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Brother James

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We think not having a Christmas display in front of city hall is persecution, but Christians are dying for their faith in attacks in Nigeria every week. Please consider them in your prayers. I pray we do not ever have to know such persecution in the West, but I wonder how many would stand firm if we did? Talk about separating the wheat from the tares...
 
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Foreigner

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Christians are also being persecuted in Egypt and will be persecuted in Syria shortly, once the Muslim Brotherhood or Al Qaeda take over.
(Strange how the dictator in Egypt and the Dictator in Syria protected the Christian communities from persecution and allowed them to exist.)

They are also facing life-threatening persecution in parts of India and in China.

Christians in the U.S. WILL face persecution just as strong in the coming years, but are not even close to that now.

There is a book called "The Criminalization of Christianity" by Janet Folger which details and sources multiple examples of Christianity being targeted for censorship and punishment here in the U.S.

I believe Mr. Obama will win re-election, and when a conservative justice is replaced by a liberal one, tiling the court 5-4 to the left, THEN you will see and acceleration in what Christians are not allowed to do in the U.S.

From there is will decline into actual persecution.

If you are 50 years of age or younger, I am of the opinion you will see this and live through it yourself.

No, Christians in the U.S. are not being "persecuted." But they ARE being targeted.

That is why we must do everything possible NOW to delay the slide to persecution.

Not to keep us from having to suffer, but - more importantly - to have additional time with which to lead others to Christ before it is too late.
Before sharing the Gospel is now longer allowed by law.

I believe there is a great Revival that will come in the U.S. over the coming couple of years. The Holy Spirit is going to move in a HUGE way.

But then, just like after large numbers of Christians were saved (as detailed in Acts), when the attacks and first indications of persecution begin coming forth, many will - as prophecied - "fall away."

John even mentions how some will persecute Christians and think they they are actually doing God's will.
 

whitestone

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In Israel especially is the persecution high against Christians. As ever, they are antichrist publicly and privately and individually proud of it. They are as much or more antichrist than the Muslims are. The stories of my brethren and the torture and incarcerations without meds are regular. They preach on the streets, and it is 'illegal' to preach Christ on the streets in Jerusalem so they get thrown in jail. Those are the faithful to pray for too. The smaller church denominations have no political clout and the embassie can't 'bother itself with every little complaint' so often Christians perish in Israel and the news world never hears of it. America doesn't care as they finance that antichrist country...
No, don't worry about it, just preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. What better way to die than for the Name of Jesus. I can't wait :)

Whitestone.
 

Foreigner

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In Israel especially is the persecution high against Christians. As ever, they are antichrist publicly and privately and individually proud of it. They are as much or more antichrist than the Muslims are. The stories of my brethren and the torture and incarcerations without meds are regular. They preach on the streets, and it is 'illegal' to preach Christ on the streets in Jerusalem so they get thrown in jail. Those are the faithful to pray for too. The smaller church denominations have no political clout and the embassie can't 'bother itself with every little complaint' so often Christians perish in Israel and the news world never hears of it. America doesn't care as they finance that antichrist country...
No, don't worry about it, just preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. What better way to die than for the Name of Jesus. I can't wait :)

Whitestone.

-- I am sorry, but that does not appear to be the case.
And your rhetoric about "torture and incarcerations without meds are regular" and "so often Christians perish in Israel and the news world never hears of it" is, well....ridiculous.

I know a number Christians who are currently living in Israel. Some as little as four months. Some as long 18 years and longer.
I speak with them often via Skype, email, etc.
None have EVER mentioned ANY type of persecution.

They have never been anything but welcomed by Jewish citizens and have never been harassed by the Israeli government.
There are American charities that operate within Israel and work in tandem with Israelis to assist Jews in Russia.

You are incorrect.



http://www.jewishfed....aspx?id=104341

Myth and Fact: Christians in Israel
Mitchell G. Bard

Myth
“Israel is persecuting Christians.”
Fact
While Christians are unwelcome in Islamic states such as Saudi Arabia, and most have been driven out of their longtime homes in Lebanon, Christians continue to be welcome in Israel. Christians have always been a minority in Israel, but it is the only Middle East nation where the Christian population has grown in the last half century (from 34,000 in 1948 to 140,000 today), in large measure because of the freedom to practice their religion.
By their own volition, the Christian communities have remained the most autonomous of the various religious communities in Israel, though they have increasingly chosen to integrate their social welfare, medical and educational institutions into state structures. The ecclesiastical courts of the Christian communities maintain jurisdiction in matters of personal status, such as marriage and divorce. The Ministry of Religious Affairs deliberately refrains from interfering in their religious life, but maintains a Department for Christian Communities to address problems and requests that may arise.
In Jerusalem, the rights of the various Christian churches to custody of the Christian holy places were established during the Ottoman Empire. Known as the “status quo arrangement for the Christian holy places in Jerusalem,” these rights remain in force today in Israel.
It was during Jordan's control of the Old City from 1948 until 1967 that Christian rights were infringed and Israeli Christians were barred from their holy places. The Christian population declined by nearly half, from 25,000 to 12,646. Since then, the population has slowly been growing.
Some Christians have been among those inconvenienced by Israel's construction of the security fence, but they have not been harmed because of their religious beliefs. They simply live in areas where the fence is being built. Like others who can show they have suffered some damage, Christians are entitled to compensation. And the fence does not have any impact on Christian holy places or their freedom of access to them.
Suggestions that Israel is persecuting Christians were publicized by columnist Bob Novak, who has a long history of vitriolic attacks on Israel. Novak actually presented no specific evidence that any Christians have been harmed or their religious freedom infringed (Chicago Sun-Times, April 18, 2005). He cited a single source, whose bias was obvious, to support the charge that the fence is hurting Christians in East Jerusalem, but failed to mention that the fence is helping to save Christian lives that might otherwise be lost in the indiscriminate attacks of Palestinian terrorists.
The hypocrisy of Novak's latest critique is clear from his failure to raise the very real concerns about the fate of Christians under Arab rule, especially under the Palestinian Authority, where a rapidly declining population of 27,000 Christians live among 3 million Muslims. The proportion of Christians in the Palestinian territories has dropped from 15 percent of the Arab population in 1950 to less than 1 percent today. Three-fourths of all Bethlehem Christians now live abroad, and the majority of the city’s population is Muslim. The Christian population declined 29 percent in the West Bank and 20 percent in the Gaza Strip from 1997 to 2002. By contrast, in the period 1995–2003, Israel’s Arab Christian population grew 14.1 percent (CAMERA, December 24, 2004).
Jonathan Adelman and Agota Kuperman noted that Yasser Arafat “tried to erase the historic Jesus by depicting him as the first radical Palestinian armed fedayeen (guerrilla). Meanwhile, the Palestinian Authority has adopted Islam as its official religion, used shari’a Islamic codes, and allowed even officially appointed clerics to brand Christians (and Jews) as infidels in their mosques.” The authors add that the “militantly Islamic rhetoric and terrorist acts of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah...offer little comfort to Christians.”
David Raab observed that “Palestinian Christians are perceived by many Muslims — as were Lebanon's Christians — as a potential fifth column for Israel. In fact, at the start of the recent violence in 2000, Muslim Palestinians attacked Christians in Gaza.” Raab also wrote that “anti-Christian graffiti is not uncommon in Bethlehem and neighboring Beit Sahur, proclaiming: ‘First the Saturday people (the Jews), then the Sunday people (the Christians),’” and that “Christian cemeteries have been defaced, monasteries have had their telephone lines cut, and there have been break-ins at convents.”
When Arafat died, Vatican Radio correspondent Graziano Motta said, “The death of the president of the Palestinian National Authority has come at a time when the political, administrative and police structures often discriminate against [Christians].” Motta added that Christians “have been continually exposed to pressures by Muslim activists, and have been forced to profess fidelity to the intifada.”
While Novak suggests Israel is bulldozing Christian houses, without any evidence to support the charge, he ignores reports by journalists such as Motta who reported, “Frequently, there are cases in which the Muslims expropriate houses and lands belonging to Catholics, and often the intervention of the authorities has been lacking in addressing acts of violence against young women, or offenses against the Christian faith” (Zenit News Agency, November 14, 2004).
It certainly wouldn’t be difficult for Novak to find evidence of mistreatment of Christians in the PA if he were interested, but unlike Christians who enjoy freedom of speech as well as religion in Israel, beleaguered Palestinian Christians are afraid to speak out. “Out of fear for their safety, Christian spokesmen aren’t happy to be identified by name when they complain about the Muslims’ treatment of them...off the record they talk of harassment and terror tactics, mainly from the gangs of thugs who looted and plundered Christians and their property, under the protection of Palestinian security personnel” (Ma'ariv, December 24, 2001).




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whitestone

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-- I am sorry, but that does not appear to be the case.
And your rhetoric about "torture and incarcerations without meds are regular" and "so often Christians perish in Israel and the news world never hears of it" is, well....ridiculous.

I know a number Christians who are currently living in Israel. Some as little as six months. Some as long 18 years and longer.
I speak with them often via Skype, email, etc.
None have EVER mentioned ANY type of persecution.

They have never been anything but welcomed by Jewish citizens and have never been harassed by the Israeli government.
There are American charities that operate within Israel and work in tandem with Israelis to assist Jews in Russia.

You are incorrect.



http://www.jewishfed....aspx?id=104341

Myth and Fact: Christians in Israel
Mitchell G. Bard

Myth
“Israel is persecuting Christians.”
Fact
While Christians are unwelcome in Islamic states such as Saudi Arabia, and most have been driven out of their longtime homes in Lebanon, Christians continue to be welcome in Israel. Christians have always been a minority in Israel, but it is the only Middle East nation where the Christian population has grown in the last half century (from 34,000 in 1948 to 140,000 today), in large measure because of the freedom to practice their religion.
By their own volition, the Christian communities have remained the most autonomous of the various religious communities in Israel, though they have increasingly chosen to integrate their social welfare, medical and educational institutions into state structures. The ecclesiastical courts of the Christian communities maintain jurisdiction in matters of personal status, such as marriage and divorce. The Ministry of Religious Affairs deliberately refrains from interfering in their religious life, but maintains a Department for Christian Communities to address problems and requests that may arise.
In Jerusalem, the rights of the various Christian churches to custody of the Christian holy places were established during the Ottoman Empire. Known as the “status quo arrangement for the Christian holy places in Jerusalem,” these rights remain in force today in Israel.
It was during Jordan's control of the Old City from 1948 until 1967 that Christian rights were infringed and Israeli Christians were barred from their holy places. The Christian population declined by nearly half, from 25,000 to 12,646. Since then, the population has slowly been growing.
Some Christians have been among those inconvenienced by Israel's construction of the security fence, but they have not been harmed because of their religious beliefs. They simply live in areas where the fence is being built. Like others who can show they have suffered some damage, Christians are entitled to compensation. And the fence does not have any impact on Christian holy places or their freedom of access to them.
Suggestions that Israel is persecuting Christians were publicized by columnist Bob Novak, who has a long history of vitriolic attacks on Israel. Novak actually presented no specific evidence that any Christians have been harmed or their religious freedom infringed (Chicago Sun-Times, April 18, 2005). He cited a single source, whose bias was obvious, to support the charge that the fence is hurting Christians in East Jerusalem, but failed to mention that the fence is helping to save Christian lives that might otherwise be lost in the indiscriminate attacks of Palestinian terrorists.
The hypocrisy of Novak's latest critique is clear from his failure to raise the very real concerns about the fate of Christians under Arab rule, especially under the Palestinian Authority, where a rapidly declining population of 27,000 Christians live among 3 million Muslims. The proportion of Christians in the Palestinian territories has dropped from 15 percent of the Arab population in 1950 to less than 1 percent today. Three-fourths of all Bethlehem Christians now live abroad, and the majority of the city’s population is Muslim. The Christian population declined 29 percent in the West Bank and 20 percent in the Gaza Strip from 1997 to 2002. By contrast, in the period 1995–2003, Israel’s Arab Christian population grew 14.1 percent (CAMERA, December 24, 2004).
Jonathan Adelman and Agota Kuperman noted that Yasser Arafat “tried to erase the historic Jesus by depicting him as the first radical Palestinian armed fedayeen (guerrilla). Meanwhile, the Palestinian Authority has adopted Islam as its official religion, used shari’a Islamic codes, and allowed even officially appointed clerics to brand Christians (and Jews) as infidels in their mosques.” The authors add that the “militantly Islamic rhetoric and terrorist acts of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah...offer little comfort to Christians.”
David Raab observed that “Palestinian Christians are perceived by many Muslims — as were Lebanon's Christians — as a potential fifth column for Israel. In fact, at the start of the recent violence in 2000, Muslim Palestinians attacked Christians in Gaza.” Raab also wrote that “anti-Christian graffiti is not uncommon in Bethlehem and neighboring Beit Sahur, proclaiming: ‘First the Saturday people (the Jews), then the Sunday people (the Christians),’” and that “Christian cemeteries have been defaced, monasteries have had their telephone lines cut, and there have been break-ins at convents.”
When Arafat died, Vatican Radio correspondent Graziano Motta said, “The death of the president of the Palestinian National Authority has come at a time when the political, administrative and police structures often discriminate against [Christians].” Motta added that Christians “have been continually exposed to pressures by Muslim activists, and have been forced to profess fidelity to the intifada.”
While Novak suggests Israel is bulldozing Christian houses, without any evidence to support the charge, he ignores reports by journalists such as Motta who reported, “Frequently, there are cases in which the Muslims expropriate houses and lands belonging to Catholics, and often the intervention of the authorities has been lacking in addressing acts of violence against young women, or offenses against the Christian faith” (Zenit News Agency, November 14, 2004).
It certainly wouldn’t be difficult for Novak to find evidence of mistreatment of Christians in the PA if he were interested, but unlike Christians who enjoy freedom of speech as well as religion in Israel, beleaguered Palestinian Christians are afraid to speak out. “Out of fear for their safety, Christian spokesmen aren’t happy to be identified by name when they complain about the Muslims’ treatment of them...off the record they talk of harassment and terror tactics, mainly from the gangs of thugs who looted and plundered Christians and their property, under the protection of Palestinian security personnel” (Ma'ariv, December 24, 2001).




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Are you calling me a liar?

Perhaps my brother Daniel an evangelist, recently getting arrested for preaching Christ in Jerusalem and getting thrown in jail and nearly dying without his diabetic supplies is my imagination? That is just one fairly recent example. What? That didn't make any of your jewish published newsletters somehow?! You put faith in what you read in jewish newspapers???
 

Foreigner

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I am not calling you a liar. I am saying you are wrong.

Street evangelism is not allowed in many cities and countries, mainly because it can be disruptive.

And if your "brother Daniel" is like you, I could see where it would lead to a confrontation.

I do notice now it is "nearly dying" instead of "dying" as you originally claimed.

If you are a guest in a country, you obey that country's laws. If you don't, then less-than-pleasing treatment is possible and a self-inflicted wound.

And to be honest, you have given me no reason whatsoever to take you more seriously than a Jewish Newspaper (not that I have ever read one).

Those that choose to street evangelize against city or state law who do not quit when told to do so are - guess what! - breaking the law.

Now, if you were to provide actual PROOF of a claim you have made, then perhaps you would be taken seriously.

Until then, I will go with the facts I already know from people who are actually LIVING there.
 

Jon-Marc

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If we are ever persecuted (God forbid) as Christians are in some countries, how many of us will stand true and how many will flee the persecution and deny the Lord?
 

us2are1

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If we are ever persecuted (God forbid) as Christians are in some countries, how many of us will stand true and how many will flee the persecution and deny the Lord?

In that day this time Jon-Mark there will be no where to flee.

God is sending his witnesses to dry up the earth and remove the water supply.

Then everyone will see who is living in faith.
 

Groundzero

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You know, I think that we face something far more dangerous than persecution. We face the relentless bombardment of the media and other forces.