Sin In Heaven?

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All my life I have been taught that there will be no sin in heaven and no desire to sin.I do believe that, however I think about Lucifer.Wasn't he in Heaven when he sinned by thinking he would be God. And, for that, he was kicked out of Heaven. Any thoughts?Am I missing something? :confused:Please help!
 

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Yes, there is sin in Heaven. And Lucifer is not yet kicked out of Heaven. But what remains here, is that Heaven will be sinless as Father promise to us.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Job 1:6-76.Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7.And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.Jude 1:6 (King James Version)6.And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is; and let the Lord God be witness against you; the Lord from his holy temple. For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the high places of the earth." Micah 1:2, 3."And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament; and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Rev.11:19."And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire. Rev.14:17, 18."And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened." Rev.15:5."And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done." Rev.16:17.There are places in heaven like the Temple but the sons of man have their own places of habitation. And we see the angels left theres, and were punished. We know sin is not committed in heaven. The Fact that the father of lies comes before God is not the same as allowing sin in heaven. But rather someone who is not flesh and blood went before the Lord God. But even then we know he had a plan. satan is the accuser.God we see from psalm 139:8.If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Is also in hell but that his presence there does not make it like heaven or good.I hope I am clearer than I feel in what I am saying.
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Yes, it is all too interesting to read. My conclusion is independent however and totally distinct. A reason God, Yes God, the God, only God, commands good behavior of humanity in whole, making justice of every deed to hold man accountable of, the trustable is redeemed and we want to be souls of approval that we are better with the justified without doubting it's recompense. But rather the reason God condemns ill happens of humans is because when their ghost expires if they are not condemned, they walk back onto heaven and do molestations on the holy, the angels of God in all tabernacle blessing. Of free will, that either humanity accepts or rejects a good reason to dedicate, God puts things were they belong in order to have order. So there is no reason to have sin in heaven, according to what is appropriate. Have you not read that no abominable thing can bear with God? Also that it is better for such abomination to be down in the pit than to be with God. The throne of God is high.I think these piled up comments are good in their own expression.
 

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yea, he was kicked out of heaven as in revelation. but the devil does even still visit god in heaven=aka=the book of job=but after jesus' second return, he will be cast into the lake of hell forever and no more sin=is the way i understand it. waca i am using the edit button =thanks=job 1:6=now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and satan came also among them.*
 

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yea, he was kicked out of heaven as in revelation. but the devil does even still visit god in heaven=aka=the book of job=but after jesus' second return, he will be cast into the lake of hell forever and no more sin=is the way i understand it. waca i am using the edit button =thanks=job 1:6=now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and satan came also among them.*
Satan is held in Heaven by Michael he is not free to walk to and fro upon the earth as he was in Jobs time.
 

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But his spirit (antichrists spirit) still roams around the Earth...and we must and should fight against the spirit of the devil.Ephesians 6:12 - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Thank you JagRevelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"This event brings us back into heaven. The war is between Satan [the dragon] and his angels, who are fighting against Michael and his angels. Satan will lose. Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."This is the time of the sounding of the fifth trumpet, when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years. After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish]. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord. This is prophesy that will come in the very near future. Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."If you were ever confused who Satan is, John calls him by the names he used while playing his different roles on earth. The "dragon" is Satan's role in that first earth age, when one third of all of God's children followed him. Satan's evil spirit is allowed on earth now, along with his demons. However, you haven't seen Satan in person yet. Satan and his angels, both physically and bodily, will come to earth just as they did in Genesis 6.When Satan is cast out it will be as it was in the days of Noah. This is what Jesus said in Matthew 24:37: "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Mankind will be mixing with the angels, and the women even marrying them just as was going on in Noah's day before the flood. Sodomy will be common, and all forms of filth will be made public, and accepted and considered normal. The world and the kenite influence is preparing us, and our mind to accept all forms of filth in sex and marriage as being natural; and to consider their perversion as being of God.
 

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When he is kicked out there is silence in heaven for half an hour why because he is no longer there accusing he is de facto here on earth. Remember when Christ died on the cross he conquered sin. Satan is the man of Sin. He is physically held by Michael untill he is cast to earth as Jag has said only his evil spirit now roams upon earth untill the fifth/sixth trump
 

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Yes, there is sin in Heaven. And Lucifer is not yet kicked out of Heaven. But what remains here, is that Heaven will be sinless as Father promise to us.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
I believe 2 Peter 2:4 tells us that Satan has been cast out of Heaven."For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment." Yes, Satan was an angel that sinned, therefore he was cast out with the rest of them that sinned.
 

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ok, i know he was kicked out of heaven(satan). but according to the book of job he was given an audience with the lord.and in the garden there was the tree of knowledge of good and evil=so evil existed then, after satan lost his residency in heaven.
 

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I believe 2 Peter 2:4 tells us that Satan has been cast out of Heaven."For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment." Yes, Satan was an angel that sinned, therefore he was cast out with the rest of them that sinned.
AlphabetI do not see where this verse says Satan has been cast out of heaven 2 Peter 2:4 "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;" God spared not the angels that sinned, but placed them in chains in a place of darkness, to be held for judgment. Those angels were God's children also, for He created them just like he created you. We can read of these angels in the book of Jude. The word "hell" as used here, is only used in this form in the entire bible, it is # 5020 in the Strong's Greek dictionary. It is "Tartaroo, tar-tar-o'-o; from Tartaros, (the deepest abyss of hades) to encarcerate in eternal torment." It is the place where Satan and his angels are held for destruction. It is a state of degradation, and not necessarily a place or location. It is a marking that is placed on them to be destroyed at a certain time later. The analogy is used here to show us that these angels have completely fallen to a point to where there no hope. The condemnation came upon them because they would not accept the plan of God, and tried to circumvent or sidetrack God's plan. So the reason that Peter is bringing these angels back to our attention, is that they are going to be brought back to earth again in the last days, along with Satan, before this earth age of the flesh ends. This is written of in Revelation 12:7-9.Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven."Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
 

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To further add to what kriss has so well outlined, notice the whole chapter of Revelation 12, Satan is cast out after Jesus is born and then ascends to his seat at the right hand of our Father:Revelation 12:3-8
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
 

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All my life I have been taught that there will be no sin in heaven and no desire to sin.I do believe that, however I think about Lucifer.Wasn't he in Heaven when he sinned by thinking he would be God. And, for that, he was kicked out of Heaven. Any thoughts?Am I missing something? :confused:Please help!
No! He was on the earth when he sinned; the Bible said he ascended into heaven, to remove God as supreme ruler of all creation, but he was cast down back to the earth. Remember when Jesus, He saw Satan fall like lighting.We should not guess these things, but search the scriptures for the answers.
 

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Yes, there is sin in Heaven. And Lucifer is not yet kicked out of Heaven. But what remains here, is that Heaven will be sinless as Father promise to us.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
Lucifer is not in heaven, and he was not in heaven when he sinned. Lucifer's throne was and is on the earth.
 

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Yes, there is sin in Heaven. And Lucifer is not yet kicked out of Heaven. But what remains here, is that Heaven will be sinless as Father promise to us.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
Lucifer is not in heaven, and he was not in heaven when he sinned. Lucifer's throne was and is on the earth.Could you explain this then?Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven."Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
 

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Good question Jagand may I add this oneRev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
 

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Lucifer sinned in Heaven against God. That sin was pride. Is pride was that he saw himself equal to Him and to prove that the creation fought against the Creator. Excpet he failed. Is there sin in Heaven? I doubt it. Reason being is that God hates Sin has to destroy it when He comes into contact with it. The reason why God turned His back on Christ is because, by all rights, God would have destroied Christ on the cross do to Him absorbing Sin onto Himself.Is the stench of sin still there? I believe so. It would explain why God would creat a new heaven anyways.
 

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Lucifer is not in heaven, and he was not in heaven when he sinned. Lucifer's throne was and is on the earth.
Okay, maybe so, but what scripture do you have to support this comment?