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Ricky I understand you are feeling attacked no need to apologizeNo I dont think it right for men to decide to kill any children then or today. What youre missing here is this was not mens decision it was an order from God. And if you say we worship the same God it was not our (christain God) but the one God of all that ordered this so he had to have a very good reason for doing so. They were idol worshipers, many of whom practiced human sacrafice and other abominations. God knew thier hearts.The difference with today and killing of any kind is that men decide to do itnot God. And to justifying it by saying its in the name of God.?God clearly shows he is capable of saying it should he want it done.Who are men to decide this?? can men know anothers heart?
Wonderful question Kriss. The answer is quite easy. The answer is NO! As we are limted in mind of knowledge and wisdom, and YHWH is infinately wiser and knowledge than His own creations. And we can not forsee, but YHWH and Yahshua can.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Ricky I understand you are feeling attacked no need to apologize
In deep of my heart, I shall say thank you very much for your concern and understanding :pray3:.("kriss")
No I dont think it right for men to decide to kill any children then or today. What youre missing here is this was not mens decision it was an order from God.
Now kriss, regarding on your statement, i need your opinion regarding on thus writers on amy's link (please pay attention on my bold and color, kriss and Jordan).
You can always know a false god.False gods always demand the blood of innocents.Whenever the innocent and just are being slain, there you will find Moloch the god Ba'al; always masquerading.Source : [url="http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm]http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm[/url]
Are you agree with that kriss, which what a coincident appear on your bible also ?I hope you are getting picture of what i'm talking to. I'm trying to using the same way like the writers did on Islam.Wallahu a'lam.
 

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Now kriss, regarding on your statement, i need your opinion regarding on thus writers on amy's link (please pay attention on my bold and color, kriss and Jordan).You can always know a false god.False gods always demand the blood of innocents.Whenever the innocent and just are being slain, there you will find Moloch the god Ba'al; always masquerading.Source : [url="http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm]http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm[/url] Are you agree with that kriss, which what a coincident appear on your bible also ?I hope you are getting picture of what i'm talking to. I'm trying to using the same way like the writers did on Islam.Wallahu a'lam.
Ricky, I fail to understand how you can not understand a smiple reply from Kriss. The quote from the link that I have shared here, please concentrate on the line that you have not highlighted. For your reference here we go again :You can always know a false god.False gods always demand the blood of innocents.Whenever the innocent and just are being slain, there you will find Moloch the god Ba'al; always masquerading.Source : [url="http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm]http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm[/url] Lets summarize: Kriss said that only our God decides who shall live and who shall not. The reason she has given is that only God knows what is in the heart of men therefore, He who is our creator knows the best that EVIL should perish.Know compare this to what I have high-lighted. It clearly says that only false god demand the blood of INNOCENT. An innocent is not evil, therefore it is not for any man to decide. The problem with quran is that muhammed is deciding all the time who shall live and die.If you can't understand this then god knows better what's in your heart.
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Amy)
Ricky, I fail to understand how you can not understand a smiple reply from Kriss.The quote from the link that I have shared here, please concentrate on the line that you have not highlighted. For your reference here we go again :You can always know a false god.False gods always demand the blood of innocents.Whenever the innocent and just are being slain, there you will find Moloch the god Ba'al; always masquerading.Source : http://bibleprobe.com/mohammed.htm Lets summarize: Kriss said that only our God decides who shall live and who shall not. The reason she has given is that only God knows what is in the heart of men therefore, He who is our creator knows the best that EVIL should perish.Know compare this to what I have high-lighted. It clearly says that only false god demand the blood of INNOCENT. An innocent is not evil, therefore it is not for any man to decide. The problem with quran is that muhammed is deciding all the time who shall live and die.
Sorry Amy, you are my ignorance right now
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.For response on what you are saying let me quote kriss word, which for moslem has the same perception regarding on prophet Mohammad did at that time.("kriss")
No I dont think it right for men to decide to kill any children then or today. What youre missing here is this was not mens decision it was an order from God.
Now don't tell me i don't understand it, because obvious you're the one who don't understand what in Islam is and what i'm trying to do(*i think).More clue to you,Who was God of Islam, He is God Who Create The Universe, Who Create star, moon, and the sun. Who create every living being. He is The ONE, none besides of Him. God of Abraham, Ishmael, Ishaq, Ya'qub, and others of His prophets.Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. was as same as Moses a.s. was His Messenger. Which what they did was only following GOD LAW and ORDER.Does what Muhammad s.a.w. did because of his own willingness. If you seeing in Islamic view, then this is the answer.An Najm(53)3 Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire. 4 It is no less than inspiration sent down to him.
If you can't understand this then god knows better what's in your heart.
Well either to you amy, that is your own problem and business whether you want to understand others or not, seeking for truth or spreading lie.Hello kriss, i'm waiting for your comment from my response on your quotes.Have you got a picture of what i meant to, kriss ?Wallahu a'lam.
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimSorry Amy, you are my ignorance right now
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.For response on what you are saying let me quote kriss word, which for moslem has the same perception regarding on prophet Mohammad did at that time.Now don't tell me i don't understand it, because obvious you're the one who don't understand what in Islam is and what i'm trying to do(*i think).More clue to you,Who was God of Islam, He is God Who Create The Universe, Who Create star, moon, and the sun. Who create every living being. He is The ONE, none besides of Him. God of Abraham, Ishmael, Ishaq, Ya'qub, and others of His prophets.Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. was as same as Moses a.s. was His Messenger. Which what they did was only following GOD LAW and ORDER.Does what Muhammad s.a.w. did because of his own willingness. If you seeing in Islamic view, then this is the answer.An Najm(53)3 Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire. 4 It is no less than inspiration sent down to him.Well either to you amy, that is your own problem and business whether you want to understand others or not, seeking for truth or spreading lie.Hello kriss, i'm waiting for your comment from my response on your quotes.Have you got a picture of what i meant to, kriss ?Wallahu a'lam.
Hence your ignorance is proven since you failed to prove your the point here
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Any muslim believes Sahih Bukhari has the most authentic hadith, do you Ricky?Sahih bukhari states:Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar : The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque." [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/023.sbt.html#002.023.413]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/h...tml#002.023.413[/url]Till today punishment for adultery is practiced as such i.e stoning to death. Please search the net and see where ever shariah law is implemented / prevails. Lets see what Quran says in sura Al-Noor about Adultery:024.002 YUSUFALI: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. PICKTHAL: The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment. SHAKIR: (As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement. [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/024.qmt.html#024.002]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/024.qmt.html#024.002[/url] Conclusion:Even if we admit that Allah was the God and therefore nothing preceeds his judgement how come, muhammed ordered those adulterers to be stoned to death? Wasn't 100 lashes the punishment of adultery as per Allah? Just one example that shows my point that who decides punishments in Islam
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8. Thou shalt not listen to music, watch t.v. or go to the movies, these activities are haram for you. However thou shalt take your family to watch beheadings of apostates and kafirs, cutting of hands and feet of petty thieves, and stoning of adulterers, their viewing is halal for you.
I just find this so laughable...and disgusting (words in yellow) Right there, I can clearly see that FACT is that they twist the Old Testament and the New Testament. From it. I don't think they are allowed to sing is because "don't listen to music" and singing is part of music.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.P.S. As for the whole thing...it's clearly evil, so brainwashed.
 

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Again a marvelous piece of amateur speech. Between, it was not Ricky who gave that awful example, proof enough that you have no idea about what actually has been said in this thread let alone the sense to comprehend which direction things are heading. Such issues are not to be read at random, did that ever occur to you?What is there to consverse? Shall I take you by the finger and show you all over again? Everything is in this thread and yes that includes most of the references. See foot notes on every sharing and if you are that interested make an effort to buy the books, turn the pages and gain some insight. What they want me to do is, lets see Amy if you can grab our own tail and I am sure it's a great show of running in circles but hey, I am not putting it up for anyone. I am not a teacher or a mentor. I have lit the lamp, I can not and will not see things through for you or anyone. It's your choice and it's theirs. I speak from not what I have just read but from what I have experienced as well. What I share is what they are being taught and not once have I promoted the idea of man-slaughter. Two wrongs have never made a right. My mission is to spread awareness of the evil, for we can not fight what we can not see. I am not being sensitive, I am being sensible.Personally, I would learn the word of God but as for your concept of learning from eachother; I assure you there are many more shocks to come your way. So fasten your seat belt and enjoy the ride.Asumptions is what exactly you are doing by asuming what Amy, should and should not do. At this note please reserve your suggestions.
Dear Amy,I do not know what your intentions were when you wrote what you wrote, and though it seems to me that you wrote in frustration rather than love, I will not assume so for your sake, and for my own. See, this comes back to the "integrity" thing we were talking about. Where your posts, inadvertently or maliciously, speak words perhaps imprudently, I see the source of trespass. With respect, allow me to remind you concerning integrity, once again, that it requires love in the highest. Perhaps you did intend to communicate love, as you say you have been all along. Right now, however, is a good example when, even from a brother in the faith, it becomes hard to see.I will ignore this post for the time being. I don't think you wrote it in a ...
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Ricky I understand you are feeling attacked no need to apologize No I dont think it right for men to decide to kill any children then or today. What youre missing here is this was not mens decision it was an order from God. And if you say we worship the same God it was not our (christain God) but the one God of all that ordered this so he had to have a very good reason for doing so. They were idol worshipers, many of whom practiced human sacrafice and other abominations. This was common for fallen Angels and also God knew thier hearts.The virgins were not impregnated by these fallen ones.I dont understand why you would use these verse to defend Islam unless you think we do not worship the same god??The difference with today and killing of any kind is that men decide to do itnot God. And to justifying it by saying its in the name of God.? Why when God clearly shows he is capable of saying it should he want it done.Who are men to decide this?? can men know anothers heart?
Dear Kriss,While the apologetics you bring are acceptable, I think what Ricky is getting at is that one cannot attack Islam for Jihad unless one can also attach the Biblical wars and massacres which were God's will. I don't think he has a problem with your apologetics, I think he feels that there are apologetic answers from Muslim Scholars which should be considered as well. What is unfair and inaccurate, are these articles.
 

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BtetraI dont agree with your statement at all You make the same mistake as many today one is by/of God the other by/of men there is no comparision.
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimIn deep of my heart, I shall say thank you very much for your concern and understanding :pray3:.Now kriss, regarding on your statement, i need your opinion regarding on thus writers on amy's link (please pay attention on my bold and color, kriss and Jordan).Are you agree with that kriss, which what a coincident appear on your bible also ?I hope you are getting picture of what i'm talking to. I'm trying to using the same way like the writers did on Islam.Wallahu a'lam.
If Im understanding you Ricky the key word here is innocent if you read the other verses above it these people were not inocent by Gods standings. But only God can decide who is or isnt innocent. Men reguardless of thier reasons can not know anothers heart. It seems to me common sense that reguardless of why men chose to kill each other. One can not claim it to be Gods will. Obviously,it follows if its Gods will if one should live or die. Who is any man to think they can know the will of God??? I think we can agree that God is not so concerned with our physical as ourhearts. So if this be so I ask again who among men knows anothers heart???If one decides to bomb a building killing innocents are they not responsable?If one bombs the same building claiming it to be in the name of God and God deems that theses were innocents(he only knowing their heart) how much more is the one responsable are they then not only guilty of killing innocents but also of offending God???What Im trying to say here is that I think this is a major difference in our two relgions Ours teaches trust in God to take care of what is his.And Islam appears to teach Men should make these decisions for God and decide what will be his.Is this wrong???
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimI think the one or perhaps the only one that understand what my point is just you BT.Wallahu a'lam.
 

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I think the one or perhaps the only one that understand what my point is just you BT.
Nope, we just majorly disagree with you.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(thesuperjag)
Nope, we just majorly disagree with you.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
I honor your disagree Jordan, neither do i which disagree with the article being shown up. But different between you and me in seeing something that i'm not judging other teach using my own frame.Well i just want you to know,By the time prophet Muhammad s.a.w. war he following God order to kill the enemies, which the enemies was a PAGANS(idols worshipers). Quran for me was an God Law and Order. Now if you considered seeing Islam by using your own frame, then using it to different frame, you won't got any picture of what i'm trying to say. You can take a lesson with what I did by giving you OT verse, which you do such a 'self defence'.Now what i did to your bible, actually was the same thing you and the writers were doing on my faith. If you saying that i the one who twisted the Bible, well i will do the same thing. But again i understand that, by the time i want to talk about Bible i must using your frame not my frame, to get understanding to each other. But again it seems you don't get it what i'm trying todo. And that's why i said, i think BT is the one understand what i'm trying to do, the others.... ?I'll try to keep patience eventhough you and the articles attack on me--my faith-- (for me God and His Messenger more then my soul and my body price). And Jordan, you may enjoy with what you call with 'truth' which for me was clearly a lie or misintrepretation
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.Nothing less to say for now for this quote.Wallahu a'lam.
 

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The thing I ask Ricky is even if your argument is correct about the comparisons how does that apply today??? We cant think it right to kill anyone because God gave Moses orders to have people killed in the past. So how does Islam justify killing today just because Mohanmmed may have been ordered in the past.???hope you do not mind my question.
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(kriss)
The thing I ask Ricky is even if your argument is correct about the comparisons how does that apply today???
Thanks if you got the picture by saying that.At the previous i already gave Quran (Allah's Word) on what, when Moslem must do war(Qital), and what is the limitation by the time in certaint war situation. Perhaps you can see it at 2 or 3 or 4 page before.
We cant think it right to kill anyone because God gave Moses orders to have people killed in the past.
Yes you can, it was foretold at the OT when someone can be killed(punishment). I prefer using word punishment rather then killed. And the same thing should be done also by a Islamic state(which is the country was Quran Law entirely as theire Gov Law).
So how does Islam justify killing today just because Mohanmmed may have been ordered in the past.???hope you do not mind my question.
I don't mind at all by this honest question :pray3:. Islamic Law very restricted on human live (i'm talking about Islamic Law not individual of Moslem).But before i continued this, which viewing you want to see ? Are you want to see from humanity or from faith of God ?If you using from humanity perspective, then what it's appeard on OT can be considered as unhumanity, and i believe you wont be able to explain to others regarding on OT verse. If you seeing as a faith of God. Then you can use like the way you precribed on me.In Islam those killing where can be justify was 3:1. If you are being invade then do self defence and kill those who start killing human. But if they stop doing killing and want to make peace, then we as a moslem MUST STOP IT AT ONCE.2. If you are at the first was Moslem then you being murtad or out being moslem, this is also after we first take a dialogue first until tree times to seek the reason why he/she doing such of thing.3. If you are committed an adultery, this is with condition if both was already married before. But if they haven't being married then it is not until death.And about the technical, between Islamic scholars has a different opinion among them. And again the one that should do execution (death penalty) was ISLAMIC GOVERNMENT/AUTHORITY OF LAW not INDIVIDUAL, UNLESS prophet himself still exists.And regarding on what you are questioned (killing - death penalty), i can not explain in here because it will take a lot of page. Just trying to find in net, but pls try to find it in Islamic one not againts one, if you want to get more picture.All of this were GOD COMMENDED not prophet MUHAMMAD s.a.w. commanded.Wallahu a'lam.
 

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A'udzbillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Amy)
Hence your ignorance is proven since you failed to prove your the point here.
What ever you like amy, what ever you like to say
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Any muslim believes Sahih Bukhari has the most authentic hadith, do you Ricky?
Till now yes.
Sahih bukhari states:Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar : The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque." [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/023.sbt.html#002.023.413]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/h...tml#002.023.413[/url]
Leviticus 20 :20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Till today punishment for adultery is practiced as such i.e stoning to death. Please search the net and see where ever shariah law is implemented / prevails. Lets see what Quran says in sura Al-Noor about Adultery:024.002 YUSUFALI: The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. PICKTHAL: The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment. SHAKIR: (As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement. [url="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/024.qmt.html#024.002]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/024.qmt.html#024.002[/url] Conclusion:Even if we admit that Allah was the God and therefore nothing preceeds his judgement how come, muhammed ordered those adulterers to be stoned to death? Wasn't 100 lashes the punishment of adultery as per Allah? Just one example that shows my point that who decides punishments in Islam
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Jews not Moslem.Wallahu a'lam.
 

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Quote:We cant think it right to kill anyone because God gave Moses orders to have people killed in the past. Yes you can, it was foretold at the OT when someone can be killed(punishment). I prefer using word punishment rather then killed. And the same thing should be done also by a Islamic state(which is the country was Quran Law entirely as theire Gov Law).(quote).........................................................................This is where we have a different understanding No! we can not kill because of the old testament. We have the Laws which say thou shalt not kill these are Laws of the One God.And can not be broken.Now true we kill for politcal reasons like war ect. but never,never in the name of God.Now true if someone is trying to stab and kill me, you are justified to defend yourself.(but not in Gods name)but the Law is very specific it says We can NOT plan to take anothers life.(kill)So if someone plans to stab and kill me he breaks the law so I can kill him in self defense. (but not in the name of God)But I can not plan to kill someone because he steals my car, or my land,or says things I do not like.If we follow one God and this is the One Gods Law how can some muslims justify killing for these non -life threatening things? In the name of God????You do not have to answer Ricky I'm just trying to show you some reasons the Christian can not understand Islam.It would appear to the christian that Islam either follows a differnt God which of course if true would make that god a false god to us. Or that the muslim that kills for non-life threating reasons in the name of God commits a double blashemey in that they broke Gods Law and claimed to do it in his name.hope this helps you understands why it is so hard to understand Islam from our perspective.
 

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Quote:We cant think it right to kill anyone because God gave Moses orders to have people killed in the past. Yes you can, it was foretold at the OT when someone can be killed(punishment). I prefer using word punishment rather then killed. And the same thing should be done also by a Islamic state(which is the country was Quran Law entirely as theire Gov Law).(quote).........................................................................This is where we have a different understanding No! we can not kill because of the old testament. We have the Laws which say thou shalt not kill these are Laws of the One God.And can not be broken.Now true we kill for politcal reasons like war ect. but never,never in the name of God.
In the OT GOD TOLD MOSES Thou shalt not kill.But in the other hand, GOD TOLD MOSES to KILL anyone WHO DONE A MURDER, AND ADULTERY, OR WORSHIP OTHERS THEN GOD.You got what i meant ?That's why i said before, i more prefer using word PUNISHMENT rather then Killing.
Now true if someone is trying to stab and kill me, you are justified to defend yourself.(but not in Gods name)but the Law is very specific it says We can NOT plan to take anothers life.(kill)
I think i agree with you that we can not plan to take anothers life. BUT again read carefully what i wrote before.1. If you are being invade then do self defence and kill those who start killing human. But if they stop doing killing and want to make peace, then we as a moslem MUST STOP IT AT ONCE.
So if someone plans to stab and kill me he breaks the law so I can kill him in self defense. (but not in the name of God)
See the Torah, if someone snap, then by the name of God you can do the same thing(notes:here you are talking about personal matter not Nation matter), why ? Because God gave those permission. But you are not allowed to KILL someone just because thus guy has snap you, because God only permitted with the same cause and result for PUNISHMENT (AGAIN IT'S PUNISHMENT)
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But I can not plan to kill someone because he steals my car, or my land,or says things I do not like.
I agree because GOD in Islam forbid for doing killing if someone stolen your car. And again i remind you, that STATE who will do an execution for every LAW BROKER.
If we follow one God and this is the One Gods Law how can some muslims justify killing for these non -life threatening things? In the name of God????
You can ask the samething at OT, by the time GOD forbid for killing, why GOD give KILLING PUNISHMENT to ADULTERY and OUT OF YHWH WORSHIPPER ?
You do not have to answer Ricky I'm just trying to show you some reasons the Christian can not understand Islam.
I need to answer this, to make clarification and make one and other understanding.
It would appear to the christian that Islam either follows a differnt God which of course if true would make that god a false god to us. Or that the muslim that kills for non-life threating reasons in the name of God commits a double blashemey in that they broke Gods Law and claimed to do it in his name.

Hope this helps you understands why it is so hard to understand Islam from our perspective.
Well that's ok kriss, i more like when we talk like this way rather then making a lie that Islam was bla... bla... bla... the true was not like it was describe. And kriss, if you can understand Torah, actually you should understand some of Islamic tought.Wallahu a'lam.
 

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A'udzbillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimWhat ever you like amy, what ever you like to say
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. Till now yes.Leviticus 20 :20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.Jews not Moslem.Wallahu a'lam.
The question Ricky was how Allah in Quran has told people to deal with adultery and how it was practised by Muhammed. Do you see the difference?First answer this before going into any further.True the man who asked the inquiry was a Jew but the hadith dose not say that the adulterers were Jews. Between jews are your ahle-kitab (believers of the holy book) as per islam.Two more questions and tell me what you think and not what the books say:1. So you think that adulterers should be segregated by religion? 2. If so can a muslim adulterer enter heaven?
 

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Leviticus 20 :20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Again Ricky, like Kriss said it was God who commanded that. Only HE has the right to perish what HE created.As for us men and women:Galatians 6:4-5 4Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, 5for each one should carry his own load.Therefore, Jesus concentrated on spiritual cleanliness. Which is not to by-pass the law of Mosses but to fulfill it in the right manner. Even Jesus (The Son in Human Form) said:John 8:1-11 1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11"No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
 
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