Read pockets post.....he/she uses the word "testamentical"....i figured if something could be testamentical it could also be untestamenmtical
Spare The Rod ~ Spoil The Child...Should We Spank Our Children ?
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Read pockets post.....he/she uses the word "testamentical"....i figured if something could be testamentical it could also be untestamenmtical
I was spanked too, by an unbelieving father and it did not do me any harm, either. In fact, it helped me release my anger and rebellion and experience sorrow and contriteness. Spanking actually restored me to fellowship with my father.
This is my experience and I know this is an emotional topic.
Axehead
This is my experience and I know this is an emotional topic.
Axehead
Yes,and since emotion is the driving force behind all of modern christianity all that matters is how people feel about it.
Well, Strat, I was just being gentle because I recognize that some people have been hurt by abuse. God does not abuse or counsel abuse and is the perfect Father.
Axehead
Axehead
The definitions of abuse are many...God does judge and he does punish and as the Bible clearly demostrates they can be quite severe,we have lost the fear of God,children have lost the fear of corection and discipline,criminals have lost the fear of law and and consequences.The only thing people seem to fear,and i might add hate is the deconstruction of their carefuly crafted self esteem and sense/obsession with self.....anything or anyone that suggest they are not #1 in all things they greatly fear.
We hear so much about "love" yet no one seems interested in the nuts and bolts of love such as respect,obedience,duty and a a proper persective in regard to one's place in the world.
Everything you said is very, very TRUE and I don't see anything that I would disagree with.
Axehead
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Then you should be able to show how not spanking is effective...every negative of spanking should be offset by a positive of not spanking...like i suggested earlier....compare the youth culture of the past with that of today....the past should demonstrate all the nagatives of spanking and the current should display an abundance of the positives of not spanking.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Right......
Not spanking our kids is why kids today seem to be in more trouble.....haha
It couldn't be our violent, consumer, materialistic, pornographic, pluralistic, relativistic, 'McCulture' - of course not!
Nope! Definitely, the 'time outs'!!
goodshepard55
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Our children are what we are, if you model correct behavior to your children by showing respect to your spouse and others, by treating all you meet with the love of Christ. Treating all as you want to be treated, model Godly behavior, read the Word to your children and correct them with a firm voice and without a hand on them or a belt to the backside, by giving them choices to their behavior..You will have well behaved children that treat you with respect and love...we are mentors to our children they still belong to God...
jburic09032
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spare the rod spoil the child, that says alot right there.
if you never spank then they loose there fear of you. along with there respect for you. There is such thing as fearing and loving like we do God.
Time out and grounding just makes them mad at you and gets an argument.
I seeing my brothers getting worse every day because there parents stoped spanking.
Its just sad. you look at the present age of familys and most likely you'll see a rebellious little brat in it.
Spanking is not abuse. you do it out of love and wanting the best for them. abuse is hate.
if you never spank then they loose there fear of you. along with there respect for you. There is such thing as fearing and loving like we do God.
Time out and grounding just makes them mad at you and gets an argument.
I seeing my brothers getting worse every day because there parents stoped spanking.
Its just sad. you look at the present age of familys and most likely you'll see a rebellious little brat in it.
Spanking is not abuse. you do it out of love and wanting the best for them. abuse is hate.
-- "If you never spank them they will lose their fear of you?"
Sorry, but that blanket statement does not cover all families (and in my opinion, not even the majority of them).
I grew up in a large family and my dad was heavy into corporal punishment. His father was too, so I guess that is what taught him it was alright.
All it did was teach me to resent my father. He didn't talk - didn't discuss - didn't try to see if there was something deeper going on.
All it did for me (and for a number of my brothers and sisters I found out later) was build resentment and fear....those do NOT automatically translate into respect.
All it did was want to tiptoe while you were around him and avoid him whenever possible.
I have one child who is turning 18 next month. I have never once spanked her and she is loving and respectful and honors both her mother and father. She has not been rebellious, but has not always agreed with us. Dialog and compromise (although sometimes "because I am the parent and you are the child" was where it had to be left at) helped her to grow into a responsible and mature adult.
Do some children require the disciplining hand? Yes. But that is normally because the parent wasn't fully engaged during the time the child was young. A single parent who works and is never home is a classic example.
You are incorrect to blanket all parents with your words.
If the parent does their job correctly, spanking should be rarely if ever necessary.
jburic09032
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I was afraid someone would misunderstand me.
When a child disobeys and just gets put in time out, it doesn't work.
When they get spanked for what they've done, the point comes to them loud and clear.
By fear i mean "if we do wrong, there is punishment" instead of "if we do wrong i will get 5 minutes in the corner. I think its worth it."
Your very lucky to have a very obedient daughter!
Of course we all wish for that but most have to discipline for them to understand.
"He didn't talk - didn't discuss"
You should always state your reason for spanking and make sure what they know what they did wrong.
" Dialog and compromise (although sometimes "because I am the parent and you are the child" was where it had to be left at) helped her to grow into a responsible and mature adult."
Could you give me an example of compromising?
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
You think kids do not get used to spanking?? Spankings last seconds.
Look, I understand that some children are more stubborn than others, but consistent discipline is what is needed
noncorporal punishment often takes more effort than spanking - it also doesn't allow the parent to take out any anger on their kids,
Violence ? it has always been with us...still no excuse for anything
Consumer ? people have laways consumed....all living things consume...still no excuse for bad behaviour
Materialistic ? we live in a material world and our physical/material existence requires a certain amount of involvement with material things,if you are talking about the philosophy of materialism that says only matter matters that is still no excuse for bad behaviour.
Pornographic ? well as America's liberals are always quick to point out "you can't legislate morality" si i guess we're stuck with it....still not an excuse for anything.
Pluralistic ? sure...this is "free" society
Relativistic ? yes...that's America
McCulture ? not sure what you mean here...if you are saying American culture lacks depth,class and meaning then yes we agree.
None of these things provide anyone an excuse for anything...people have choices to be involved with these things or not....everybody's doing it so i'm under pressure doesn't cut it.
jburic09032
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My mom used to make us count to 50
Spankings are pain(unless you pat instead of spank).
They might get used to pain but they will avoid if if at all possible.
All my Grandfather had to do was give us a look and we knew to stop whatever we were doing wrong
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
I have never mentioned the word 'excuse'
I am talking about cause and effect - or at least a correlation.
Yes i know...kids today shouldn't be spanked because their i pad,i pod,video games and work free,responsability free lives are so difficult....one of the most disgusting things about American culture is how we try to excuse our sins by whinning about how tough our lives are.
It so difficult to live the christian life with all these temptations,wah wah wah....the bible says that no one is tempted by anything that is not common to man.
The bible says nothing about cause and affect,it says we are drawn to sin by our own desires and lust and sinful nature...man or woman or child for that matter on an island all by themselves would still find a way to sin.
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