that prove all I have claimed. I simply have not found a need to, I have a much more valuable (not for money) quest pending. I know to most this would seem off topic but it is not. For this is not the only area where complicating developments have been done to cheat people around the world. When one understands how, why, where and for how long has this been being done in so many venues, one can understand who it is behind it. This coming anti-christ with the answers... guess where he gets them from... areas Satan complicated beyond understanding and so all he has to do is un-complicate them and he is a hero.

The best way to get to the top of the ladder, head of the class, become the hero; is to develop a resolve before you secretly employ a problem.

Veteran. I am still with you on this. Hitch just doesn't seem to get it, not sure he ever will.

As far as the virgin birth, consider this... What will happen when once again Jesus is reborn? To whom will the catholics pray? To Mary or to the new mother? I realize some may believe the Bible is not telling about a true physical re-birth of Jesus... but that does not make your belief correct. Oh holy mary.. and_____, Mothers of god.... ( I really don't mean to be offensive - tis but humor for thought )

terry said:

Veteran. I am still with you on this. Hitch just doesn't seem to get it, not sure he ever will.

As far as the virgin birth, consider this... What will happen when once again Jesus is reborn? To whom will the catholics pray? To Mary or to the new mother? I realize some may believe the Bible is not telling about a true physical re-birth of Jesus... but that does not make your belief correct. Oh holy mary.. and_____, Mothers of god.... ( I really don't mean to be offensive - tis but humor for thought )

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That's just it, we know our Lord Jesus Christ is not going to be born in the flesh again. But I know, some just cannot get their thinking away from their flesh and the world how it is now. In essence, they don't really want this present world to end how it is. They want it to keep going how it is today. They will have a sad wakeup call when Christ Jesus does return.

I also agree with Veteran in his post #26

By the way everybody ..... did you know the reason prophecy was often presented as allegorical .... or said to be already fulfilled ?????

Christianity was made the State religion in Rome .... and the church teachers of the day could not very well teach the truth ....

It would amount to them (Church teachers) proclaiming The Roman Empire and it's leaders were evil and would eventually be destroyed .... how long would those teachers survive when the Roman Government got wind of that ?

In a nutshell .... that is the origins of some of those strange teachings and some still lingers today ...

Today we try stick to the bible to try find the truth.

But even at that ... it often presents more questions than answers. I think prophecy is designed that way .

Bible Prophecy makes more sense in 2012 than it did in 1912 .

If we are still around in 2012 we will likely understand it even better .

(in the sense that the world and technology are maturing so that previously bizarre prophetic statements now make sense ... electronic commerce .... military technology .... mass communication ... revived roman empire in Europe ..... Israel back in the land surrounded by nations who want to destroy them .... and so on)

None of these prophecies would have made sense even just 70 years ago.

All of Europe was at war 70 years ago .... Jews were being holocausted and exterminated .... No Nation of Israel in existence for over 1900 years .

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terry as far as fuel-air ratios .... maybe you misunderstand it. If you took the volume of fuel and air from the intake stroke of an engine .... you could not ignite it. .... not enough gas and not enough oxygen. ..... that is why it has to be compressed at least 9 to 1 (compression stroke) .... once compressed the gas and oxygen molecules are dense enough to ignite.

If the mixture is too lean (not enough fuel) it will not ignite. If it is too rich (too much fuel not enough oxygen) it will not ignite

Remember that if you had a perfect engine and perfect efficiency .... there is still only so much energy in a gallon of gas.

You mentioned railways ..... the steel wheels and steel track have very little rolling resistance compared to rubber tires on pavement. Thus the efficiency of rail transport. Once rolling , your small car could easily keep a rail car going down the tracks.

As a matter of fact entrepreneurs in the 1950s developed a flat rail car that you could drive your family 1954 Ford onto , strap it down and the car would drive the rail wheels. The idea was to tour scenic Canada.

Logistics would never work because the railroad did not want thousands of people cluttering up the track .... besides rail traffic is predominantly only one-way at a time.

Much more practical to buy a $5 ticket and ride the passenger train. You could buy a lot of $5 tickets for the price of one converted rail car for auto use.

Theoretical high mpg is possible. Mount steel wheels on your car (low rolling resistance) , increase your engine compression to 20-1 , advance your timing , ,,, run the engine at 800 rpm (high gearing) keep your speed at 40mph .... and you could certainly get 100 mpg.
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Trouble is after 100 miles your engine would be shot (detonation , pre-ignition. low rpm lugging )

Not to mention how sore your ar$e would be riding on steel wheels.

On the same token .... you can get 2000 horsepower from the family V-8 engine .... they do it all the time at the drag strips. Trouble is the engine needs rebuilding after 1/4 mile.

There is no free lunch . Gasoline and diesel fuel are the best , cheapest , and most readily available forms of energy available today.

Oil companies did not get big because they wanted to. Oil companies got big because we wanted them to provide a gas station every 10 city blocks , and every 10 miles in the country.

No oil company conspiracies are required.

Best wishes with your ideas.

Shabbat shalom, Hitch.

Hitch said:

Its a simple problem. Here we are Jesus is enthroned in Jerusalem, and somehow even though he is in his glorified state and no one yet unglorified can survive even the sight of him, we'll pretend .OK?

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You assume so much. Ever read these accounts?

Matthew 16:28-17:13
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
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Mark 9:1-13
1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.
5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.
11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.
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Luke 9:27-36
27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.
29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.
34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.
35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
36 And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.
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Don't you suppose that if Peter, James, and John could survive seeing Him in His glowing state when the Kingdom comes, that others will survive it, too?

Hitch said:

This is bound to make the papers ,maybe even the TV news. At any rate people are going to find out . And when they do what is going to happen? They are going to want to see him. A nice hug, maybe a 'word' or two for the charasmatics ,sign a picture that sort of thing.

So how many folks do you think might show up? Couple hundred? Couple thousand?

There is around 50 million Catholics in Italy. I'll wager at least 10% would try to make the trip to see Jesus . Five million , at .526 million minutes a year, not allowing for non believers or any new converts...about ten years.

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Not as many as you might think. See, we have other verses that show a different scenario:

Matthew 25:31-46
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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Psalm 2:1-12
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
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Zechariah 8:19-23
19 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; The fast of the fourth month, and the fast of the fifth, and the fast of the seventh, and the fast of the tenth, shall be to the house of Judah joy and gladness, and cheerful feasts; therefore love the truth and peace.
20 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities:
21 And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts: I will go also.
22 Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.
23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
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Isaiah 52:1-12
1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.
2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion.
3 For thus saith the Lord, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money.
4 For thus saith the Lord God, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian oppressed them without cause.
5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the Lord, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the Lord; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
8 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the Lord shall bring again Zion.
9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
10 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
11 Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the Lord.
12 For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight: for the Lord will go before you; and the God of Israel will be your rearward.
KJV

1 Corinthians 15:20-28
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
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See, the Scriptures paint a slightly different picture. Yeshua` will be a benevolent DICTATOR when He becomes King of Kings or World Emperor. He will no longer put up with the Gentiles or the unclean within Jerusalem or Isra'el. The borders will be closed! However, although people will try to gain entrance, they will only be able to do so at the invitation of a Jew or a believer!

Meanwhile, on the political side of things, kings and rulers of nations will try to rebel against this DICTATOR! Yet, God the Father will intervene on behalf of His Son in their secret "U.N." meetings. The Messiah will have already held a war tribunal at the beginning of His reign to separate who will be blessed among those of the Kingdom from who will be excluded. And, they will FEAR Him! If they have been fortunate enough to be among the survivors, they will know what Har-Megiddown was like, and they will not want to be on the receiving end of another such purge! He will be subduing all of His enemies! Even if it takes the full 1000 years, He WILL gain control over the whole earth!

Hitch said:

So Peter and John set up an entrance and exit system and allow each pilgrim 60 seconds. Now thats not time with the Lord, thats coming in getting out and starting the process over.

Now here is the simple math.

24 (one day) X 60 (minutes per hour) = 1,440 minutes in a 24 hour day.

Elvis would draw more than this but its just a hypothetical,. The trouble is as you can see, the line will get longer ,never shorter, and it will get longer every day for a thousand years.
Just think of the glorious television coverage as thousands of mothers with sick children wail as their babes expire waiting their turn. And this 1,440 requires 24/7 no breaks of any kind. So much for Jesus trying your fried chicken.

I cant wait

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LOL! How confused can a person get? Don't you remember how Moshe (Moses) tried to see all the children of Isra'el himself? Remember what his father-in-law said to him? "Why don't you set up those you can trust to make wise judgments in the lesser cases and only escalate those cases they can't solve to you?" Do you think "a greater than Solomon" wouldn't display such wisdom? Why are we said to "rule and reign with Him?" What is one of the jobs of a King of Isra'el? Isn't it to try the "Supreme Court" cases? Now, how many people do you think there will be among His resurrected subjects who could judge the lesser matters? Do you recall what Yeshua` said to His disciples - His emmissaries - when He sent out first the 12 and then the 70 later on?

Matthew 10:1-8
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
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Matthew 19:28-30
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
KJV

They and we SHALL be helping to run His Kingdom of kingdoms!

Christ's future... Kingdom on earth will INCREASE dramatically, when He and The Father take over ALL... the kingdoms of this world.


Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
(KJV)

But of course, that 7th angel has yet to sound today.

Hitch said:

Odd that 1,000 is missing again.

I see you declined to asnwer the question

Hmmmmm Has his kingdom increased or decreased over the last 2,000 years?

,,, my Im soooo surprized...

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That's ignorance. You don't have authority to REQUIRE every Scripture to specifically state something like, "this is millennium timing", to prove there is no "thousand years" reign of Christ Jesus with His elect.


Rev 20:2-4
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(KJV)

Let's see, what does "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" mean per English? Oh, yeah, it means they LITERALLY live... and reign... WITH CHRIST for a thousand years, while the devil is doing what? Sucking his bruised thumb shut up in chains in the pit!

Hitch said:

And you dont have the authority to declare this or that passage must refer to the 'Millennium ' .

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That's no. 2. Now we all know you do not believe...

1. That Christ Jesus is literally going to return at His second coming, and...

2. That you reject the written Revelation 20 Scripture that declares emphatically a "thousand years" reign by Jesus Christ and His elect.


Rev 20:2-4
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(KJV)

Why don't you try to tell us all here that Scripture is not written in God's Word?

Hitch said:

Actually I have repeatedly posted that he will , you are a liar and a coward, its a shame you're allowed on a chrisitan forum This one is not true either, but if it makes you fell better your silly notion of resurrected glorified believers and resurrected glorified Christ living among sin and death on earth for 1,00 years is rejected out of hand. . Why dont you tell me where John says these are bodily raised?

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Too late, you've already shown how you reject the literal second coming of Jesus Christ back to this earth, as written. You well explained your view on that by saying He does not need to return back to this earth, but is able to reign from Heaven, no need for His return you already stated.