Here's a question

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Status
Not open for further replies.

Christina

New Member
Apr 10, 2006
10,885
101
0
15
(thesuperjag;15904)
I agree that burning in Hell forever is man's made teaching...The worst Hell we can have is the Lake of Fire, which is the death of the soul, which will cease to exist......Not to have the soul keep on screaming in pain asking God to let him out. They will cease to exist, nobody will remember them...Lovest thou in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
I think Jag put it quite well there is no forever suffering in a fire pit if you die the second death you cease to exist your body and soul. We are only disputing what the common believe of what hell is, its not eternal suffering in a fire.
 

HammerStone

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Feb 12, 2006
5,113
279
83
36
South Carolina
prayerforums.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Death. Not burning forever. What happens when something dies? Do not give me that spiritual nonsense tradition of men statement. I tell you:Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Now it doesn't say a word about torture. God can and will kill your soul through the lake of fire.Learn the lesson of Lucifer:Isaiah 13:12-32
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!... (19)But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hostThe LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
Ezekiel 28:16
By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:18-19
Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, andnever shalt thou be any more.
There is no eternal punishment. You simply cease to exist once thrown into the lake of fire.
 

MickinEngland

New Member
Dec 15, 2006
339
1
0
75
(Jerry;15877)
How do you praise and worship the only being that could stop"Boy, 5, doused in gas, set on fire by masked men""raped and killed a 9-year-old Florida girl by burying her alive"
Did God do that? Nah..!Same with 9/11, did God pilot the hijacked airliners? Nah..!Sure, he could intervene, but he created this world and gave us the rules to live by, then imposed on himself a strict "Prime Directive" not to interfere.Remember -"God didn't spare his own son" (Romans 8:32), so why should we expect him to step in on our behalf either?
 

verzanumi24

Advanced Member
Aug 17, 2007
775
65
28
62
New Yonk City
(Jerry;15877)
How do you praise and worship the only being that could stop"Boy, 5, doused in gas, set on fire by masked men" cnn frontpage as of August 26"raped and killed a 9-year-old Florida girl by burying her alive" cnn frontpage as of August 26And in the time it took for me to copy and paste this here, I'm sure 50 more cases have occurred.I don't believe in hell, but I'd gladly burn there for all eternity long before I ever praise he who sits idly by as the suffering of mankind continues day in day out, supposedly due to the first man's questioning of God's right to rule by saying Man did not require God's guidance.
When God made mankind, He gave them free will, and how did Adam and Eve chose to exercise that free will? By disobeying God. Should God be blamed for man's action? You know, Adam blamed God for giving the woman to him, whom he obeyed rather than God, and the woman blamed Satan for deceiving her. Ever since, human beings have not taken responsibility for what they have done.Should God prevent you from doing what you want to do, because He knows it’s wrong? If He did intervened every time we do something that is wrong, then what would we be? And how would we learn the consequences of sin? The lesson we need to learn in all this, is that when we decide to disobey God, we WILL suffer, including the innocent. We need to understand that our actions affects others, therefore we need to be carful about what we do or say.
 

tim bennett

New Member
Aug 22, 2007
179
0
0
60
the bible says if you do not believe in jesus as your lord andsavior you will burn in hell for ever. mathew 10:28=and fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear him which is able to destroy both the soul and body in hell.* 33=but whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my father which is in heaven*and after the physical death , if we are not one of jesus' and weare not granted access into heaven=where will we go=it aint disney world=if we aint of jesus we are going to hell. plenty of old and new testament scripture to back it up. if you do not believe me=pick up a bible and go to your concordance and look up hell.mathew 17:11=for the son of man is come to save that which was lost*.
 

Jordan

Active Member
Apr 6, 2007
4,875
6
38
Tim, there is no such thing as Burning and torture in Hell everlasting...If a soul chose to go to the Lake of Fire on their own free will, that's their choice...but the soul won't be screaming in pain everlasting......In fact the soul won't be screaming at all, they will ceased...And they won't be remembered.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 

tim bennett

New Member
Aug 22, 2007
179
0
0
60
if you do not believe in an eternal hell, may i ask if you are a mormon?that just does not make any sense to me=my bible annotations are from liberty university and they believe the second death is eternal punishment in the lake of fire=as i have from the womb!so then in essence you are saying that the devil and his minions at the second death will go poof and not hit an eternal lake of fire. they devil will vanish=you are saying that only good souls have eternity and the bad ones get to retire=THAT IS REDICULOUS!!! RUBBISH!!!! THAT defies all scripture and the common sense the good lord gave us. you are saying satan is just going to vanish and no eternal damnation=IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET ACROSS? and please explain revelation 22 : 14-15=who are those wonderful beings denied access after the second death=those that are in the eternal lake of fire=that is who they are. please I would really like to hear you tell me that Satan will not suffer eternal damnation=can you tell me that.
 

Jordan

Active Member
Apr 6, 2007
4,875
6
38
(tim bennett)
if you do not believe in an eternal hell, may i ask if you are a mormon?that just does not make any sense to me=my bible annotations are from liberty university and they believe the second death is eternal punishment in the lake of fire=as i have from the womb!
No, I'm am not a Mormon, I'm a Christian. I don't belong in any single religion.Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.Satan has no power whatsoever to kill the soul, God does.Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.So we see here that the second death, which is the Lake of Fire is indeed the death of the soul. They shall cease, No longer exist. Nobody will remember them. That comes after the Mellinium Age.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
 

HammerStone

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Feb 12, 2006
5,113
279
83
36
South Carolina
prayerforums.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
the bible says if you do not believe in jesus as your lord andsavior you will burn in hell for ever.
How about you show that with a verse? I'm not into taking the words of men, that seems to be a common issue. "The Bible says you'll burn in hell..." Where? Hell is mentioned plenty of times, just not in the common misconception that you'll roast in hell forever.
if you do not believe in an eternal hell, may i ask if you are a mormon?that just does not make any sense to me=my bible annotations are from liberty university and they believe the second death is eternal punishment in the lake of fire=as i have from the womb!so then in essence you are saying that the devil and his minions at the second death will go poof and not hit an eternal lake of fire. they devil will vanish=you are saying that only good souls have eternity and the bad ones get to retire=THAT IS REDICULOUS!!! RUBBISH!!!! THAT defies all scripture and the common sense the good lord gave us. you are saying satan is just going to vanish and no eternal damnation=IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET ACROSS?
To not exist or live with the Father? Which choice would you make?By the way, for those of you wanting Scripture instead of the traditions of men:Ecclesiastes 12:6-7
Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
I'm sick and tired of the limitation of God. He's certainly not constrained by our earthly notion of time. Simply because someone passes away on this Earth does not mean that time follows the same sequential order in heaven. God is limitless. The Bible is clear, when you die your body returns to the Earth and the soul goes to the one who it belongs to.Cast aside the traditions of men!Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
 

Jordan

Active Member
Apr 6, 2007
4,875
6
38
Great post brother Denver. I agree with that 100% as well.
smile.gif
:amen: AND :blessyou:Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 
Jul 17, 2007
119
0
0
61
Hell most of the time comes from the word grave. God is an alll consuming fire. When the the fire is gone all that is left is ashes. All God says he will blot a name out of the book of life, which means it never existed. A few times hell is also in reference to Gehenna which was the compost pile / trash dump out side Jerusalem, where the trash was burned. Its the absense of life forever, never to be returned, redeemed or remembered.
 

tim bennett

New Member
Aug 22, 2007
179
0
0
60
i need to go to bed but if we are to believe that jesus is the son of god, and i do> if we are to believe that jesus is the only way to the father, and i do. if you do not believe in jesus where else would you go?am i missing something here? ahhhhh..............?i believe gehenna was where the dung was being burned, compost? is dung an unacceptable term? and what about lucifer=YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED ME=DOES SATAN GET A GET OUT OF HELL FREE CARD?ah john 3:16=if you belive in jesus you have everlasting life=if you do not believe what jesus told us he had the authority, and the miracles he performed=you do not get everlasting life=you get the polar opposite=you will perish in the eternal lake of fire. romans 1:16=for i am not ashamed of the gospel of christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the jew first and also to the greek.1st thesolonians 5:9=for god hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our lord JESUS CHRIST. * and if we do not have salvation we are not saved , and if we are not saved=where do we go?to hell and that hell is eternal.
 

HammerStone

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Feb 12, 2006
5,113
279
83
36
South Carolina
prayerforums.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED ME=DOES SATAN GET A GET OUT OF HELL FREE CARD?
Actually this has already been answered because I quoted the authoritative opinion on the matter. In case you missed it:Ezekiel 28:18-19
Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, andnever shalt thou be any more.
No man said it, Almighty God said it. Satan will be brought to ashes upon the Earth and it's only a matter of common sense to put ashes together with the lake of fire. He will never be anymore, it says absolutely nothing about Satan being tortured for the rest of the life. This is from the Word of God.
 

tim bennett

New Member
Aug 22, 2007
179
0
0
60
you may also allude to the new testament=that is the good news. i think(andi am not trying to be mean) you may take it as a compliment. my reading of the scriptures is from a conservative frame of mind, and yours is liberal. what do you think? and those folks outside the gate in the book of revelation=who is that again?those folks are still around after the second death!
 

HammerStone

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Feb 12, 2006
5,113
279
83
36
South Carolina
prayerforums.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Liberal?I guess there is a first time for everything. I never knew quoting Scripture gets you the liberal label. You'll need to specify a verse about those "folks outside the gate." At least do that for me once, please. I'll leave it to the reader to judge who is liberal about what.
 

Wakka

Super Member
Jun 4, 2007
1,461
4
0
33
It's not really such a bad thing anymore. At first I was shocked. But now I'm like, Whatever the Lord does, it's up to him. I don't care if they suffer eternally or cease to exist. It's still punishment.
 

HammerStone

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Feb 12, 2006
5,113
279
83
36
South Carolina
prayerforums.com
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I'd argue that the cessation of existence is perhaps the worst possible punishment for the one who so badly desires to sit in the mercy seat. Not only will he fail, but the one who is built on pride will have everything blotted out including the very memory of his existence. Obviously our Father feels that this is appropriate, and I'm happy with his judgment.
 

tim bennett

New Member
Aug 22, 2007
179
0
0
60
revelation 22 :14 blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.*15 for without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. * who is this refering to=this is after the second death. and while we are at it explain this please=revelation 20:10=and the devil that decieved them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever!
 

Jordan

Active Member
Apr 6, 2007
4,875
6
38
Me too...Whatever our Father says...I love his Holy, Just, Honest, judgement...Whatever He says...That's fine by me.
smile.gif
Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.