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Hi Ricky W,Christ was called the Son of Man and the Son of God and both can be explainned.Jesus had many names. Son of God; The word; High Priest; Messiah; Son of Man and Lord.Son of GOD Jesus was the first to teach us to think of God our Father in an intimate way. It is clear from his use of my Father and your Father that he thought of his own relationship with God in a different way from us. It was for this reason the Jewish authorities accused him of making himself equal with God. The term Son of God is used more in the gospel of JohnJohn 20:17.Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. ; John 5: 18 & 25.18.Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. 25.Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. ; John 20:31.31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.Every name even those not shown here tells us something about the real character of Jesus Christ and who he really is and why he came.Son of Man. Daniel 7:9-14.Daniel (King James Version) 9.I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10.A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11.I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12.As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. 13.I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14.And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.The ultimate proof that Christ is the Son of God and the Son of Man and is truth and is no lies, is this.Mahomet did not preach the truth which the prophets preached.In fact he spoke against the prophets and truth by changing the words they spake. God clearly warns they must not add or take away anything in the word which has taught them.Deuteronomy 12:32 (King James Version)32.What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.The law came by Moses but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ.John 1:14 .And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Line up the word of God and his teachings through the prophets then look at the life Christ lived and the life mahomet lived. You will find only one obeyed the true God. For the real test of being a child of God is whether your life reflects the real Father and God or that of Satan. We see Jesus was the living word, living the words of the Old Testament.Why do you think mahomet has a grave and Jesus Christ doesn't?The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. The only way to true peace is love for God and our neighbour.Yahw says, " Thou shalt not kill." No one can twist the words of Christ which are the Fathers, to commit evil.Look at what God clearly teaches about Jesus Christ.Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18 -22. (King James Version)15.The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; Mahomet was not born of their brethren the seed of Isaac.Jesus Christ was 18.I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19.And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. All muslims do not hearken unto the word of in Christ Jesus so God will require it of them. 20.But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. Only Christ spoke in the name of YHWH and as we see he does not have a grave. 21.And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?22.When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.The things Christ spoke of, including the fall of Jerusalem and his rising from the dead, all happened as did the the things Gods prophets spoke about.But nothing Mahomet had said has come to anything but men using what he says to be evil or good. But none born of truth in the Spirit through Christ.And we know righteousness of God people have always been born of God through faith and them knowing the true God.The truth is only hidden from those who are to perish.Faithful.
 

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I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most MercifulDear Amy and Faithful,Thank you very much for your kindness in explaining the bible according to your personal understanding of it, faithfull.However, i will asking a lot of question rather then judging or done blashpemy to your Faith(I do hope God guiding me and all of us trough His path, and can showing the real truth was to you all, Insya Allah).And amy, i'm still waiting the answer of your own question to me, as a mater affect, Faithfull has explain also, that Jesus indeed the son of Man also beside others.But i do hope you can focus on the your question Amy that you pointed at me before. I really want to know your answer.And actually, i can show you what's wrong with your latest response on me, but i will patient on that.And regarding on your post, please be patient, because what you are giving was a long line text to be read and response, so i need to copied first then let see what i can do to share with you. I do hope i can share with you, give the answer.By the way are you open minded person ?Why don't you answer my litte question above ?
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And if you think that i'm taking personally, i think you don't get it what i'm going up to. I need you to think that in this Sub forum ofcourse you will dealing with others believers and i need to know your answer, if you being threaten like the way you threaten others. But the most i attend is, i want to know your answer regarding on your statement by requestion your own question.And amy, the 'research' that you are talking about, most of them was being answer in the website link that i gave you[url="http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm]http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm[/url] vs http://www.answering-islam.com/ac.htmAnd if you asking an answer from me, please i insist like the way you are insist on me to read what is in the webiste that i gave you!
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Hi Ricky W,Christ was called the Son of Man and the Son of God and both can be explainned.Jesus had many names. Son of God; The word; High Priest; Messiah; Son of Man and Lord.Son of GOD Jesus was the first to teach us to think of God our Father in an intimate way. It is clear from his use of my Father and your Father that he thought of his own relationship with God in a different way from us. It was for this reason the Jewish authorities accused him of making himself equal with God. The term Son of God is used more in the gospel of JohnJohn 20:17.Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. ; John 5: 18 & 25.18.Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. 25.Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. ; John 20:31.31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.Every name even those not shown here tells us something about the real character of Jesus Christ and who he really is and why he came.Son of Man. Daniel 7:9-14.Daniel (King James Version) 9.I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10.A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11.I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12.As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. 13.I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14.And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.The ultimate proof that Christ is the Son of God and the Son of Man and is truth and is no lies, is this.Mahomet did not preach the truth which the prophets preached.In fact he spoke against the prophets and truth by changing the words they spake. God clearly warns they must not add or take away anything in the word which has taught them.Deuteronomy 12:32 (King James Version)32.What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.The law came by Moses but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ.John 1:14 .And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Line up the word of God and his teachings through the prophets then look at the life Christ lived and the life mahomet lived. You will find only one obeyed the true God. For the real test of being a child of God is whether your life reflects the real Father and God or that of Satan. We see Jesus was the living word, living the words of the Old Testament.Why do you think mahomet has a grave and Jesus Christ doesn't?The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. The only way to true peace is love for God and our neighbour.Yahw says, " Thou shalt not kill." No one can twist the words of Christ which are the Fathers, to commit evil.Look at what God clearly teaches about Jesus Christ.Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18 -22. (King James Version)15.The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; Mahomet was not born of their brethren the seed of Isaac.Jesus Christ was 18.I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19.And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. All muslims do not hearken unto the word of in Christ Jesus so God will require it of them. 20.But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. Only Christ spoke in the name of YHWH and as we see he does not have a grave. 21.And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?22.When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.The things Christ spoke of, including the fall of Jerusalem and his rising from the dead, all happened as did the the things Gods prophets spoke about.But nothing Mahomet had said has come to anything but men using what he says to be evil or good. But none born of truth in the Spirit through Christ.And we know righteousness of God people have always been born of God through faith and them knowing the true God.The truth is only hidden from those who are to perish.Faithful.
Faithful, I so agree with thee. We are not to change the Truth to a lie.Romans 1:25 - Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.:amen: AND :blessyou:Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Ricky Thank you very much for your kindness in explaining the bible according to your personal understanding of it, faithfull.
Have you not heard Ricky? Isaiah 54:13 (King James Version)13.And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.John 6:45 (King James Version)45.It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.Only those whom hath been taught by God come unto Jesus.Do you still believe it is my own personal understanding. The word of God show it is I, who have been taught of God for I believe Jesus is the Messiah. Whom do you say he is?Faithful.
 

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I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most MercifulDear Amy and Faithful,Thank you very much for your kindness in explaining the bible according to your personal understanding of it, faithfull.However, i will asking a lot of question rather then judging or done blashpemy to your Faith(I do hope God guiding me and all of us trough His path, and can showing the real truth was to you all, Insya Allah).And amy, i'm still waiting the answer of your own question to me, as a mater affect, Faithfull has explain also, that Jesus indeed the son of Man also beside others.But i do hope you can focus on the your question Amy that you pointed at me before. I really want to know your answer.And actually, i can show you what's wrong with your latest response on me, but i will patient on that.And regarding on your post, please be patient, because what you are giving was a long line text to be read and response, so i need to copied first then let see what i can do to share with you. I do hope i can share with you, give the answer.By the way are you open minded person ?Why don't you answer my litte question above ?
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And if you think that i'm taking personally, i think you don't get it what i'm going up to. I need you to think that in this Sub forum ofcourse you will dealing with others believers and i need to know your answer, if you being threaten like the way you threaten others. But the most i attend is, i want to know your answer regarding on your statement by requestion your own question.And amy, the 'research' that you are talking about, most of them was being answer in the website link that i gave you[url="http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm]http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm[/url] vs http://www.answering-islam.com/ac.htmAnd if you asking an answer from me, please i insist like the way you are insist on me to read what is in the webiste that i gave you!
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Best regards,Ricky WisnadriGod(Allah) Knows Best
Very funny Ricky
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I have answered all your questions if you look deep in my replies you will find them. As for the very last verses that you quoted, they were answered by Faithful. In case you haven't noticed I said Amen to his reply. I hope you know what is meant by Amen? Ironically, you have taken Faithfuls reply all wrong. He has clearly agreed that Jesus is the Son of God and explained it to you in many ways. Perhaps you are not ready for these answers or perhaps you have read his reply with a set mind.In fact it is you who hasn't answered my questions. I suggest you read the whole thread all over again !
 

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Hi Amy & thesuperjag,:angel9:
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Thanks for your replies, sorry I did not get back to you earlier.Ricky is not looking for answers but a way to tear down your faith and build up his own faith in what is false. He will expect answers to co-incide with what he has been taught, hence reassuring himself that the truths you tell are false. faithful:):
 

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Faithful is right, this thread is going in circles...It doesn't do any good at all. It like we are trying to prove a point to a blind (spiritually) man. So in short...I Corinthians 14:38 - But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Dear Faithful
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The more they tear our faith down with lies, the double we build it up with up, for we have the power :bible:I agree truth is harsh and the one that plays with fire will only burn his hands. Lets just keep prayering for their souls:pray3:
 

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Faithful is right, this thread is going in circles...It doesn't do any good at all. It like we are trying to prove a point to a blind (spiritually) man. So in short...I Corinthians 14:38 - But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
Yeah, we can only show the light :angel10: it is for Jesus to heal the blind :cool: The time is near and we still have a lot to do, lets get back to work :shepard:
 

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Hi thesuperjag and Amy,Rick W (sorry for speaking as if not to you I do apologise for using the third person ) He has knowledge of the bible because he was taught the things a believer in Christ would say and what part of the bible they would use. Forewarned is forearmed. But we unlike them are taught that the real enemy is Satan to the faith. The difference being Satan knows Yhwh is the real God and hence is not worried about those who already belong to him because they believe what is false.It is Gods people he brings the nations of the earth against in Revelations and they are the believers in the true Messiah.Those who do not have a love of truth as Paul teaches in 2 Thessalonians 2:7-11 (King James Version) 7.For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8.And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9.Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10.And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:Note God the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob chose to reveal this to the true believers, it is in the christian bible as a testament to the truth when the day comes and Christ says, 'go away I never knew you'. when the whole earth mourns at his coming and those who left the faith for false ones will see the true word of God does not fail to do what he says it will.Ricky W, Have you the truth or had God sent strong delusion that you should believe a lie? You see if you believe the prophets of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were telling the truth, then your prophet Mahomet was not.And if you study the bible completely especially the prophets you will see the things they do not tell you.It is good you want to learn but are you ready to test to see if what you have learned is sustained by God through his prophets. Till you are ready to read the Old Testament in full without any other writings and understanding, you can never ever ever say in all honesty and truth before the God of Abraham. Isaac and Jacob, "I know what I believe is the truth."Love Faithful.
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I seek refuge in God, from Satan the rejectedIn the name of Allah(God), Most Gracious, Most Merciful(amy)
Very funny Ricky I have answered all your questions if you look deep in my replies you will find them.
You shouldn't tell me to find out deeply
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, because i'm not a christian, you should guiding me to find it not to ordered to find something that i event don't know yet. Didn't i told on the latest post of mine, just considered i'm a stupid man, so as a teacher you should guide me not just give to find. And i do swear to God who Create the Universe really don't know where was your answer regarding on your own question. If you still not getting the point that what i want to know, i'll explaining to you.
As for the very last verses that you quoted, they were answered by Faithful. In case you haven't noticed I said Amen to his reply. I hope you know what is meant by Amen?
I really don't know on your term, but in arabic term, litle bit i know
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Ironically, you have taken Faithfuls reply all wrong. He has clearly agreed that Jesus is the Son of God and explained it to you in many ways. Perhaps you are not ready for these answers or perhaps you have read his reply with a set mind.In fact it is you who hasn't answered my questions. I suggest you read the whole thread all over again !
Now i'm asking you does faithful also agreed that Jesus was son of Man as a truth also ?Do i misquoting on the Faith has been said, or you are the not read closely what i'm saying ?("Ricky W")
And amy, i'm still waiting the answer of your own question to me, as a mater affect, Faithfull has explain also, that Jesus indeed the son of Man also beside others.
Now Amy, do i wrong taken from what faithful has been given ?
 

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Ricky I ask you to look deeply because it is obvious that YOU have a weak understanding than an average person, one because of your communication skills and secondly you are a non-believer
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Strange you don't understand Amen, it is also used by muslims at the end of their prayers. See here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen Therefore, in short its an affirmation which as per english dictionary means confirmation, declaration which in short could mean ''so be it''. Which in simple you say when you agree onto something. I can't believe I have to explain an adult in such details
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Yes, you have taken Faithfuls message wrong. Ask him yourself or simply read his recent replies
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In fact, so far no one in this thread has agreed to that Jesus is the son of man.Note: you still haven't answered my questions
 

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Ricky I ask you to look deeply because it is obvious that YOU have a weak understanding than an average person, one because of your communication skills and secondly you are a non-believer
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Strange you don't understand Amen, it is also used by muslims at the end of their prayers. See here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen Therefore, in short its an affirmation which as per english dictionary means confirmation, declaration which in short could mean ''so be it''. Which in simple you say when you agree onto something. I can't believe I have to explain an adult in such details
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Yes, you have taken Faithfuls message wrong. Ask him yourself or simply read his recent replies
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In fact, so far no one in this thread has agreed to that Jesus is the son of man.Note: you still haven't answered my questions
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Quote:Originally Posted by Ricky W And amy, i'm still waiting the answer of your own question to me, as a mater affect, Faithfull has explain also, that Jesus indeed the son of Man also beside others. Now Amy, do i wrong taken from what faithful has been given ?
To him he does not have the whole truth. He has been taught ( not from knowledge of their teachings) that this means he was born flesh as one of us.So all men sons of man. But what he does not have is the truth that goes with this teaching. 2 John 1:6-9.6.And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. 7.For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8.Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9.Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Christ was fully flesh being born a spiritual Adam. The first of his kind, flesh spiritually born alive to God. Jesus did not sin whilst in the flesh but he was flesh and blood whilst here. So clearly he is the Son of Man and the Son of God. Because whilst he was fully flesh he lived as the Son of God dwelling with man whilst living as his Father. Jesus had to be flesh to become the perfect sacrifice. These truths are not taught to people like RickyW because they are of God and not the world.1 John 1-3 & 14.1.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2.The same was in the beginning with God. 3.All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 14.And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Luke 3.22.And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. God himself declares himself, that Jesus is his son. Before time and space he was always Gods Son.1 Peter 2:22 (King James Version)22.Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:Jesus did not come into being at birth, he always existed. And we know he was without sin.So whilst flesh a Son of man (in his case The Son of Man the first like our true Father spiritual) he was also the first true Son of God, obedient and without sin.He had no bias because he was born of a virgin by the power of God. So clearly he is both flesh and yet he is still the Son of God who existed from the beginning. A perfect sacrifice without any blemish as required by law.Love Faithful.
 

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Hi Amy,To him he does not have the whole truth. He has been taught ( not from knowledge of their teachings) that this means he was born flesh as one of us.So all men sons of man. But what he does not have is the truth that goes with this teaching. 2 John 1:6-9.6.And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. 7.For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8.Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9.Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Christ was fully flesh being born a spiritual Adam. The first of his kind, flesh spiritually born alive to God. Jesus did not sin whilst in the flesh but he was flesh and blood whilst here. So clearly he is the Son of Man and the Son of God. Because whilst he was fully flesh he lived as the Son of God dwelling with man whilst living as his Father. Jesus had to be flesh to become the perfect sacrifice. These truths are not taught to people like RickyW because they are of God and not the world.1 John 1-3 & 14.1.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2.The same was in the beginning with God. 3.All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 14.And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Luke 3.22.And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. God himself declares himself, that Jesus is his son. Before time and space he was always Gods Son.1 Peter 2:22 (King James Version)22.Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:Jesus did not come into being at birth, he always existed. And we know he was without sin.So whilst flesh a Son of man (in his case The Son of Man the first like our true Father spiritual) he was also the first true Son of God, obedient and without sin.He had no bias because he was born of a virgin by the power of God. So clearly he is both flesh and yet he is still the Son of God who existed from the beginning. A perfect sacrifice without any blemish as required by law.Love Faithful.
Faithful, may I conclude like this way.Jesus was called by son of Man, because indeed he was has flesh act and ate like the way human being was, in here we can say that he was 100% Human.Jesus was called by son of God, because the first come was from God's Word and the God's Word was God, and he can do a miracle which there isn't any from ordinary human event prophet that can do like the way Jesus did, and that's why Jesus also called by 100% GodThis is from christian perspective correct ? I do hope what i'm conclude is true according to your perspective.Now let see what does amy has been asked from me before.If i'm not mistake, amy has said that Jesus born from God, then i give response that was not God which birth of Jesus, but the virgin of Mary was having birth of Jesus. This is the answer that I gave before.An addition of the answer, and because of Mary then Jesus has the flesh from Mary blood. Then by this kind of reason i called Jesus was son of Man, event from the beginning was from God. The same condition was happen when Adam gave birth at the first time.Jesus and Adam have born for the first time by God's Word (this is what i called with the same condition). That is my answer on the polemic that perhaps what i caused on amy.Then i asked to amy, according her questioned on me, then i want to know her answer by giving Jesus statement that he was indeed son of Man. At the first verse on Matthew that i brought randomly, just considered i have mistake, because Jesus was not talking/claim to be son of Man, his saying on that verse was saying the word what is in pagans/jews hat. So actually that was not Jesus claim, but what is on the pagans/jews head. Correct amy ?And then i gave another verse which is Jesus was talking to his disciples that he was the son of Man. So the point what i'm going to give you is that Jesus was indeed proclaim him self as son of Man (notes:i'm not talking about others point here, i'm just focusing on your question on me. I do know that you are beliefe that Jesus was son of Man as well son of God, but once again i'm just focusing on one point that is about your question on me).(amy)
How can you call such a child ''Son of Man'' (as per your link) who was not born of Man but God?
Now regarding on your question above, then i asked you, how is your answer event Jesus himself called by son of Man meanwhile he(Jesus) him self know that he was born of God ?If Jesus him self called him self with son of Man then why should i can't ?Do you got my point amy ?Wallahu a'lam.
 

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Faithful, may I conclude like this way.Jesus was called by son of Man, because indeed he was has flesh act and ate like the way human being was, in here we can say that he was 100% Human.
No you CAN NOT call him Son of Man because son of man is born of SIN !But yes, you can say that He was Son of God who came to this world to purify the Sin Of Man and reform the relationship between God and Mankind through his sacrifice - The Crusifiction.
 

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He had no bias because he was born of a virgin by the power of God. So clearly he is both flesh and yet he is still the Son of God who existed from the beginning. A perfect sacrifice without any blemish as required by law.Love Faithful.
This could not be explained any simpler :shepard:praise God for your Faith :pray3:Love Amy
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No you CAN NOT call him Son of Man because son of man is born of SIN !
Then how come he called him self as son of Man to his disciple ?
 

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Then how come he called him self as son of Man to his disciple ?
He did not. It was Him his disciples and then the scribers present in the situation you quoted - Mathew. I thought you said, you understood that. trying to make us run in circles ricky?He was talking to the scribers. Because he could read their thoughts. Scribers called him blasphemth in their mind, not the disciples. And Jesus replied to them in voice using the same words as in their thoughts ''son of man'' but in an ironic manner. Can the son of man forgive sins? Can you forgive all my sins ricky? Can muhammed forgive my sins? Jesus could !Now please don't expect me to explain each and every verse in the bible. Take this situation and do 2 x 2 yourself as to who has been addressed.
 

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RickyW,You must understand that Jesus is not God the Father, or the Spirit, he is God the Son. Why and how all three one? Till you can answer this question you will never understand who God is in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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