Polygamy

dragonfly said:

Thanks, Rex! I'm really enjoying your posts, but you're flying round this message board faster than I can keep up! :mellow:

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Don't follow me follow the Lord
I would just ignore, you need to know when to walk away. Or to just sit and think meditate on the word the Lord.
Sorry I have an other new topic I'm watching
Comm.Arnold

Hi Comm.Arnold,

When you first posted in this thread, I was incredulous that a person, apparently calling themselves a Christian - since that is a stipulation for posting on CyB - would even contemplate polygamy. I asked the questions I did, because I hoped I was misunderstanding what you were saying.

Now, I wonder what kind a church you go to? What kind of community do you live in? Do you ever read a decent translation of the Bible? Do you ever pray before you read, asking God to make you understand His thinking, and not filtering His word through your own? Have you any real idea of what the whole long Biblical narrative is about, and why born again Christians do not practise polygamy?

Were you not just defending polygamy on the previous pages ?

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Either you have confused me with another poster, or, you have not understood any of my posts.

Please look back through the pages of this thread, and read my entire defence of monogamy, backed up by numerous passages of scripture.

Do you smoke a lot of crack ?

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Was this supposed to be a joke?

I could ask you the same, since you admit you have not understood what I've written to you. Axehead is right.

You're not keeping up.

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Please read my posts now, knowing that I'm not defending polygamy, and let me know what you still don't understand?

I'll be glad to explain. There are many more points which could be made, which I assumed a Christian would be able to fill in for themselves.

Comm.Arnold said:

Were you not just defending polygamy on the previous pages ? Do you smoke a lot of crack ?

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I see you carry a proverb as a signature, could you explain this one to me.
Proverbs 10:23

Then maybe you'll understand why .
Proverbs 26:4-5

So If you will please excuse me, my words will be few

Hi All,

You know, just because you cannot find something in the NT does not mean it does not exist. The New Testament was written over the space of less than 70 years compared with a few millennium of the Old Testament. Consequently, if you are gong limit your viewpoint of God to that narrow space of time then it will be problematic. I think this type of narrow focus is one of the reasons that people sometimes make incorrect assumptions about what God is saying.

Adultery and fornication, in its most elemental form, is simply inappropriate sex. The act that is sin in one instance is the very same act that is not sin in another. It is the context in which the act is performed that makes the difference.

It cannot be sin for a man to sleep with a wife. Why? Because that level of intimacy is commensurate with the level of commitment and love between the two individuals. Likewise, having more than one wife cannot be sin because in each case the act of marriage is also commensurate with level of commitment and love between all individuals involved.

When God speaks of the two becoming one flesh He is simply speaking about offspring. Men and women come together for this purpose and cleave to one another.

People sometimes over-spiritualize things to the point that they make many assumptions that really are not warranted. Most of the time one man and one woman works just fine and is all that anyone would want to do anyway. Sometimes, however, for whatever reasons, men want to take care of and love more than one woman and God has made provision for this too. Both unions produce children and therefore both unions fulfill the commandment that God gave us in the Garden.

Let us expand our viewpoints to include, in a consistent way, all of what God has said.

Justin Mangonel said:

Polygamy is a cultural issue. God does not really care the number of women you have as long as you treat them well.

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Lets just quit betting around the bush Justin. This topic holds more for you than the above statement "cultural issue".
I could just as easily argue the right to place babies in the arms of Moloch, and call it a cultural issue.

I do believe you have a lot at steak in this indifference. Where do you fellowship?
My mud on the wall "my first post" is beginning to stick.
http://www.christian...120#entry172646

Hi Rex,

I do not know why you wish to make this a personal issue with me. I thought we were talking about whether or not this type of marriage was sin or not from a biblical stand point. Do you accuse everyone who is studied up on a subject of partaking in it? I think not and perhaps it would be wise not to do so in this instance either.

I am a missionary and I am very acquainted with this topic because I have dealt with it a lot.

I see you avoided the question.
Lets just get it out in the open.
I was baptized in 79 at Calvary Chapel Riverside CA Greg Laurie, in lake Paris
I don't even claim to a member of that church or any other, I refuse to accept a piece of paper as proof of ordination or affiliation.
So now you know me, what church do you mission for?

dragonfly said:

Hi Comm.Arnold,

When you first posted in this thread, I was incredulous that a person, apparently calling themselves a Christian - since that is a stipulation for posting on CyB - would even contemplate polygamy. I asked the questions I did, because I hoped I was misunderstanding what you were saying.

Now, I wonder what kind a church you go to? What kind of community do you live in? Do you ever read a decent translation of the Bible? Do you ever pray before you read, asking God to make you understand His thinking, and not filtering His word through your own? Have you any real idea of what the whole long Biblical narrative is about, and why born again Christians do not practise polygamy?



Either you have confused me with another poster, or, you have not understood any of my posts.

Please look back through the pages of this thread, and read my entire defence of monogamy, backed up by numerous passages of scripture.




Was this supposed to be a joke?

I could ask you the same, since you admit you have not understood what I've written to you. Axehead is right.



Please read my posts now, knowing that I'm not defending polygamy, and let me know what you still don't understand?

I'll be glad to explain. There are many more points which could be made, which I assumed a Christian would be able to fill in for themselves.

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Why are you so mad ? How can you get mad and be a christian ?

Rex said:

I see you carry a proverb as a signature, could you explain this one to me.
Proverbs 10:23

Then maybe you'll understand why .
Proverbs 26:4-5

So If you will please excuse me, my words will be few

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I don't want to get into the bible verse accusation game with you, that is bringing out the bible to accuse a church member.

Here's the deal Justin, you have already avoided or have hidden the truth.about what you believe, as in affiliation to a group or church.
Mathew 5:15
Mark 4:21
Luke 11:33

If you can't or won't be truthful about your church then there is no light in you.
That born again thread you started is text book Mormon doctrine, that;s where you tipped your hand.

So I'm out of this thread and posting to U until we can be forthright with each other.

Another thing that tipped me off was we were in agreement yesterday, then you begin today with the same proclamation.

Polygamy is a cultural issue. God does not really care the number of women you have as long as you treat them well.

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Such is the fruit of a worthless thread. Not fit to eat.
Jeremiah 24:1-10

Rex said:

Times up,
Here's the deal Justin, you have already avoided or have hidden the truth.about what you believe, as in affiliation to a group or church.
Mathew 5:15
Mark 4:21
Luke 11:33

If you can't or won't be truthful about your church then there is no light in you.
That born again thread you started is text book Mormon doctrine, that;s where you tipped your hand.

So I'm out of this thread and posting to U until we can be forthright with each other.

Another thing that tipped me off was we were in agreement yesterday, then you begin today with the same proclamation.


Such is the fruit of a worthless thread. Not fit to eat.
Jeremiah 24:1-10

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Wait for it ?

Hi Comm.Arnold,

I was not angry or shouting. My tone of voice was calm. I chose words which expressed what I was thinking.


And yes, I am a Christian. I have explained, at least three times, in this thread, how polygamy is excluded by the New Covenant.



Hi Justin,

When God speaks of the two becoming one flesh He is simply speaking about offspring.

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How do you know?

Please show any (all) the scripture where God actually says what you claim for Him in the quote I've picked from your post?


Also, please explain from scripture what you call a marriage which doesn't produce children. Aren't the spouses 'one flesh', then?

Wow, so you think I am a Mormon? That is funny.

I am a spirit filled penticostal Christian...I would never be a Mormon.

I suppose you might have assumed that because I preach Tabernacle theology you perhaps equated me with Mormon temples?

Mormonism is totally oppressive.

Rex,

In a literal sense, the child born of a man and woman is part of both of them. Man and woman equals the two flesh. The Baby they produce equals one flesh. Do you have to really have to have a chapter and verse for this?

If you want to say it happens in some spiritual way that you cannot define then go ahead. I think what I have said makes perfect sense and is a very illuminating interpretation of that scripture.

A man and a woman who do not have an baby together do not become one flesh.

Z wrote,

"If polygamy is NOT a cultural issue, then why is it that we don't have any directions against it in Scripture, other than one or two fragmented verses which can don't really prove much except that polygamy did take place and was regulated?"

Very valid point...well said.

A man and a woman who do not have an baby together do not become one flesh.

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This statement conflicts with scripture. Beware of thinking you know more than God.



I will let the topic go.

ZebraHug said:

If polygamy is NOT a cultural issue, then why is it that we don't have any directions against it in Scripture, other than one or two fragmented verses which can don't really prove much except that polygamy did take place and was regulated?

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I have already sent you an invitation to reason together in another thread. I have not heard from you.

I personally think it is good to talk about such topics as this because it lays out many of the ideas that people have. In christianity today there is a tendency to not wish to talk about difficult subjects for fear of shunning. Here on forums such as this shunning does not really have as much influence and so all apsects of a doctrine can be discussed.

There is no discussion here, you are firmly set.

I have said my piece, and or had a discussion with you. What more needs to be said between us?

Perhaps your simply calling to others to come, and eat at your table.
In that case ignore my post.

Rex,

We are here to simply discuss our viewpoints and set forth our reasons for why we believe. We should not take things personally if people do not agree with us or cannot see our point of view.

Justin Mangonel said:

Rex,

We are here to simply discuss our viewpoints and set forth our reasons for why we believe. We should not take things personally if people do not agree with us or cannot see our point of view.

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In 2,000 years of discussion, searching the scriptures and inquiring of God we do not see a doctrine or acceptance of Polygamy in the Christian Churches in the world. What we see is widespread teaching against it from ALL OVER THE WORLD (that includes many cultures, not just Western cultures). What more is there to discuss?