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Axehead

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Why can't anyone give a straight answer?

1. Is there freedom from the power of sin in Christ Jesus?
2. Does God want us to experience power over sin?
3. Does God want us to experience a pure heart?

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Hi jiggyfly,

it is built on the reality of my genuine fellowship with Father and the assurances He gives me personally.

This is great, but surely you have been through quite a long season when you needed scripture as well as the testimony/witness of others, to enable you to plot your own position, and assure yourself that the spirit with whom you commune is indeed the Holy Spirit?
 

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Why can't anyone give a straight answer?

1. Is there freedom from the power of sin in Christ Jesus?
2. Does God want us to experience power over sin?
3. Does God want us to experience a pure heart?

Axehead
Why can't anyone give a straight answer?

1. Is there freedom from the power of sin in Christ Jesus?
2. Does God want us to experience power over sin?
3. Does God want us to experience a pure heart?

Axehead
Yes

Yes

Yes

All things are possible with God!
All glory to Him!!!!!!

Bless you Axehead. :)
 

Axehead

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Yes

Yes

Yes

All things are possible with God!
All glory to Him!!!!!!

Bless you Axehead. :)

Well Amen Johnny!

It would be horrible if the Lord could not purify our hearts and cause us to walk righteously.

How in the world could anyone have confidence and not be ashamed at His coming if they were not proceeding from faith to faith and glory to glory in their life with Jesus Christ?

1John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Do we just hone a wonderfully positive attitude about believing in Christ, though we are filled with evil thoughts and do evil deeds and walk in the flesh?

Is that what walking with Christ has come to? The Power of Positive Thinking? With Christian Science you ignore the reality of the physical and with Positive Thinking you ignore the reality of the spiritual (spiritual condition).

Johnny, these questions are rhetorical and you don't have to answer. I am confident, even (and especially) in your youth and from reading your posts that you know what the answers are. Praise God for that, brother!

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Hi jiggyfly,



This is great, but surely you have been through quite a long season when you needed scripture as well as the testimony/witness of others, to enable you to plot your own position, and assure yourself that the spirit with whom you commune is indeed the Holy Spirit?

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Hi Axehead,

You said: 'Obedience is the proof of righteousness'.

Obedience to what?

As your emphasis is on physical evidence of perfect lifestyle/behavior of righteousness, then this would have to include the law of righteousness (10 commandments).

As the law of righteousness is what righteousness is determined by, I would like to ask how you are keeping the Sabbath holy? Can you give details how you always spend your time during Sabbath?
 

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Hi Axehead,

You said: 'Obedience is the proof of righteousness'.

Obedience to what?

As your emphasis is on physical evidence of perfect lifestyle/behavior of righteousness, then this would have to include the law of righteousness (10 commandments).

As the law of righteousness is what righteousness is determined by, I would like to ask how you are keeping the Sabbath holy? Can you give details how you always spend your time during Sabbath?

Haz,

Obedience is not just manifested physically. Often, obedience to the voice of the Lord is internal, yet many times, though it starts internally, it will be manifested in our words and deeds. We don't follow rules and regulations, we follow His voice in our spirit.

Jesus is my Sabbath Rest. So, my definition of the Sabbath is most likely different than yours. It is not a Day of the Week to me, but the Lord Jesus. He is the fulfillment of the Sabbath Day. Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart... We are to labor to enter His rest (resting from our works of righteousness but laboring now in the works that are from Him). Deeds that are wrought in God.

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Haz,

Obedience is not just manifested physically. Often, obedience to the voice of the Lord is internal, yet many times, though it starts internally, it will be manifested in our words and deeds. We don't follow rules and regulations, we follow His voice in our spirit.

Jesus is my Sabbath Rest. So, my definition of the Sabbath is most likely different than yours. It is not a Day of the Week to me, but the Lord Jesus. He is the fulfillment of the Sabbath Day. Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart... We are to labor to enter His rest (resting from our works of righteousness but laboring now in the works that are from Him). Deeds that are wrought in God.

Axehead

Hi Axehead,

Actually we do seem to see the Sabbath similarly. It's a surprise to find that we have finally found something to agree on...hey? :)

BUT, as your emphasis is on perfect physical behavior/lifestyle as evidence that one is saved then WHY do you not remain consistent in your doctrine and include physical Sabbath keeping on the 7th day of the week?
 

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Hi Axehead,

Epi and some of his mates claims that perfect obedience/lifestyle/behavior in thought, word, deeds must be consistently maintained as evidence that you are saved.. Epi and Prentis, for example, have said that they have not achieved this yet but they believe that one day, in this physical life, they will acheive this behavior consistently. Until then they potentially face death should they die without reaching this perfection consistently.

Epi even said that the law is a gauge to determine righteousness.

Do you differ from Epi?

I noted that you spoke against 'habitual' wrong behavior. If you differ from Epi and see that 'habitual' wrong is what proves one is lost, then I ask how is 'habitual' determined. How often can one commit an offence throughout their life before it is deemed 'habitual' resulting in such persons being lost?

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I noted that you spoke against 'habitual' wrong behavior. If you differ from Epi and see that 'habitual' wrong is what proves one is lost, then I ask how is 'habitual' determined. How often can one commit an offence throughout their life before it is deemed 'habitual' resulting in such persons being lost?

Thanks,

It's not that I speak against wrong behavior but that God speaks against it. I did not make that thought up myself. I believe that if we are concerned about habitual sin that is a good thing and if we are not concerned about it then that could be a red flag in our life. I know that turning to the Lord and His word is the direction to turn to. I maintain that He can and wants to deliver us from our sins and not just theoretically. He wants us to experience what it means to rise up and "Possess the Land". We possess the land of our mind, will, emotions and body and not let them be taken captive by the Enemy. Jesus Christ wants us to function as man should function who is in fellowship with God. We are to be slaves to righteousness. (Romans 6), in control of our faculties by the Holy Spirit within us.

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

And John:
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

The truth in these verses should keep us all coming to the Lord in humility to abide in Him to greater and greater degrees where we will find greater and greater victory in our lives the ultimate end being, that we may be found in Him.

Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: (It is this kind of faith that realizes His righteousness in and through us).

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

On your "how often" questions and I guess you are implying when does one become reprobate? I don't know. Only God knows, but I do know many try to figure out how much they can get away with before it's too late and they crossed the line and those types of thoughts and mentality I don't think proceed out of a child of God but rather proceed from a religious man.

Axehead

P.S. Read the following very carefully. I will withhold my comments but would love to hear yours.


1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
 

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It's not that I speak against wrong behavior but that God speaks against it. I did not make that thought up myself. I believe that if we are concerned about habitual sin that is a good thing and if we are not concerned about it then that could be a red flag in our life. I know that turning to the Lord and His word is the direction to turn to. I maintain that He can and wants to deliver us from our sins and not just theoretically. He wants us to experience what it means to rise up and "Possess the Land". We possess the land of our mind, will, emotions and body and not let them be taken captive by the Enemy. Jesus Christ wants us to function as man should function who is in fellowship with God. We are to be slaves to righteousness. (Romans 6), in control of our faculties by the Holy Spirit within us.

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

And John:
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

The truth in these verses should keep us all coming to the Lord in humility to abide in Him to greater and greater degrees where we will find greater and greater victory in our lives the ultimate end being, that we may be found in Him.

Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: (It is this kind of faith that realizes His righteousness in and through us).

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

On your "how often" questions and I guess you are implying when does one become reprobate? I don't know. Only God knows, but I do know many try to figure out how much they can get away with before it's too late and they crossed the line and those types of thoughts and mentality I don't think proceed out of a child of God but rather proceed from a religious man.

Axehead

I question your doctrine to highlight it's shortcomings and inconsistency with scriptural truth.
Whether it's 'habitual' or 'imperfect' behavior that condemns people under your doctrine, both I contend with as it goes beyond the gospel of Christ, as evidenced through the circumstances of the thief on the cross.

As you believe it's 'habitual' wrong that proves one is lost then that would indicate that there is a limit to forgiveness, does it not? Is that limit 7x70?


P.S. Read the following very carefully. I will withhold my comments but would love to hear yours.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Those who believe on Jesus are the children of God spoken of in these scriptures. This is not evidenced by perfect behavior/lifestyle, although often we do see Christians behavior improve once in Christ.
 

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Hi haz,

70 x 7 is the numerical value of the Hebrew word for 'perfect'. You can see from the table below that the number fits other words which are linked to each other, and which, it seems, God wants us to connect in our thinking.

I couldn't post the chart I found, which includes 'my nativity' and 'Bethlehem' (house of bread), but here are four Strong's numbers:

perfect, complete - H8549, flour - H5560, food - H4361, gift - H4976. 1 Corinthians 11:24


With regard to forgiveness, there are a few other verses which help us to understand what God is like.


Luke 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.

Luke 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
9 But he that denies me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemes against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you
your trespasses. 26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Matthew 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.


These verses raise a most interesting question about perspectives and just whose view of an act is to prevail, especially if everyone believes they are doing only what's 'right'?

And this is where we see God's perspective most fully, in that He took upon Himself the sins of the whole world: that is, He took upon Himself the very real wrongdoing and wrongness of the whole human race.... that He might be free to forgive us, because sin's debt was paid by .... Himself. In other words, His example is, that He bore the wrong, in order to regain fellowship with those who would receive Him.

In the same way, we see that even if I 'think' I have 'done' nothing 'wrong', if my attitude and actions are perceived by another to be blameworthy or offensive in some way, that other person may feel they have an obligation to forgive us, in order to maintain fellowship with God. At the same time, whether I agree with their sense of offendedness or not, in order to maintain fellowship with them, I am to seek their forgiveness as if I had actually wronged them. This is, indeed, an exercise in humility, and in Christlikeness - of having no right to insist upon my own rightness.

All those factors put the emphasis firmly on our hearts' attitudes, and whether what now comes out of our heart is consistent with the new heart and new spirit we say we received, or, we are still operating out of the old heart - Mark 7:21, 22, 23; Matt 15:18, 19, 20.

It's not possible to read the following verses (I believe) without seeing the outworking God expects from a new heart.

Ezekiel 18:29 O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal? 30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn [yourselves] from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. {yourselves: or, others} 31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dies, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn [yourselves], and live ye.

Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].

These connections between receiving a new heart and spirit, and, walking in His ways (not our own ways) run all through scripture.


Whether it's 'habitual' or 'imperfect' behavior that condemns people under your doctrine, both I contend with as it goes beyond the gospel of Christ, as evidenced through the circumstances of the thief on the cross.

It concerns me (as you know) that you're keen to make a doctrine about not having to 'do' the works that should come from a new heart, based on the one instance in the New Testament where the only way the thief could show that he had changed, was by the attitude manifested in his words, which as we know, proceed from the heart (as well actions proceed from the heart). There are many verses in the NT which declare the kind of attitudes and words expected from Christians, the doing of which declarations of the lips, is the natural expression of the heart. God knows this, because He made man like this, and then demonstrated it through His own Son; and He seeks now to live through us.

So, I wonder if you've ever considered the other thief? It sounds as if he believed Jesus could save him, too. (Don't you think?)

Luke 23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. 40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


Why did Jesus save one and not the other?
 

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I question your doctrine to highlight it's shortcomings and inconsistency with scriptural truth.
Whether it's 'habitual' or 'imperfect' behavior that condemns people under your doctrine, both I contend with as it goes beyond the gospel of Christ, as evidenced through the circumstances of the thief on the cross.

As you believe it's 'habitual' wrong that proves one is lost then that would indicate that there is a limit to forgiveness, does it not? Is that limit 7x70?




Those who believe on Jesus are the children of God spoken of in these scriptures. This is not evidenced by perfect behavior/lifestyle, although often we do see Christians behavior improve once in Christ.

We are not talking about forgiveness from God, Haz. God does not forgive willful unrepentant sin. God forgives when we repent from the heart and He knows if we are playing games with Him or not or just "turning the grace of God into lasciviousness."

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

It is sad, that many try to find "loopholes" in God's Word that will help justify them in their sin trying to get away with as much as they can and still be SAFE. These loopholes, at best are only in our imagination.

Axehead
 

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Psalm 50:16 But unto the wicked God saith,

What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or [that] thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? 17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee. 18 When thou sawest a thief, then thou consented with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers.
 

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The Third Principle of Righteousness
As we come into the New Testament we see that righteousness is not confined to law and authority. It also becomes the basis of relationship. In relationship to God, we see that righteousness brings forth reconciliation. If righteousness did not bring forth reconciliation then what good is it? God did not hide behind his authority and His power. He left His throne and came down to the sinner. A righteous God came to unrighteous man. He did not come with the law in His hands, rather He came “full of grace and truth” (John 1:14). Grace and truth brought righteousness to the sinner.

The third principle of righteousness is found in reconciliation operating through grace and truth.

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ” (John 1:17).

Here is a familiar question and topic for debate down through the centuries. Do grace and truth do away with the righteousness of the Law? No, God’s righteousness remains the same. He now brings it a different way to the sinner. Even though the Law was righteous, it could not make the unrighteous man righteous. Only grace and truth can do that!

Jesus Christ was the full expression of God’s righteousness for the sinner.

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth” (John 1:14). Grace is the lovingkindness of the Lord to the unrighteous. We must not mistake the response of mercy on God’s part to mean that He is setting aside righteousness. This is the mistake of the present day church.

Grace is the disposition of the Lord that makes it possible for the unrighteous to be righteous.
This does not come by God merely wiping the slate clean through forgiveness. Grace is more than pity. Grace comes through the Cross which deals with all of man’s unrighteousness. It was grace that brought the Son of God into the world. Grace laid upon Him the sin of every man. Grace offers the remission of sin to every sinner.

Grace cannot work apart from truth.

Truth is the revelation of righteousness that breaks the delusion of sin and penetrates the deception of pride, revealing the hypocrisy of the heart.

Truth working in the heart will bring repentance and through repentance, truth prepares the heart to receive God’s grace. Truth brings the sinner to face himself as unrighteous.

So, we see then that grace and truth work together to establish righteousness.

When grace is separated from truth, self-indulgence comes into Christians. When truth is separated from grace, legalism comes into the church. God has joined grace and truth together in Christ. God wants neither indulgent Christians nor legalists. The righteousness of God comes through grace and truth.

In Christ “mercy and truth are met together, righteousness and peace have kissed each other. Truth shall spring out of the earth and righteousness shall look down from heaven” (Psalm 85:10-11).

When grace and truth came together in Christ, righteousness came to man. When righteousness was brought forth on earth, the peace of reconciliation was released in heaven. Every sinner who allows truth to spring up in him, will receive “the gift of righteousness,” which is the remission of his sins (Romans 5:17).

Jesus Christ became the instrument of reconciliation. “For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled” (Col 1:19-21).

It is through reconciliation that the full revelation of God’s righteousness is brought forth. This takes man beyond legalism, rituals and religious traditions; through reconciliation man is brought to the heart of God.

In the third principle of righteousness, we discover that RIGHTEOUSNESS is love and forgiveness working through reconciliation. On the other hand, EVIL is hatred and unforgiveness working through alienation. It is here that evil prevails over men, even Christians. Without the spirit of reconciliation working towards others, there is no righteousness. Bitterness and hatred are contrary to righteousness.

For this reason the New Covenant speaks much about hatred and love. “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: But he that hateth his brother is in darkness (1 John 4:20, 2:11).

Hatred working through alienation destroys righteousness in one’s life.

Only by walking in reconciliation can one experience the FULL WORK OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Forgiveness is the key to maintaining the spirit of reconciliation. By forgiving, we permit God’s grace to flow into us and by releasing others, one releases himself. Here is the key to healing and restoration. When the spirit of reconciliation begins to flow out to others, one experiences the “rivers of living water” flowing through him (John 7:38). Here is life!! And here is our perfection and righteousness, that we love all men.

Let’s make some observations. First, each revelation of righteousness incorporates the preceding one. The principle of separation found in creation was incorporated by the Law to make a people for God.

The principles of separation and authority are incorporated in Christ to bring forth disciples. The new does not do away with the righteousness of the old, rather it adds to it a new dimension of God’s righteousness through reconciliation.

Second, grace follows the Law. There would be no place for grace if the Law had not first established God’s righteousness. Even with children, we do not give grace until first authority has been accepted; otherwise, obedience will be missing altogether. Again, this is the error of the church today? Many have thought they must despise righteousness in order to preach grace.

Consequently, the message of grace is ignored. Is it not the object of grace to bring righteousness where righteousness does not exist? The focus of preaching MUST come back to righteousness.

The Purpose of Grace

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works” (Titus 2:11-14).

May the Lord help us to come under His authority, receive His truth, operate in the spirit of reconciliation and increasingly walk in righteousness.

That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; (2Co 3:18)

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2Co 3:18)

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We will NOT be judged according to the righteousness of God in us...but what this has produced in us.

The saved have already been judged, condemned, crucified and raised in Christ and are awaiting "the redemption of our body". Only the finally unsaved will be judged according to their works,, as in the second resurrection (Rev 20:12, 13) which will be all who were not in the first resurrection (rev 20:5, 6).

Concerning "the judgement seat of Christ (Rom 14:10; 2 Cor 5:10) for the saved, it will be, not an issue of condemnation, but of rewards. Their is no condemnation awaiting the believer.
 

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The saved have already been judged, condemned, crucified and raised in Christ and are awaiting "the redemption of our body". Only the finally unsaved will be judged according to their works,, as in the second resurrection (Rev 20:12, 13) which will be all who were not in the first resurrection (rev 20:5, 6).

Concerning "the judgement seat of Christ (Rom 14:10; 2 Cor 5:10) for the saved, it will be, not an issue of condemnation, but of rewards. Their is no condemnation awaiting the believer.

A believer can be cut off and cast into outer darkness. This is the fate of those who are saved as by fire. So it is not true that only differing rewards await the believer...there is also net loss.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: (G2210) but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


G2210
ζημιόω
zēmioō
dzay-mee-o'-o
From G2209; to injure, that is, (reflexively or passively) to experience detriment: - be cast away, receive damage, lose, suffer loss.
 
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The saved have already been judged, condemned, crucified and raised in Christ and are awaiting "the redemption of our body". Only the finally unsaved will be judged according to their works,, as in the second resurrection (Rev 20:12, 13) which will be all who were not in the first resurrection (rev 20:5, 6).

Concerning "the judgement seat of Christ (Rom 14:10; 2 Cor 5:10) for the saved, it will be, not an issue of condemnation, but of rewards. Their is no condemnation awaiting the believer.
That depends on what they believe. If they are believing the lies of man dreamed up to fleece gods sheep for unrighteous mammon. God will not hold those who perpetrate it or who believe it harmless. Remember Eve believed the lies in the garden instead of God. Everyone has gone astray and believed the lies of the devil. That is why these prophecy scriptures exist. Every one will be Judged.

36 "For the Lord will judge His people And have compassion on His servants, When He sees that their power is gone, And there is no one remaining, bond or free.
37 He will say: 'Where are their gods, The rock in which they sought refuge?
38 Who ate the fat of their sacrifices, And drank the wine of their drink offering? Let them rise and help you, And be your refuge.
39 'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.

30 "Therefore prophesy against them all these words, and say to them: 'The Lord will roar from on high, And utter His voice from His holy habitation; He will roar mightily against His fold. He will give a shout, as those who tread the grapes, Against all the inhabitants of the earth.