Hi verzanumi24,Before I answer your last post there has been something niggling me from the last which I should of addressed.
So far you have come the closest to what I am talking about, but you have not hit the nail on the head, because Abraham was not a Jew; he was a Gentile.
If you are saying that circumcision of the heart is the real circumcision required for being a Jew then how can Abraham who knew God not be a Jew when he is the first to be accepted as righteous through faith?Romans 4 (King James Version)Romans 4 1.What shall we say then
that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2.For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3.For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. [Genesis 15:6 Galations 3:6.] 4.Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5.But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6.Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [7.Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8.Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
] 7-8 [psalm 32:1-2.] 9.Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10.How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11.And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: [Genesis 17:10]
12.And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13.For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. [Genesis 17:4-6; Genesis 22:17-18 & Galations 3:29.] 14.For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15.Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16.Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, The word teaches that Abrahams faith was accounted to him as righteousness before he was of circumcision and that circumcision is as any Jew will tell you an outer sign of God's covenant with him. You must remember that there was no law of the covenant when God made the eternal promise through Isaac. The covenant of the law with the Israelites was made because of Gods rememberance of his promise to Abraham through Isaac.References to check what I have said in brackets at the side.Abraham is the Father of all who know the true God by faith and through the Spirit, for it all started with him, before and after circumcision, before and after the law and so we see Gods covenants and promises are eternal for those who believe and trust him and them.
verzanumi24 You have gotten it right......the Bible is a spiritual Book, so when we read it we need to see what is written from God's eyes. The children of Israel were a type of God's true people.....they were a shadow of the Church. Interestingly, Pentecost that the Children of Israel kept was also picturing the Church; the Church was born on the day of Pentecost.
The word teaches they were the builders of the faith for the church has always been people who believe in the only true God and who know him.Psalm 118:18-23 (King James Version)18.The LORD hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death. 19.Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the LORD:
20.This gate of the LORD, into which the righteous shall enter. John 10:9 (King James Version)9.I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 21.I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation. 22.The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. [ Luke 20:17 Acts 4:11 & 1 Peter 2:7] [verses 22-23.= Matt 21:42 Mark 12:10-11.]The corner stone is the most important in any building. 23.This is the LORD's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.They were the first to know God and receive salvation and God has been a deliverer of his people from the beginning.
verzanumi24 So who are the chosen people of God? Us, Christians, the Church. It is Christians who have been and is doing God's will on the earth, of which the Children as a whole failed to do. Not that God has forsaken the house of Israel, in fact the Bible shows that when we have been glorified, God will use us to bring salvation to the house of Israel, and they in turn will be a light to bring the remaining Gentiles to God.
No! For by the same reasoning you use above David cannot be a christian if he is a jew or are you seeing the light? That all who do what is right is acceptable to God. Peter in Acts with the sheet. God declared the Gentiles clean and a gentile was only a gentile because they were not a Jew and did not know God or follow his covenant. Now we have a covenant where all may become the children of God. But unlike the Jews the gentile did not have a covenant with the true God till Jesus came. They were the builders and the children of Abraham but not all spiritual children like David and the prophets.Again today we have believers who are not all spiritually alive and so our Lord will say, " Go away I never knew you." For those who are children of God love him and their neighbour.
verzanumi24 The rituals that the Israelites were commanded to observe is actually God's plan of salvation for making.....read it with that in mind. Study the Old Testament as you would the New (the early Church did not have the New Testament Bible, they studded the Old to learn what God's intention), it will open a whole new world to you……most of the Old Testament is prophecy, which is yet to be fulfilled.
The only scripture spoken about in the New Testament was the Old Testament. But the Lord teaches us that John 6:39 & 45. (King James Version)39.And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.John 6:45 (King James Version)45.It is written in the prophets,
And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. [Isaiah 54:13 (King James Version)13.And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 1 John 2:27.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.. ] All the people of God who have circumcised hearts are taught by the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth there is no error or confusion in his teachings. And they can only be received by those in the Spirit. That is why it is important every believer searches the scriptures for themselves and lives according to the Spirits leading and teachings.Galations 5:18.But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.Love Faithful.
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