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(tim bennett;16296)
no kriss,I am sorry I was being surly=but this is how i view it . and god bless you kriss. but i blieve that genesis story literally. even though the bible answer man went into a dissertation about a snake not having vocal chords. if it was god's will to allow a serpent to approach eve and speak to her=IT WOULD HAPPEN, WITH OR WITHOUT VOCAL CHORDS. we will never understand all gods ways. forgive me for being surly, wanting to win an argument to puffeth myself up=this board is about Jesus and not me. bless jesus=and thanks for being a community guide. hosanna=i believe means Jesus saves, is that right?
Well Iam sorry to hear you take Gen. literally because until you understand Genesis you will never understand Revelation they are the beginning and the end the alpha and the omega they are the mirror images of each other so to speak,they are the corner stone and the capstone of his word. To take it all literal and miss all that is said in his majesty is a tragedy. I gave you scripture telling you who the serpent is yet you deny Gods word for your own belief So what is left to be said.If you care to read it Denver has a excellent study on thishttp://www.christianityboard.com/true-sin-...study-t509.htmlI can only pray that God give you eyes to see and ears to hear his truth.God Bless

(Wakka;16297)
I think it's against God's to cease a person to exist. I mean, there are people in prison, and they are tortured. So why doesn't God just cease them to exist until the first resurrection. Where He can make their souls reappear.
No it isn't Wakka but there is only one soul already condemed to death and that is Satan and when we are talking death here we are talking the second death the death of your soul once you die this death your body and soul dies it is as if you never were.It can not be undone it is forever God could have done this at Satans first rebellion but he would have had to kill 1/3 of his children that followed Satan he instead choose to give us free will to choose him or the second death. Why because he loved us to much to just kill 1/3 of us so why would he now just use this punishment at random it would make his whole plan of Salvation a waste of time.

hear we go, I do understand it. and anyone that cannot understand that hell is eternal just on the scriptures of mark 9=i do not put much credence in their overall common sense, much less their bible undestanding=which would better be phrased , not understanding the bible.i mean use the brain the lord gave you, we have eternal life, but the unbelievers do not get eternal death? WHAT!!! THAt is rediculous. you believe that jesus is god, and you ask him to forgive your sins=geniunely=you get eternal life. you put your nose in the air and never accept jesus as your personal savior=you go to eternal death, torture, damnation and punishment. a lot hinges on this. and i made another mistake the other day and may have misled on one of my posts erroneously. YOU BETTER BELIEVE , I FEAR THE LORD. if you do not fear him, i do not think you know him. hosanna. and by the way, i can read on a reasonable level. i do not need you, the bible answer man, david jeremiah, tony evans, nor the reverand billy graham to tell me about the bible=its all in black, white and red and i truly believe any average 3rd grader can read and understand it=that is why i used that 3rd grade reference. and the steel marbles usually knock the regular marble, marbles out of the ring!

(Kriss)
(Wakka)
I think it's against God's to cease a person to exist. I mean, there are people in prison, and they are tortured. So why doesn't God just cease them to exist until the first resurrection. Where He can make their souls reappear.
No it isn't Wakka but there is only one soul already condemed to death and that is Satan and when we are talking death here we are talking the second death the death of your soul once you die this death your body and soul dies it is as if you never were.It can not be undone it is foreverGod could have done this at Satans first rebellion but he would have had to kill 1/3 of his children that followed Satan he instead choose to give us free will to choose him or the second death. Why because he loved us to much to just kill 1/3 of us so why would he now just use this punishment at random it would make his whole plan of Salvation a waste of time.Wonderful post Kriss.:amen: AND :blessyou:

I just still can not accept it. There is a part of me that says it's not right. What about gnashing of teeth .

TimThe answer to the question,is in the scripture you quoted a few posts backMatthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."With that said let me ask you a question,if your soul is destroyed,which it shall be,how can it suffer forever.Another question,I don't know if you have children,but no matter what they did, could you torture them forever?I have children and its no way in the world that I could torture them,for anything,and I don't think God could either,and He won'tWe have really changed the topic, I think we should get back on track and we could start a new thread on this eternal torture discussion

read mark 9= i am really tired of casting these marbles. i will not do your research anymore. how in the hell(using common mammon frog sense)can heaven be eternal with a glorified body and hell not be eternal.you are saying with your argument that bad peoples souls will cease and the good peoples soul will live forever. well if i do not believe in jesus i will be vaporized anyway so what the hell. if i will only be punished for a season , with that rationale, i can sin as much as i want. AND BELIEVE WHAT EVER I WANT. i hate it for you in rio linde but god does motivate by fear, and if you do not realize that you are sadly mistaken. one more time for you on the left coast=lol=just kidding, i am kidding about rio linde=used to here mr limbaugh say that=it is not my material.

and kriss and you otHers who do not believe in eternal punishment=get a load of this pasage=matthew 25:46=and these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into eternal life.* that is jesus' words. how do you like them apples. anybody want to try and explain that away. it is kind of like bill clinton=it depends on what the word "is" is! HUH=that passage is especially for you JOYFUL=CHECK IT OUT=SHALOM=IS THAT SPELT RIGHT? JOB 5:17=behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth; therefore despise not thou the chastening of the almighty;*

(tim bennett;16353)
read mark 9= i am really tired of casting these marbles. i will not do your research anymore. how in the hell(using common mammon frog sense)can heaven be eternal with a glorified body and hell not be eternal.you are saying with your argument that bad peoples souls will cease and the good peoples soul will live forever. well if i do not believe in jesus i will be vaporized anyway so what the hell. if i will only be punished for a season , with that rationale, i can sin as much as i want. AND BELIEVE WHAT EVER I WANT. i hate it for you in rio linde but god does motivate by fear, and if you do not realize that you are sadly mistaken. one more time for you on the left coast=lol=just kidding, i am kidding about rio linde=used to here mr limbaugh say that=it is not my material.
Eternal life is a gift from God that one receives at Jesus' return. If all people already have eternal life, then how is God going to give us something that we already have? Also eternal life is the life that God has, which He has given to His people. Next the Bible does not say that heaven is eternal.Romans 6:23 (KJV) 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Mankind is made from the dust of the ground and will return to the ground at deathGenesis 3:19 (KJV) 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

oh my mighty god, man are you tripping. that is worse than depends on what the word is , is. you are trying to be funny i hope. what? i cannot even rebut that for it makes not even embryonic sense. i love the book of job, do not you bible scholars love the book of job=get a load=you sharp biblers, job 12:2=no doubt but ye are the people,and wisdom shall die with you.*3=but i have understanding as well as you, i am not inferior to you: yea, who knoweth not such things as these? some of you bible scholars in here i would pay to see you debate larry crabb=i think that is his name=it would be very informative i believe. god bless=hosanna=i have to go to my little ole job

tim, Wakka and others who believe God will torture non-believers forever in burning hell, I ask you a simple question, please answer me; Why do you think God will torment non-believers in burning hell ruthlessly forever?

Because we believe in the REAL God. The same God who destroyed 2 cities of sin. The same God that crushed an army in water. And the same God who will rule the earth with an iron rod. For those of you who say that God won't torment the wicked in the lake of fire really need to think about how God punishes people in the flesh. And ceasing to exist is a lot worse than torment. I would rather spank my child then kill him. (I don't have any children, lol). It's just eternal discipline.And one more thing. It says that in Hell, there will be gnashing of teeth. How do you explain that with ceasing to exist?

(Wakka;16370)
Because we believe in the REAL God. The same God who destroyed 2 cities of sin. The same God that crushed an army in water.
they are destroyed forever. You are saying that God will wake them up to tell them they will be tortured forever in burning hell I am not as kind and merciful as God, and even I think that is cruel thing to do and you are saying God is so revengeful and monsterlike .
And the same God who will rule the earth with an iron rod. For those of you who say that God won't torment the wicked in the lake of fire really need to think about how God punishes people in the flesh. And ceasing to exist is a lot worse than torment. I would rather spank my child then kill him. (I don't have any children, lol). It's just eternal discipline.
So you want to torment eternally in hell if you were God? I don't get it at all. I don't believe you know what you are talking about. If you had children and if they don't listen to you, you used the most cruel and painful method to torture them eternally? and you call that tough love?
more thing. It says that in Hell, there will be gnashing of teeth. How do you explain that with ceasing to exist?
kriss explained this already many times I believe.

If somebody rejects Jesus why shouldn't they be slung into hell?I mean, what good are they?Sorry to sound brutal but there it is, and the Bible itself is a lot more brutal, calling Jesus-rejecters -"dogs, pigs. " (Matthew 7:6)"weeds" (Matthew 13:38 )"brute beasts," (2 Peter 2:12)"heathens" (Jer 10:2)"fools" (Psa 94:8 )"liars" (1 John 2:22) "defiled" (Titus 1:15)"filthy" (Rev 22:11)So if any of them were let into heaven it'd be a case of "oops there goes the neighbourhood", and it'll never happen.The bottom line is, by rejecting Jesus they don't want to be near him in heaven, so they'll have to go to hell instead because there's nowhere else for them to go..

Let me try this one more time there is NO HELL OF ETERNEL BURNING God is a consuiming Fire he will completely destroy body and soul CONSUME BODY AND SOUL in the Lake of fire. This is for Satan and those that follow him. No one will burn in hell forever you will not exist anymore.If your Soul is destroyed YOU ARE NO LONGER NOTHING NOTTA GONE FOREVER NO ONE CAN LIVE WITHOUT A SOUL EITHER IN OR OUT OF FLESH BODIES your soul is who you are the body is just a vessel If you die the second death YOUR SOUL DIES YOU ARE GONE GONE GONE not burning.

(kriss;16382)
Let me try this one more time there is NO HELL OF ETERNEL BURNING
Argue it out with Jesus when you meet him.. Jesus said:- “God will say to those on his left, ‘Get away from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41)

amen, finally the truth. kudos. and i am really wondering if some of these people are just functionally illiterate.ONE MORE TIME FOR YOU IN RIO LINDE=GOD BLESS YOUR SOUL=OK YOU READY, JOYFUL ONE MORE TIME HONEY, YOU READY, GOT YOUR GLASSES ON=AND COMMUNITY MODERATOR, YOU READY. OK=MATHEW 25:46= AND THESE SHALL GO AWAY INTO EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT*: BUT THE RIGHTEOUS INTO LIFE ETERNAL*. I AM ASSUMING I GUESS WE CAN READ AND COMPREHEND. I CAN. SO CAN THESE OTHERS THAT REALIZE HELL IS ETERNAL=WHY CANNOT OTHERS UNDERSTAND? SO KRISS I GUESS JESUS WAS TELLING A LIE THEN, THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING=IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US ? MORMONS BELIEVE THAT EVERY ONE WILL EVENTUALLY MAKE IT TO HEAVEN= EVERYONE!

(tim bennett;16386)
... MORMONS BELIEVE THAT EVERY ONE WILL EVENTUALLY MAKE IT TO HEAVEN= EVERYONE!
Yes they'll have to argue with Jesus too.. Jesus said - "Enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it,but small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."(Matthew 7:13-14)

(MickinEngland;16388)
Jesus said - "Enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it,but small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."(Matthew 7:13-14)
You should know that "burning hell forever" believers are majority and wide gate.:naughty:

mick, i believe this issue is a case of throwing pearls to swine. and waca way to stand up for the truth.jesus says it is eternal in several passages(hell that is). and i agree he says "devour" and "ashes" and other "Figurative"descriptions in other passages. but out of jesus's mouth=off the page=the passages mick , waca and myself have quoted =jesus' own words=hell is eternal punishment. if we are true christians we have no worry= but our witness to others that in hell, we will be vaporized into nothingness is dangerous. that is not true. god bless you kriss and joyful=i am not trying to be mean=but you read the gospel=jesus was a very stern man/god. hosanna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!he speaks the 100% truth and he is very logical.lol=no duh. ha one more thing=we are not all god's children. god chose his children before his advent of time. god gives us a choice= and it is ours to make, but he knows who will accept and who will reject his(jesus')word. those who reject jesus are satans children, i mean COME ON, how hard is that to understand?hosanna=am i spelling hosanna right ?sorry it is wakka=my bad. ephesians 1:5 having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by jesus christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,* Jesus also tells us that whoever seeks him(jesus), will find him(jesus). hosanna