The hidden things of God

RichardBurger · Aug 15, 2012

The things of God can not be understood by men unless they are revealed to them by God. As it can be seen, even those to whom Jesus told things His words were hidden from their eyes. Today it is the same, men think they know about God's will for them simple by interpretations of the scriptures and can not see thyat they mean exactly what they say in context.

Deut 29:29
29 "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
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Rom 16:25-27
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
26 but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith —
27 to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.
NKJV

Matt 13:34-35
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them,
35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying:
"I will open My mouth in parables;
I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world."
NKJV

Eph 3:8-12
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
NKJV

Matt 13:11-15
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.'
NKJV

Luke 8:10
10 And He said, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that
'Seeing they may not see,
And hearing they may not understand.'
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Luke 9:43-45
But while everyone marveled at all the things which Jesus did, He said to His disciples,
44 "Let these words sink down into your ears, for the Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men."
45 But they did not understand this saying, and it was hidden from them so that they did not perceive it; and they were afraid to ask Him about this saying.
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John 8:42-43
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
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John 10:6
6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.
NKJV

whitestone · Aug 15, 2012

Don't fret Richard. There are men here who can help you in your understanding who don't use private interpretations, but only use the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ Come to know Him and follow Him in righteousness. Keep an eye out for them, I recommend Episkopos, Axehead, Dragonfly, Prentis, Johnny, and perhaps some others will show up also. Pay close attention to their expositions if you love perfect Bible study through the Revelation of Christ Jesus in them.

Peace,
Whitestone

RichardBurger · Aug 15, 2012

whitestone said:
Don't fret Richard. There are men here who can help you in your understanding who don't use private interpretations, but only use the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ Come to know Him and follow Him in righteousness. Keep an eye out for them, I recommend Episkopos, Axehead, Dragonfly, Prentis, Johnny, and perhaps some others will show up also. Pay close attention to their expositions if you love perfect Bible study through the Revelation of Christ Jesus in them.

Peace,
Whitestone

Why would you say "don't fret"? There is nothing in what I wrote that would indicate any thing about ME freting. Are your intentions to make me the subject of your replies or what I wrote?

Are you aware that we have a Bible that contains the words of God and that when a person puts their belief, faith, trust and confidence in the work of God on the cross the Holy Spriit teaches (reveals to) that person what the words mean?

John 14:25-26
25 "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
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But in this modern age most religious people who claim to be Christian do not really believe that the Holy Spirit exist or if they do they think He is silent and never speaks to the hearts of the children of God.

As for me, I completely believe the word of God since I believe verse 26 above is completely true.

JoeinArkansas · Aug 15, 2012

RichardBurger said:
The things of God can not be understood by men unless they are revealed to them by God. As it can be seen, even those to whom Jesus told things His words were hidden from their eyes. Today it is the same, men think they know about God's will for them simple by interpretations of the scriptures and can not see thyat they mean exactly what they say in context.

Deut 29:29
29 "The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.
NKJV

Rom 16:25-27
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
26 but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith —
27 to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.
NKJV

Matt 13:34-35
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them,
35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying:
"I will open My mouth in parables;
I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world."
NKJV

Eph 3:8-12
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
NKJV

Matt 13:11-15
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.'
NKJV

Luke 8:10
10 And He said, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that
'Seeing they may not see,
And hearing they may not understand.'
NKJV

Luke 9:43-45
But while everyone marveled at all the things which Jesus did, He said to His disciples,
44 "Let these words sink down into your ears, for the Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men."
45 But they did not understand this saying, and it was hidden from them so that they did not perceive it; and they were afraid to ask Him about this saying.
NKJV

John 8:42-43
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
NKJV

John 10:6
6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.
NKJV

Richard,
I agree with your post completely but I am not sure of your reason for it. Here is my take on the subject of Christ hiding His truth: True understanding of scripture is hidden from the world and is only revealed to Christ's Elect. Many of the verses you quoted support this truth. Scripture speaks of having "eyes and ears" that are given to us by Christ so that spiritual understanding can take place. Mark 8:22-25 demostrates this for us. In this portion of scripture, Christ teaches us a parable through His actions with the blind man. The blind man represents those who are "called out" and seek to know Christ. When we first come out to Christ, we are spiritually blind (the first healing of the blind man that kept him very nearsighted) and remain so until Christ comes to us a second time to completely heal our vision. The "many called" are represented by the first healing of the blind man. Those Christians make up the churches of the world (that is the reason why their are so many different denominational churches - it is the blind leading the blind). Only Christ's Elect who receive the second healing are given eyes to see spiritual truths. Until we see clearly (the second healing or commonly referred to as Christ's second coming though misunderstood), we are spiritually blind and are easily deceived by false teachings. But after a time, Christ will come to a select few whom He chooses and will heal their spiritual vision completely. Those who are completely healed are His Elect who make up His true church.

Paul's conversion teaches the same pattern. Paul accepted Christ on the road to Damasus. His blindness at that time reflects a time of spiritual blindness that we all must endure until Christ returns to us a second time to heal our spiritual vision. While we are spiritually blind waiting on our spiritual healing, we enter the harlot church and are lead astray by Satan who masquerades as Christ. But for those whom Christ chooses for His true church, Christ will return again and heal their spiritual vision so that they can see the true Christ. They soon discover the one they have been following is "another Jesus" and they hear Christ's call to "come out of her my people". Once His chosen elect come out of the harlot, their spiritual growth in Christ commences.

Christ hides His truth from all mankind and it is He who chooses whom to reveal Himself to. Thus, much of the book of Revelation deals with the unveiling of Christ, as the name Revelation implies and that is why it is "signified" or hidden by symbols. Christ is choosing His church, we cannot volunteer ourselves into it. That is one of the main reasons why the true meaning of scripture is hidden and that is why those who are chosen for the church are called blessed.

Our salvation is truly in the hands of our Lord and Savior. But He is faithful and true and is not willing that any should be lost. We all have a time appointed for salvation, however, most of mankind will not receive the blessing of being in His church.

Joe

RichardBurger · Aug 16, 2012

JoeinArkansas said:
Richard,
I agree with your post completely but I am not sure of your reason for it. Here is my take on the subject of Christ hiding His truth: True understanding of scripture is hidden from the world and is only revealed to Christ's Elect. Many of the verses you quoted support this truth. Scripture speaks of having "eyes and ears" that are given to us by Christ so that spiritual understanding can take place. Mark 8:22-25 demostrates this for us. In this portion of scripture, Christ teaches us a parable through His actions with the blind man. The blind man represents those who are "called out" and seek to know Christ. When we first come out to Christ, we are spiritually blind (the first healing of the blind man that kept him very nearsighted) and remain so until Christ comes to us a second time to completely heal our vision. The "many called" are represented by the first healing of the blind man. Those Christians make up the churches of the world (that is the reason why their are so many different denominational churches - it is the blind leading the blind). Only Christ's Elect who receive the second healing are given eyes to see spiritual truths. Until we see clearly (the second healing or commonly referred to as Christ's second coming though misunderstood), we are spiritually blind and are easily deceived by false teachings. But after a time, Christ will come to a select few whom He chooses and will heal their spiritual vision completely. Those who are completely healed are His Elect who make up His true church.

Paul's conversion teaches the same pattern. Paul accepted Christ on the road to Damasus. His blindness at that time reflects a time of spiritual blindness that we all must endure until Christ returns to us a second time to heal our spiritual vision. While we are spiritually blind waiting on our spiritual healing, we enter the harlot church and are lead astray by Satan who masquerades as Christ. But for those whom Christ chooses for His true church, Christ will return again and heal their spiritual vision so that they can see the true Christ. They soon discover the one they have been following is "another Jesus" and they hear Christ's call to "come out of her my people". Once His chosen elect come out of the harlot, their spiritual growth in Christ commences.

Christ hides His truth from all mankind and it is He who chooses whom to reveal Himself to. Thus, much of the book of Revelation deals with the unveiling of Christ, as the name Revelation implies and that is why it is "signified" or hidden by symbols. Christ is choosing His church, we cannot volunteer ourselves into it. That is one of the main reasons why the true meaning of scripture is hidden and that is why those who are chosen for the church are called blessed.

Our salvation is truly in the hands of our Lord and Savior. But He is faithful and true and is not willing that any should be lost. We all have a time appointed for salvation, however, most of mankind will not receive the blessing of being in His church.

Joe

Why are you unable to see the purpose for the OP?

The scriptures PLAINLY tell us that Paul's gospel was """""hidden"""" in God and revealed to him by revelation and he was to teach it to the Gentiles and the whole world. My Bible says he was sent by Jesus to the Gentiles.

But the religious simple will not believe that the gospel Paul preached was a different (HIDDEN) gospel that replaced the gospel of the kingdom which would be under the Law.(the Jewish kingdom God promised to the Jews only).

Paul said that he was the first to be saved under grace and he was the pattern for those that would come after him. That is what Paul said. But the religious will not believe it. They cling to Jesus and the 12 over Paul's gospel that the scriptures PLAINLY say was the Apostle to the Gentiles and Jew who would leave the Law and come under grace.

Gal 1:11-12
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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Paul's gospel was not taught to him by men (the 12) it was from Jesus by revelation.

Phil 3:17-19
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: (((no where in the first 4 gospels and the first few verse of Acts do we see the cross of Christ mentioned.))
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1 Tim 1:16-17
16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.
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Can you see the words """"in me first?""" It is obvious to me that the religious can't see them.

Episkopos · Aug 16, 2012

No one is being forced into the Jewish kingdom, nor the Jewish bride of Christ , nor the Jewish city of New Jerusalem.

RichardBurger · Aug 16, 2012

Episkopos said:
No one is being forced into the Jewish kingdom, nor the Jewish bride of Christ , nor the Jewish city of New Jerusalem.

Has anyone said they are?

Episkopos · Aug 16, 2012

RichardBurger said:
Has anyone said they are?

I think it is safe to assume that most Christians DO want to be in the bride of Christ. Maybe that is why so few will seek to avoid the gospel of the kingdom as you do.

RichardBurger · Aug 16, 2012

Episkopos said:
I think it is safe to assume that most Christians DO want to be in the bride of Christ. Maybe that is why so few will seek to avoid the gospel of the kingdom as you do.

The Jews were the bride of Christ. Today a child of God is a part of the body of Christ. There is a difference.

The gospel of the kingdom was the message that the "kingdom of God" was at hand. All through the O.T. the Jews had been promised a kingdom on this earth ruled by a Messiah. This kingdom was to rule the earth and the Gentile would be blessed by being able to live on this earth in peace and it would be under the Law of Moses.

This is what Jesus came to setup but the Jews refused Him as their king when they said; John 19:15
15 But they cried out, "Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!"
Pilate said to them, "Shall I crucify your King?"
The chief priests answered,"We have no king but Caesar!"
NKJV

Therefore, Jesus turned to the Gentiles with a new gospel of God's grace by sending Paul to the Gentiles.

All of this is in the scriptures you say you believe.

Episkopos · Aug 16, 2012

RichardBurger said:
The Jews were the bride of Christ. Today a child of God is a part of the body of Christ. There is a difference.

The gospel of the kingdom was the message that the "kingdom of God" was at hand. All through the O.T. the Jews had been promised a kingdom on this earth ruled by a Messiah. This kingdom was to rule the earth and the Gentile would be blessed by being able to live on this earth in peace and it would be under the Law of Moses.

This is what Jesus came to setup but the Jews refused Him as their king when they said; John 19:15
15 But they cried out, "Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!"
Pilate said to them, "Shall I crucify your King?"
The chief priests answered,"We have no king but Caesar!"
NKJV

Therefore, Jesus turned to the Gentiles with a new gospel of God's grace by sending Paul to the Gentiles.

All of this is in the scriptures you say you believe.

Actually it is the same wedding but different participants...Go out into the highways and byways.

Your error lies in the distinction you make between humans. God is the God of all flesh...there is only one Lord, one faith and one baptism (Spirit). So we are all One new man together in Christ. There is no different gospel for Gentiles. Paul did say that to the Jew he became as a Jew and to the Gentile he became as a Gentile. I think your confusion stems from a simple misunderstanding of Paul and his effort to be all things to all men!

whitestone · Aug 16, 2012

RichardBurger said:
The Jews were the bride of Christ. Today a child of God is a part of the body of Christ. There is a difference.

The gospel of the kingdom was the message that the "kingdom of God" was at hand. All through the O.T. the Jews had been promised a kingdom on this earth ruled by a Messiah. This kingdom was to rule the earth and the Gentile would be blessed by being able to live on this earth in peace and it would be under the Law of Moses.

This is what Jesus came to setup but the Jews refused Him as their king when they said; John 19:15
15 But they cried out, "Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!"
Pilate said to them, "Shall I crucify your King?"
The chief priests answered,"We have no king but Caesar!"
NKJV

Therefore, Jesus turned to the Gentiles with a new gospel of God's grace by sending Paul to the Gentiles.

All of this is in the scriptures you say you believe.

False. Jesus came and did exactly as He said He would in the Law and the Prophets. The jews, in their false idea that the Kingom was "natural" (on the planet) instead of spiritual, (In the Body of Christ), were cut off because of this false anticipation. The Jews certainly do not have Christ as their King, as they said.

The Bride of Christ is all believers, aka Israel, New Jerusalem, Mt Sion etc as the entire NT message is about.
Only believers in Christ are Israel, are the Wife of God. The entire NT message.
Only in this manner is the Son of God brought forth from within us in salvation, through this Holy Matrimony between Christ and the Church. The entire NT message.
Any doctrine speaking against this is of the devil. Especially that "rapture" doctrine and "millenium" doctrine that originated from Margaret McDonald of Glasgow Scotland in 1836, teachings of men called "dispensationalism", better known as "futurism".
All of the devil. Word to the wise to avoid man made doctrines and only rely upon the Word of God.

Peace,
Whitestone

RichardBurger · Aug 16, 2012

whitestone said:
False. Jesus came and did exactly as He said He would in the Law and the Prophets. The jews, in their false idea that the Kingom was "natural" (on the planet) instead of spiritual, (In the Body of Christ), were cut off because of this false anticipation. The Jews certainly do not have Christ as their King, as they said.

The Bride of Christ is all believers, aka Israel, New Jerusalem, Mt Sion etc as the entire NT message is about.
Only believers in Christ are Israel, are the Wife of God. The entire NT message.
Only in this manner is the Son of God brought forth from within us in salvation, through this Holy Matrimony between Christ and the Church. The entire NT message.
Any doctrine speaking against this is of the devil. Especially that "rapture" doctrine and "millenium" doctrine that originated from Margaret McDonald of Glasgow Scotland in 1836, teachings of men called "dispensationalism", better known as "futurism".
All of the devil. Word to the wise to avoid man made doctrines and only rely upon the Word of God.

Peace,
Whitestone

Sorry you feel that way but it does not change anything I said.

Rach1370 · Aug 16, 2012

Oh Richard...again?

RichardBurger · Aug 18, 2012

Rach said:
Oh Richard...again?

I am truely sorry that you are so deep into religion that you can't add anything to this thread. You only wish to destroy it by making me the subject of it just as you have done in all my other threads.

Rach1370 · Aug 18, 2012

I care nothing for religion...only Jesus. But simply...you teaching against what Jesus himself taught, so...yeah. But that wasn't my point anyway. It's like you're a record skipping, playing only one track. I have to wonder why, as everyone here knows your thoughts on this topic. And by and large you know everyone's thoughts on what you teach. So I wonder why you fish and fish? Are you trying to sway any new people here? Or can you honestly not see how you constantly repost the same thread? You do know that that is spamming, yes? Something we frown on here. Take a break from this subject and discuss something new with the Christians here...you might learn something.

RichardBurger · Aug 19, 2012

Rach said:
I care nothing for religion...only Jesus. But simply...you teaching against what Jesus himself taught, so...yeah. But that wasn't my point anyway. It's like you're a record skipping, playing only one track. I have to wonder why, as everyone here knows your thoughts on this topic. And by and large you know everyone's thoughts on what you teach. So I wonder why you fish and fish? Are you trying to sway any new people here? Or can you honestly not see how you constantly repost the same thread? You do know that that is spamming, yes? Something we frown on here. Take a break from this subject and discuss something new with the Christians here...you might learn something.

I will stick to the gospel of God's grace and you can do what ever you like - you have my permission.

Rach1370 · Aug 19, 2012

RichardBurger said:
I will stick to the gospel of God's grace and you can do what ever you like - you have my permission.

Thanks, good to know I have your permission.
You do know the wonder of God's grace covers many areas in our lives. You do not need to go over and over your "hidden, secret, 2 gospels" story again and again. As I've said...we've all seen it, we all know what you're saying..we all disagree. And frankly, its spamming.

Risen Angel · Aug 20, 2012

Okay you've caught my attention. I've been reading this forum for an hour and this is the first thread that has given me a reason to write. So many people with so many different perceptions leaves me feeling a little exasperated: it's frustrating, but that is the world I am living in I suppose. And isn't that what this thread is all about anyway? Perceptions.

You appear to be seeking the hidden... interesting. Why? What are you looking for? Do you even know? God does not keep everything sealed; and, I know he can open the door. I offer a caution, because the one who opens the door is the same one who can slam it closed in your face. Although I haven't experienced it.

You started your posted with a simple claim that some things can't be understood unless explained, or revealed, by God. Okay. So what is the point you are trying to make or dispute? It doesn't really matter: I will make it for you.

"And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one who is learned, saying Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed." (Isaiah 29:11)

There is so much that people don't understand, and it seems that God has done this. What is his reason? I don't know. I've listened to many preachers and teachers over the years that don't have a clue what they are talking about. They read the word and come away with some bizarre meaning. I had someone at the bus stop yesterday hand me a flyer that said Jesus became king in 1914 in a certain month. How do people come up with this crap? I think it is Satan working his madness to deceive the masses. More and more counterfeits pop up every day and each one claims to be the divine enlightened voice. Each teaches the true path and the holy way as their own, but all when examined are based on false doctrine.

I really wish you had narrowed the scope of your thread because it would make it easier to respond to.

The word is sealed. I know this because it has opened in certain areas. I know the word is sealed because the word told me it was sealed. If the word hasn't yet told you that it was sealed, I doubt anything that you have to say. In this instance it appears that you understand that the word is sealed, but what now? What do you want?

I just don't understand. You quoted a lot of scripture, but why? How about this...

"And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." (1 Corinth 13:2)

Does this sound like someone writing from a stance of not comprehending? You say that Jesus speaks cryptically, but I have not found him to be so. I speak to him; he speaks to me. We converse. In my experience there is a depth to scripture that people don't see, or hear; but, I've come to accept it. I can't define the way word speaks to me, but God gave me a way to tell people about it. No, I'm not going to write it here tonight.

You say people don't understand what the word means in context. So let's look at the context of the first verse I gave you. I find it very interesting and since it is prophecy, it speaks across a vast space of time on various levels. I'm not going to get into it. I find it intruiging because you are focused in on something being hidden.

"For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered." (Isaiah 29:10)

I guess God just doesn't want you to know. But why?

"Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men." (Isaiah 29:13)

Jesus quoted the same verse I just have.

Have you ever dated a girl, given her flowers, taken her out and professed your undying love for her - only to later finding yourself wanting another, or looking at someone else? Sometimes I think of God in this way; he certainly comes across like that in the words that I read. Do you think that if the girl you were dating knew you were lusting after another she would want to tell you her innermost secrets?

"For thou shalt worship no other God: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God." (Exodus 34:14)

That's his name! Understand? This whole thing is about a relationship; it's referenced over and over again. So to understand God you kind of have to get to know him. When you first meet someone do you tell them your entire life story and every secret you have ever kept about yourself and others? Of course not! Don't be ridiculous.

Yet here I am, yearning to tell you something, but you have asked no questions.

Oh well, whatever, I'll prove your point for you.

"...even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God." (1 Corinth 2:11)

Are we without recourse then? No, because -

"...God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God." (1 Corinth 2:10)

aspen · Aug 20, 2012

Risen Angel - I agree with a lot of your post. Christianity is all about Love and our relationship with God and others. I am not sure either, why some Christians want to get all gnostic about the Bible and search for hidden meaning - in my experience, God tends to hide the obvious from some people; not magical, mystical knowledge that would only add to our over inflated sense of self.

My experience with God over the years, also leads me to believe that He reveals the same message of relationship and love in deeper and more meaningful ways as our sanctification matures. Perhaps this is the 'hidden' parts?

RichardBurger · Aug 20, 2012

Rach said:
Thanks, good to know I have your permission.
You do know the wonder of God's grace covers many areas in our lives. You do not need to go over and over your "hidden, secret, 2 gospels" story again and again. As I've said...we've all seen it, we all know what you're saying..we all disagree. And frankly, its spamming.

Your replys can be called spamming too since you use the same arguements.

For your information I will never stop teaching that the gospel given to Paul by Jesus was a "HIDDEN IN GOD" gospel because I believe the word of God which says that it was "HIDDEN IN GOD."

Eph 3:8-13
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; 10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. 13 Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
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You ignore this scripture because it goes against your idea that Jesus and the 12 were preaching the same gospel. I will teach the scripture as it is written while you ignore it.
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Risen Angel said:
Okay you've caught my attention. I've been reading this forum for an hour and this is the first thread that has given me a reason to write. So many people with so many different perceptions leaves me feeling a little exasperated: it's frustrating, but that is the world I am living in I suppose. And isn't that what this thread is all about anyway? Perceptions.

You appear to be seeking the hidden... interesting. Why? What are you looking for? Do you even know? God does not keep everything sealed; and, I know he can open the door. I offer a caution, because the one who opens the door is the same one who can slam it closed in your face. Although I haven't experienced it.

Don't know where you have been but I am not seeking anything that is hidden today. But the scriptures plainly tell us that the gospel given to Paul was "HIDDEN IN GOD" and revealed to Paul. The point I am trying to make is that the grace gospel preached by Paul IS NOT the same message preached by Jesus and the 12. No where do we see Jesus and the 12 reciend the law of Moses but under the message given to Paul we are no longer under the law.

Eph 3:8-13
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
13 Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
NKJV

The religious simple rationalize verse 9 away as if what is said is not true. Why? Because it does not fit their idea that law is mixed with grace.

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