God's Words is the Living Word. It is impossible to take every word literally...If we try to make it literally, then we can't understand God that way...He speaks a lot of figureatively and symbology. God's Words is beyond 3rd grade level...In fact God's Words is beyond human thinking.Our God is a consuming fire. (Deuteronomy 4:24, Hebrews 12:29)Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
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so why did god provide us with a book if he made it where we cannot comprehend it? that is rediculous. lol. oh my god. he wants us to understand.
(tim bennett;16089)
sorry if that is name calling but i can read on at least a 3rd grade level=that is about all it takes to read mark 9:42-50. how else can a third grader interpret " hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched. which this type of description of hell is mentioned 4 times, and another reference to hell being fire. how else can anyone interpret it? amen verzanumi 24=sanity is welcomed.
You must know that many, many bible language is symbolic. I believe that Jewish language are very symbolic unlike many other countries. I think it is because God dealt with them directly. Jesus used many symbolic things and parables not meant to be literal. Jesus says when we sin, poke out our eyes, and if our hand causes us to sin, cut it off. This is not literal to any sane Christian obviously and is just one example.
sorry if that is name calling but i can read on at least a 3rd grade level=that is about all it takes to read mark 9:42-50. how else can a third grader interpret " hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched. which this type of description of hell is mentioned 4 times, and another reference to hell being fire. how else can anyone interpret it? amen verzanumi 24=sanity is welcomed.
You must know that many, many bible language is symbolic. I believe that Jewish language are very symbolic unlike many other countries. I think it is because God dealt with them directly. Jesus used many symbolic things and parables not meant to be literal. Jesus says when we sin, poke out our eyes, and if our hand causes us to sin, cut it off. This is not literal to any sane Christian obviously and is just one example.
(tim bennett;16118)
so why did god provide us with a book if he made it where we cannot comprehend it? that is rediculous. lol. oh my god. he wants us to understand.
Of course God wants us to understand. Joyful's right! There are lots of things that can't be taken literally...How about the serpent that was in the Garden in Genesis 2 snd Genesis 3? How about when YHWH says to Adam that that thou shalt not eat the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but thou mayest eat freely of any other trees?Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
so why did god provide us with a book if he made it where we cannot comprehend it? that is rediculous. lol. oh my god. he wants us to understand.
Of course God wants us to understand. Joyful's right! There are lots of things that can't be taken literally...How about the serpent that was in the Garden in Genesis 2 snd Genesis 3? How about when YHWH says to Adam that that thou shalt not eat the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but thou mayest eat freely of any other trees?Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
denver what is it you have against eternal torture for the rejectors of jesus=it is their choice not yours.
Well, number one, I have a zeal for the Bible to be read properly and with some form of understanding and not relying simply on traditions of men which include such wonderful pictures as a little man with a red suit, pitchfork, and tail. An eternally burning hell is another one of those fairytale stories men have made up. It's not a salvational issue, so I don't particularly care as much about this topic as I do others. However, I do like to see the truth come to the surface.I've already pointed out that YHVH is a consuming fire. He's the one who created hell regardless of what you believe. He said Satan will come to nothing. Nothing means nothing, nothing doesn't mean roasting in hell for eternity.I rest my case with this last verse, taken from the same chapter sighted as an argument for eternally burning hell:Isaiah 66:17They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.C-O-N-S-U-M-E-D. Not baking, roasting, being tortured. It's a completed act. They're consumed and then they are done. The fire will NEVER be quenched because the fire is our Father the Almighty God. He burns away those that pervert the world and do not simply accept him. His fire is a warmth for those of us that know and acknowledge his love.
sorry if that is name calling but i can read on at least a 3rd grade level=that is about all it takes to read mark 9:42-50. how else can a third grader interpret " hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched. which this type of description of hell is mentioned 4 times, and another reference to hell being fire. how else can anyone interpret it? amen verzanumi 24=sanity is welcomed.
This isn't even an argument so don't waste's anyone's time with this nonsense. A post like this really angers me because we've already talked about the lake of fire. No one need to call names here, because the ignorance has already been thrust into the open.
Well, number one, I have a zeal for the Bible to be read properly and with some form of understanding and not relying simply on traditions of men which include such wonderful pictures as a little man with a red suit, pitchfork, and tail. An eternally burning hell is another one of those fairytale stories men have made up. It's not a salvational issue, so I don't particularly care as much about this topic as I do others. However, I do like to see the truth come to the surface.I've already pointed out that YHVH is a consuming fire. He's the one who created hell regardless of what you believe. He said Satan will come to nothing. Nothing means nothing, nothing doesn't mean roasting in hell for eternity.I rest my case with this last verse, taken from the same chapter sighted as an argument for eternally burning hell:Isaiah 66:17They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.C-O-N-S-U-M-E-D. Not baking, roasting, being tortured. It's a completed act. They're consumed and then they are done. The fire will NEVER be quenched because the fire is our Father the Almighty God. He burns away those that pervert the world and do not simply accept him. His fire is a warmth for those of us that know and acknowledge his love.
sorry if that is name calling but i can read on at least a 3rd grade level=that is about all it takes to read mark 9:42-50. how else can a third grader interpret " hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched. which this type of description of hell is mentioned 4 times, and another reference to hell being fire. how else can anyone interpret it? amen verzanumi 24=sanity is welcomed.
This isn't even an argument so don't waste's anyone's time with this nonsense. A post like this really angers me because we've already talked about the lake of fire. No one need to call names here, because the ignorance has already been thrust into the open.
i believe it was a serpeant in the graden. and there is now way to be figerative about jesus' phrasology of everlasting hell fire in mark 9 that i posted yesterday - i believe 42-50. hell is tourture and hell is eternal. just read jesus' words not mine. i also believe that quite literally the animals walked or flew into noahs ark 2 x 2.do you believe that or was god being figurative?and one analogy about scaring people away from jesus with the truth of eternal hell fire damnation. i know that if i break the law i will go to jail. i am not scared of the po po(police), but i know that they have the authority to throw me into jail. but i am not fearful of them if i am not planning to break the law. i guess the ones that i am debating on this issue are just not subscribers to the new testament. and i have respect for the po po(police) but i do not fear them unless i have a reason to. if i am getting behind the wheel of a car and driving on a suspended=yes i fear the po po(police).and by the way, we eat from all kinds of trees=what is so hard to believe about a tree of knowledge and evil. and i have never read about a little red vermin with a pitch fork in the bible either=that one i will give you. lol=god bless. and i do not believe that we evolved from a tadpole or an ape. i believe the creation described in genesis was literal just like its stated. do you believe that, or do you believe that was figurative as well and god was trying to convey that we can from a sea cow and it took us ,what ,millions of years to evolve, or was it hundreds of thousands of years?
(tim bennett;16167)
i believe it was a serpeant in the graden. and there is now way to be figerative about jesus' phrasology of everlasting hell fire in mark 9 that i posted yesterday - i believe 42-50. hell is tourture and hell is eternal. just read jesus' words not mine. i also believe that quite literally the animals walked or flew into noahs ark 2 x 2.do you believe that or was god being figurative?and one analogy about scaring people away from jesus with the truth of eternal hell fire damnation. i know that if i break the law i will go to jail. i am not scared of the po po(police), but i know that they have the authority to throw me into jail. but i am not fearful of them if i am not planning to break the law. i guess the ones that i am debating on this issue are just not subscribers to the new testament=or cannot read on the third grade level that it must take to understand it.
You believe it was a serpent? That statement made me laugh. You obviously have had a very limited indepth Biblical study so it explains a little while you ignore all the scripture above on Hell an hang on to your own delusion. I suggest you do a study for yourself on the many names of Satan ( you can just google names of Satan or do a search here) You need to gain some kind of realistic idea of how God writes and tells us things using things of nature such as trees or Rocks or Sheep and serpents is Gods way to describe the character or characteristics of individuals in example after example in scripture. If you cant even get that right you are going to have a pretty tough time understanding much on this site we have some very sharp Biblical members
i believe it was a serpeant in the graden. and there is now way to be figerative about jesus' phrasology of everlasting hell fire in mark 9 that i posted yesterday - i believe 42-50. hell is tourture and hell is eternal. just read jesus' words not mine. i also believe that quite literally the animals walked or flew into noahs ark 2 x 2.do you believe that or was god being figurative?and one analogy about scaring people away from jesus with the truth of eternal hell fire damnation. i know that if i break the law i will go to jail. i am not scared of the po po(police), but i know that they have the authority to throw me into jail. but i am not fearful of them if i am not planning to break the law. i guess the ones that i am debating on this issue are just not subscribers to the new testament=or cannot read on the third grade level that it must take to understand it.
You believe it was a serpent? That statement made me laugh. You obviously have had a very limited indepth Biblical study so it explains a little while you ignore all the scripture above on Hell an hang on to your own delusion. I suggest you do a study for yourself on the many names of Satan ( you can just google names of Satan or do a search here) You need to gain some kind of realistic idea of how God writes and tells us things using things of nature such as trees or Rocks or Sheep and serpents is Gods way to describe the character or characteristics of individuals in example after example in scripture. If you cant even get that right you are going to have a pretty tough time understanding much on this site we have some very sharp Biblical members
yea , sharp as marbles=lol. how in the world did you become a community guide=what is that anyway=explain it to me please my educated brethren!
(Tim Bennett)
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You believe it was a serpent? That statement made me laugh. You obviously have had a very limited indepth Biblical study so it explains a little while you ignore all the scripture above on Hell an hang on to your own delusion. I suggest you do a study for yourself on the many names of Satan ( you can just google names of Satan or do a search here) You need to gain some kind of realistic idea of how God writes and tells us things using things of nature such as trees or Rocks or Sheep and serpents is Gods way to describe the character or characteristics of individuals in example after example in scripture. If you cant even get that right you are going to have a pretty tough time understanding much on this site we have some very sharp Biblical members
You believe it was a serpent? That statement made me laugh. You obviously have had a very limited Biblical learning so it explains a little while you ignore all the scripture above on Hell an hang on to your own delusion. I suggest you do a study for yourself on the many names of Satan ( you can just google names of Satan or do a search here) You need to gain some kind of realistic idea of how God writes and tells us things using things of nature such as trees or Rocks or Sheep and serpents is Gods way to describe the character or characteristics of individuals in example after example in scripture. If you cant even get that right you are going to have a pretty tough time on this site of some very sharp Biblical members(Denver)
C-O-N-S-U-M-E-D. Not baking, roasting, being tortured. It's a completed act. They're consumed and then they are done. The fire will NEVER be quenched because the fire is our Father the Almighty God. He burns away those that pervert the world and do not simply accept him. His fire is a warmth for those of us that know and acknowledge his love.
I just find this hilarious. Extremely funny. Really, I laughed for at least 20-30 good minutes. Okay, Aside the fact that I was literally laughing too hard...Denver and Kriss got it right.
The truth is Truth, just gotta love the Truth. The Truth is good.
Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
(Kriss)
You believe it was a serpent? That statement made me laugh. You obviously have had a very limited indepth Biblical study so it explains a little while you ignore all the scripture above on Hell an hang on to your own delusion. I suggest you do a study for yourself on the many names of Satan ( you can just google names of Satan or do a search here) You need to gain some kind of realistic idea of how God writes and tells us things using things of nature such as trees or Rocks or Sheep and serpents is Gods way to describe the character or characteristics of individuals in example after example in scripture. If you cant even get that right you are going to have a pretty tough time understanding much on this site we have some very sharp Biblical members
You believe it was a serpent? That statement made me laugh. You obviously have had a very limited Biblical learning so it explains a little while you ignore all the scripture above on Hell an hang on to your own delusion. I suggest you do a study for yourself on the many names of Satan ( you can just google names of Satan or do a search here) You need to gain some kind of realistic idea of how God writes and tells us things using things of nature such as trees or Rocks or Sheep and serpents is Gods way to describe the character or characteristics of individuals in example after example in scripture. If you cant even get that right you are going to have a pretty tough time on this site of some very sharp Biblical members(Denver)
C-O-N-S-U-M-E-D. Not baking, roasting, being tortured. It's a completed act. They're consumed and then they are done. The fire will NEVER be quenched because the fire is our Father the Almighty God. He burns away those that pervert the world and do not simply accept him. His fire is a warmth for those of us that know and acknowledge his love.
I just find this hilarious. Extremely funny. Really, I laughed for at least 20-30 good minutes. Okay, Aside the fact that I was literally laughing too hard...Denver and Kriss got it right.
that old serpent Revelation 12:9 and 20:2 old = original or primevalserpent = (through the idea of sharpness of vision); a snake, figuratively (as a type of sly cunning) an artful malicious person, especially Satan " And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, " (Rev. 20:2) heres at least two examples And secondly Genesis 3:1Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'Now how much common sense does it take to realize a serpent can not talk???????? a marbels worth I guess
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(tim bennett;16055)
denver what is it you have against eternal torture for the rejectors of jesus=it is their choice not yours. the mammon doctrine of "annihilation" i guess appeals to the liberal persuasion. jesus himself referred hell as hell fire=it is not going to be a pleasant place. i am tired of doing others homework but check out the verse where he seperates the goats from sheep=you tell me what you think. but i do not want to hate on those that disagree with me=soo good debate=i am off this one=i may find that verse for you though! i guess liberals think that if our god tourtures people because of their " unsalvation " choice= he is a mean god!? and please explain away mathew 25:46=and these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.* i mean why would the unbelievers of jesus not get a piece of the eternal pie too? i am off this one=and waca=seems like you are an intelligent person=why ask anyone else their opinion=the bible is a pretty easy read=in black and white=i can read for myself= so can you=we have the scripture to back it up, everyone does! thanks for telling me about edit waca=sorry if i seemed a little grough. and please explain one more mathew 25:41=then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.* and for the young lady who wanted me to show her where that if we do not worship jesus the bible states we will go to eternal hell=check out mathew 25:41-46. if you still do not believe that jesus will send the "unsaved" to everlasting torment and damnation= i guess i am throwing pearls to the swine. god bless you, and study jesus' word!
Here is a prophecy of the destruction of Judah, where a symbolic fire was used to represent that destruction. If you believe that Hell is a never ending fire, then it would also mean that the unquenchable destruction of Judah is still going on right now as we speak.Jeremiah 17:27 (KJV) 27 But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.
denver what is it you have against eternal torture for the rejectors of jesus=it is their choice not yours. the mammon doctrine of "annihilation" i guess appeals to the liberal persuasion. jesus himself referred hell as hell fire=it is not going to be a pleasant place. i am tired of doing others homework but check out the verse where he seperates the goats from sheep=you tell me what you think. but i do not want to hate on those that disagree with me=soo good debate=i am off this one=i may find that verse for you though! i guess liberals think that if our god tourtures people because of their " unsalvation " choice= he is a mean god!? and please explain away mathew 25:46=and these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.* i mean why would the unbelievers of jesus not get a piece of the eternal pie too? i am off this one=and waca=seems like you are an intelligent person=why ask anyone else their opinion=the bible is a pretty easy read=in black and white=i can read for myself= so can you=we have the scripture to back it up, everyone does! thanks for telling me about edit waca=sorry if i seemed a little grough. and please explain one more mathew 25:41=then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.* and for the young lady who wanted me to show her where that if we do not worship jesus the bible states we will go to eternal hell=check out mathew 25:41-46. if you still do not believe that jesus will send the "unsaved" to everlasting torment and damnation= i guess i am throwing pearls to the swine. god bless you, and study jesus' word!
Here is a prophecy of the destruction of Judah, where a symbolic fire was used to represent that destruction. If you believe that Hell is a never ending fire, then it would also mean that the unquenchable destruction of Judah is still going on right now as we speak.Jeremiah 17:27 (KJV) 27 But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment
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(Wakka;16207)
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment
We are going in circle here, so I won’t waste any more time, if you believe that those scripture proves your point, then believe as you desire....take care.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment
We are going in circle here, so I won’t waste any more time, if you believe that those scripture proves your point, then believe as you desire....take care.
yes third grader sense with marbles, steel ones. god bless you kriss. 1st chorinthians 13:1=though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am becoming as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.*
(tim bennett;16209)
yes third grader sense with marbles, steel ones. god bless you kriss. 1st chorinthians 13:1=though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am becoming as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.*
Im not sure what that means but regardless in rereading my earlier post it did come across as condescending I did not intend it to be so. But I deserved the marble remark touche' God bless you also Tim. Are steel marbles smarter?
yes third grader sense with marbles, steel ones. god bless you kriss. 1st chorinthians 13:1=though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am becoming as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.*
Im not sure what that means but regardless in rereading my earlier post it did come across as condescending I did not intend it to be so. But I deserved the marble remark touche' God bless you also Tim. Are steel marbles smarter?
no kriss,I am sorry I was being surly=but this is how i view it . and god bless you kriss. but i blieve that genesis story literally. even though the bible answer man went into a dissertation about a snake not having vocal chords. if it was god's will to allow a serpent to approach eve and speak to her=IT WOULD HAPPEN, WITH OR WITHOUT VOCAL CHORDS. we will never understand all gods ways. forgive me for being surly, wanting to win an argument to puffeth myself up=this board is about Jesus and not me. bless jesus=and thanks for being a community guide. hosanna=i believe means Jesus saves, is that right?
I think it's against God's to cease a person to exist. I mean, there are people in prison, and they are tortured. So why doesn't God just cease them to exist until the first resurrection. Where He can make their souls reappear.
Prison and the Lake of Fire are two different place or things. Wakka, actually...Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.Our flesh body will return to the dustGenesis 3:19 - In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
(Wakka;16297)
I think it's against God's to cease a person to exist. I mean, there are people in prison, and they are tortured. So why doesn't God just cease them to exist until the first resurrection. Where He can make their souls reappear.
You have to remember what God said to Jonah when God gave Ninevah mercy and gave them another chance to repent.hitomi
I think it's against God's to cease a person to exist. I mean, there are people in prison, and they are tortured. So why doesn't God just cease them to exist until the first resurrection. Where He can make their souls reappear.
You have to remember what God said to Jonah when God gave Ninevah mercy and gave them another chance to repent.hitomi
I was talking about the prison and not the lake of fire. God is in fact merciful. But I do believe He doesn't hold back on the punishment because of his mercy. God is just.
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