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Is polygamy a sin/wrong?


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Selene

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ZebraHug said:
I could state likewise. Actually, I will. You've ignored the fact that God never mentioned ANYTHING about condemning it in the OT, and further still, you have COMPLETELY sidestepped when I did explain the 'one' wife verses, the reason being, you are so stubborn and set in your ways, that you refuse to EVEN consider the other side of the topic.

If polygyny was a sin, then some of the GREATEST men of God who ever lived spent almost their ENTIRE life, walking and talking with God, and NEVER knowing anything about the 'erroneous' sin they were committing, yet when they so much as failed to read and carry out the ceremonial Law of Moses, they were harshly rebuked.


http://www.godrules.net/articles/polygamy.htm

An interesting article I found, for those who are genuinely interested in the Truth.
There's nothing in the Bible showing that God condemn slavery as well. Does this mean that we should allow slavery? As for those great men that you mentioned, there were all sinners. Christians are followers of Christ. If they wanted to follow Solomon instead of Christ....they can call themselves "Solomonians."

And yes, God walked among the sinners because it is the sinners who needed Him the most. They needed God to save them from their sins. And so Christ was sent to the world and He walked among sinners.
 

Justin Mangonel

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Dear S,

Your statements epitomize those who simply decide they "do not like something." and then wrap it up in scripture to make it look pretty. It is my opinion that most if not all wrong doctrine is energized by demons, both small and great, that push those doctrines upon others through fear and intimidation. I will teach the truth about polygamy to those who have ears to hear simply because it is a correct reading of the scriptures no matter what people say who cannot see the truth. I laugh at spirits of intimidation these days because I know they have no power except what others give them through fear. God's word always wins and false doctrine cannot stand before the word of God rightly divided.
 

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Justin Mangonel said:
Dear S,

Your statements epitomize those who simply decide they "do not like something." and then wrap it up in scripture to make it look pretty. It is my opinion that most if not all wrong doctrine is energized by demons, both small and great, that push those doctrines upon others through fear and intimidation. I will teach the truth about polygamy to those who have ears to hear simply because it is a correct reading of the scriptures no matter what people say who cannot see the truth. I laugh at spirits of intimidation these days because I know they have no power except what others give them through fear. God's word always wins and false doctrine cannot stand before the word of God rightly divided.
God's word does win, and that is why polygamy is in the minority. If it was God's plan in the beginning, it would win. In the past century, polygamy has greatly decreased. And in societies practicing polygamy, there is a gradual reduction in the number of wives permitted. In another 100 years, the reduction will hopefully be down to one wife.
 

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Selene said:
God's word does win, and that is why polygamy is in the minority. If it was God's plan in the beginning, it would win. In the past century, polygamy has greatly decreased. And in societies practicing polygamy, there is a gradual reduction in the number of wives permitted. In another 100 years, the reduction will hopefully be down to one wife.
Monogamy is dying out too. Apparently sleeping round is more convenient
 

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ZebraHug said:
Monogamy is dying out too. Apparently sleeping round is more convenient
You mean they find co-habitating more convenient. The co-habitation is at least monogomous with one man and one female living together for more than 5 years. Therefore, monogamy is not declining at all. It is marriage that has decreased, but certainly not monogamy. The only unfortunate thing about it is the lack of commitment. In the US, polygamy is much more common among radical Mormons,...and these fringe groups forced 14 year old girls into marriage.

This is the problem in society. Society allows same sex marriage and then the polygamists will come out of the woodworks. After them, the pedophiles will come out next. If it was okay for the polygamists to marry 14 year old girls, then anything goes. Where will it stop?




2. According to Compton, 11 of Joseph’s plural wives were under the age of 20 (Bushman cites 10 "wives"). His youngest wife was only 14-years-old. Of Joseph’s 33 well documented wives, only 3 were significantly older than Smith..........

5. A number of Smith’s wives were dependent orphans or young women employed and living with Emma and Joseph, including a very pretty sixteen-year-old Fanny Alger, who was living with the Smiths in Kirtland, and became Joseph’s first “plural wife” in 1833.

6. Joseph would usually coerce his potential brides into marrying him, saying that he had received a revelation that they were supposed to be married, and that such relationships would ensure both hers, and her families, salvation. This offer of salvation usually was time-sensitive, and would expire if the girl or woman did not consent within a certain time - usually only 24 hrs. Joseph told Helen Mar Kimball, daughter of Heber C. Kimball, “If you will take this step, it will ensure your eternal salvation & exaltation and that of your father’s household & all of your kindred.” Helen had only 24 hours to decide; a lot for a 14 year old to swallow.
 

Justin Mangonel

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So S,

You prefer co-habitation to polygamy? That is unbiblical. You know, when arguements are obsurd there is no argurement at all.
 

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Those that feel that Polygamy is supported by God have nothing to base that support on.
That is why they cannot provide a single solitary scripture - from either the NT or OT - that supports the concept.
That is why they must also try to minimise scripture that indicates that marraige is between just one man and one woman.

These few people feel they are more in-tune with what God believes than 98% of the rest of true Christianity.
They feel they know more about what God considers right and wrong than those that have spent decades serving and seeking Him and leaders of major Christian denominations that have already shown that Polygamy is not blessed of God.

Those are the ones that usually end up having their children drink the kool-aid just moments before authorities show up on their compound.
 

Justin Mangonel

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Dear F,

Unfortunately your words ring hollow on this topic. Seems, from your disparaging remarks about other people that you may feel envious of those who have met God in real and profound ways. I would encourage you not to ridcule such people but rather to seek the wonderful things of God also so that you can realize the blessings too.

The fact of the matter is that there are lots of scripture that speak to the topic in question but I think even if polygamy was mentioned in the ten commandments it would not be enough for some skeptics. It is kind of like an atheist that says there in nor proof that God exists. There is plenty of proof that God exists but they are willfully blind to it.

The bottom line is that people who do not wish to understand God's heart about this holy form of marriage simply do not wish to. Though there is abundant examples and scriptures to "prove" beyone any doubt that God loves those who are practicing this form of marriage they cannot see this truth just as an atheist cannot come to let themselves believer there is a God. I suppose if an atheist faces the truth about the existance of God the changes to their thinking and lifestyle may seem too profound.

However, it is not those who do not believe that are relevant but rather you who do believe and have found the courage to accept the truth. You who have multiple wives or are thinking about polgyamy need to know that those who desparage what the Bible says is good are simply wrong and uninformed. Do not let their judgement affect you for they are not showing forth the true heart of our Father on this issue. Most often, when people are rabid against this doctrine it has little to do with scripture but more often than not has to do with personal issues that they have not resolved. Else the truth would set them free. So do fear their sneers or jibes but rather just walk before God in your integrity and ignore their musings.

What is important is that you love and take care of your wives and children. What is important is that you treat others who practice this form of marriage with the honor and respect they are due too. Honor your women and treat them fairly. Love your children and treat them equally. Take the examples of the patriachs of old and become men of honor and faith. Those who seek to judge you when it costs them nothing are really not important. You stand before God for they will not render judgement upon you at the end of days. Do all that is in your heart accourding to the grace and ability that God has given you. Just know there are those who know the truth that polygamy and who would welcome you and your wives into fellowship.

God bless,

Justin
 

Foreigner

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Justin, you have said that you have already provided scripture that shows God's support for Polygamy.
Yet when I re-read the thread it shows you have done no such thing.

In order to be taken seriously, perhaps you should start there.
 

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Foreigner said:
Those that feel that Polygamy is supported by God have nothing to base that support on.
That is why they cannot provide a single solitary scripture - from either the NT or OT - that supports the concept.
That is why they must also try to minimise scripture that indicates that marraige is between just one man and one woman.

These few people feel they are more in-tune with what God believes than 98% of the rest of true Christianity.
They feel they know more about what God considers right and wrong than those that have spent decades serving and seeking Him and leaders of major Christian denominations that have already shown that Polygamy is not blessed of God.

Those are the ones that usually end up having their children drink the kool-aid just moments before authorities show up on their compound.
And those that feel polygyny is unsupported by God have absolutely no support either. Ooops.

Already shown? You know, it's interesting how you all bring up instances of polygyny's abuse. Funny thing is, I could say the same about monogamy (and that's what some liberalists base their anti-marriage arguments on).

As for the 'majority', what does this have to do with this? That doesn't prove a thing. In Noah's day, there were EIGHT in the WHOLE world who were saved. Majority doesn't always mean one's right.

So you want support for polygyny? I would think that the fact that God NEVER addresses it, is more than enough. If polygyny was a sin, where is the proof?

Copied from the article I posted recently.


"The simple logical progression I just mentioned above is just the icing on the cake. The reason I say this is because there are many Bible passages where God directly and indirectly justifies polygamy. It would be disingenuous for me to ignore all of these passages:
For Example:
  1. Exodus 21:8 - Establishes rules for slaves who became wives. Note there is no mention of the man having to be single to marry a slave.
  2. Exodus 21:10 - A man is not allowed to diminish food, clothing and marital rights, if he marries an additional wife.
  3. Leviticus 20:14 - Prevents a man from marrying a woman and her mother at the same time. This rule would be irrelevant if polygamy was a sin.
  4. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - A man is to marry a virgin he had sex with, as long as the father did not refuse him. However, notice there is no mention on whether than man is single or not. If it was a sin to be a polygamist, there would have been a rule here saying if the man was already married, he would be punished or stoned.
  5. Judges 8:30 - Gideon had "many wives". He was a man of God.
  6. 1 Samuel 1:2 & 13:14 - Elkanah has two wives. One of his wives, Hannah, gave birth to the prophet Samuel. Wouldn't he be an illegitimate child, if polygamy was a sin?
  7. 2 Samuel 12:7-8 - David was given his dead master's wives. Also God said he could have given him more than what he had. However, David chose to kill a man to steal his wife and that was where his sin was. God indirectly promotes polgamy in this passage.
  8. 1 Kings 11:1-3 & Deuteronomy 17:17 - Solomon had 300 wives and 700 concubines. However, it is made clear, his sin was marrying strange(foreign) wives and multiplying wives, not having more than one wife. His foreign wives ended up leading him to idolatry later on in his life. Adding more than one wife, such as his father, King David did was not a sin. And it should be clear, that Bathsheba was married and the sin was he was taking another's wife, not adding another wife, as is made clear by the prophet who rebukes him. However, multiplying or hording wives, as King Solomon did was a sin. Recently, I heard Hank Hanegraaff claim that "multiplying wives" refers to adding more than one wife, however, for him to conclude this, he would have to ignore all the scripture cited here. Generally speaking, I almost always agree with Hank on most anything he says, however, in this case, he is wrong. God is not double-minded, but single-minded. If he says you can have more than one wife in several Old Testament passages and then says you can not "multiply wives" as a king, it should be clear, that he is refering to hording wives, not adding another wife.
  9. 1 Kings 15:5 - King David married atleast seven wives, but it says David did what was right in the sight of the Lord. If polygamy was a sin, David would not be right in God's eyes.
  10. 1 Chronicles 2:46-48 - Caleb had two concubines. Yet, he was one of only two men allowed to enter the promised land! And, as you know, Moses was not even allowed to enter the promised land due to one sin!
  11. 2 Chronicles 24:3 - Joash had two wives that were chosen by Jehoida the priest!
  12. Nehemiah 13:26 - Solomon is again shown to have sinned because he took foreign wives and multiplied wives, not because he had more than one wife.
  13. Esther 2:2-4 - Esther was atleast the second wife of the King. God orchestrated the salvation of the Jews through her marriage to a polygamist.
  14. Job 27:15 - Job mentions a man who's "wives shall not weep".
  15. Song of Solomon 6:8 - The shulamite is praised by many queens and concubines of the king who loves her. If you add up all the queens and concubines, you discover that the shulamite who is courting with King Solomon here is the 141st wife of King Solomon. Remember, this is a story on how God desires us to be with our spouse.
  16. Jeremiah 3:6-10 - God portrays himself as a polygamist with more than one wife.
  17. Jeremiah 31:31-32 - Same thing again here. God with more than one wife.
  18. Matthew 25:1-13 - Parable of the 10 virgins, where Jesus has himself as the groom marrying 5 of the 10 virgins, making himself a polygamist in the parable.
  19. Romans 5:13 - If there is no law for something, it is not a sin. There is no law against polygamy, therefore, it is not a sin.
  20. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Mentions that adulterers will not inherit the Kingdom of God, yet in Hebrews 11, we see many polygamists listed who inherited the Kingdom of God. Therefore polygamy is not adultery.
  21. 1 Corinthians 7:2 - If you look at the greek behind this scripture, you will notice that the words used for "his own" and "her own" are not the same. The terms seem to allow for polygamy under close scrutiny.
  22. 1 Timothy 3:2 - Bishops / Deacons must be husband of one wife. At best or worst, this is saying certain leaders can not be polygamists. Perhaps doing the work of the church in some leadership roles require an amount of devotion to where polygamy is not compatible. Or, perhaps, it is not limiting to one wife, but rather saying that he has to atleast have one wife. Not sure which, however, might as well take the safe ground with the former viewpoint.
  23. James 2:23 - Abraham was called a friend of God, but he was a polygamist.



When you open your mind up to the possibility that polygamy may not be a sin, you start testing the viewpoint to find some part of scripture that contradicts it. What you discover is, actually, there are no verses that contradict the idea of polygamy not being a sin. For instance, consider sexual relations in a polygamous marriage. It should be easy to prove polygamy is a sin in scripture using commandments on sexual intercourse, assuming God was against polygamy. Very interestingly, though, you find, God seems to make all the sexual restrictions work with polygamy. See below:
  1. Do not have sexual relations with a woman and her daughter (Leviticus 18:17).
  2. Do not have sexual relations with a woman and her son's daughter (Leviticus 18:17).
  3. Do not have sexual relations with a woman and her daughter's daughter (Leviticus 18:17).
  4. Do not have sexual relations with thy wife in addition to her sister, as rivals (Leviticus 18:18).
  5. Man can not have sexual relations with another man (Leviticus 18:22).
  6. Man can not have sexual relations with an animal (Leviticus 18:23).
  7. Woman can not have sexual relations with an animal (Leviticus 18:23).
Now, just read through the above, assuming polygamy was not a sin. Does it open your eyes a little bit? Notice, Leviticus 18:17 says not to have "sexual relations with a woman and her daughter". Why? Because that is a form of incest. QUESTION: Why is it even relevant to mention this, if polygamy is already a sin? Same also with the rest of verse 17 and even 18. There would be absolutely no reason for God to elaborate on all of this, if polygamy was a sin. He could simply just say, "Thou shalt not have two wives" or "Thou shalt not have sex with two women", but he never does this.


The idea is, we can not just assume God is against polygamy, if there is no legitimate reason for such a belief. If God permits polygamy throughout the Old Testament and never does away with it in the New Testament, we must assume, it is still permissible even today. Using a couple vaguely referenced scriptures (i.e. ~ two becomes one flesh) to further a viewpoint is not good, and is just self-serving."
 

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And those that feel polygyny is unsupported by God have absolutely no support either. Ooops.

Already shown? You know, it's interesting how you all bring up instances of polygyny's abuse. Funny thing is, I could say the same about monogamy (and that's what some liberalists base their anti-marriage arguments on).

As for the 'majority', what does this have to do with this? That doesn't prove a thing. In Noah's day, there were EIGHT in the WHOLE world who were saved. Majority doesn't always mean one's right.

So you want support for polygyny? I would think that the fact that God NEVER addresses it, is more than enough. If polygyny was a sin, where is the proof?

Copied from the article I posted recently.


"The simple logical progression I just mentioned above is just the icing on the cake. The reason I say this is because there are many Bible passages where God directly and indirectly justifies polygamy. It would be disingenuous for me to ignore all of these passages:
For Example:
  1. Exodus 21:8 - Establishes rules for slaves who became wives. Note there is no mention of the man having to be single to marry a slave.
  2. Exodus 21:10 - A man is not allowed to diminish food, clothing and marital rights, if he marries an additional wife.
  3. Leviticus 20:14 - Prevents a man from marrying a woman and her mother at the same time. This rule would be irrelevant if polygamy was a sin.
  4. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - A man is to marry a virgin he had sex with, as long as the father did not refuse him. However, notice there is no mention on whether than man is single or not. If it was a sin to be a polygamist, there would have been a rule here saying if the man was already married, he would be punished or stoned.
  5. Judges 8:30 - Gideon had "many wives". He was a man of God.
  6. 1 Samuel 1:2 & 13:14 - Elkanah has two wives. One of his wives, Hannah, gave birth to the prophet Samuel. Wouldn't he be an illegitimate child, if polygamy was a sin?
  7. 2 Samuel 12:7-8 - David was given his dead master's wives. Also God said he could have given him more than what he had. However, David chose to kill a man to steal his wife and that was where his sin was. God indirectly promotes polgamy in this passage.
  8. 1 Kings 11:1-3 & Deuteronomy 17:17 - Solomon had 300 wives and 700 concubines. However, it is made clear, his sin was marrying strange(foreign) wives and multiplying wives, not having more than one wife. His foreign wives ended up leading him to idolatry later on in his life. Adding more than one wife, such as his father, King David did was not a sin. And it should be clear, that Bathsheba was married and the sin was he was taking another's wife, not adding another wife, as is made clear by the prophet who rebukes him. However, multiplying or hording wives, as King Solomon did was a sin. Recently, I heard Hank Hanegraaff claim that "multiplying wives" refers to adding more than one wife, however, for him to conclude this, he would have to ignore all the scripture cited here. Generally speaking, I almost always agree with Hank on most anything he says, however, in this case, he is wrong. God is not double-minded, but single-minded. If he says you can have more than one wife in several Old Testament passages and then says you can not "multiply wives" as a king, it should be clear, that he is refering to hording wives, not adding another wife.
  9. 1 Kings 15:5 - King David married atleast seven wives, but it says David did what was right in the sight of the Lord. If polygamy was a sin, David would not be right in God's eyes.
  10. 1 Chronicles 2:46-48 - Caleb had two concubines. Yet, he was one of only two men allowed to enter the promised land! And, as you know, Moses was not even allowed to enter the promised land due to one sin!
  11. 2 Chronicles 24:3 - Joash had two wives that were chosen by Jehoida the priest!
  12. Nehemiah 13:26 - Solomon is again shown to have sinned because he took foreign wives and multiplied wives, not because he had more than one wife.
  13. Esther 2:2-4 - Esther was atleast the second wife of the King. God orchestrated the salvation of the Jews through her marriage to a polygamist.
  14. Job 27:15 - Job mentions a man who's "wives shall not weep".
  15. Song of Solomon 6:8 - The shulamite is praised by many queens and concubines of the king who loves her. If you add up all the queens and concubines, you discover that the shulamite who is courting with King Solomon here is the 141st wife of King Solomon. Remember, this is a story on how God desires us to be with our spouse.
  16. Jeremiah 3:6-10 - God portrays himself as a polygamist with more than one wife.
  17. Jeremiah 31:31-32 - Same thing again here. God with more than one wife.
  18. Matthew 25:1-13 - Parable of the 10 virgins, where Jesus has himself as the groom marrying 5 of the 10 virgins, making himself a polygamist in the parable.
  19. Romans 5:13 - If there is no law for something, it is not a sin. There is no law against polygamy, therefore, it is not a sin.
  20. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Mentions that adulterers will not inherit the Kingdom of God, yet in Hebrews 11, we see many polygamists listed who inherited the Kingdom of God. Therefore polygamy is not adultery.
  21. 1 Corinthians 7:2 - If you look at the greek behind this scripture, you will notice that the words used for "his own" and "her own" are not the same. The terms seem to allow for polygamy under close scrutiny.
  22. 1 Timothy 3:2 - Bishops / Deacons must be husband of one wife. At best or worst, this is saying certain leaders can not be polygamists. Perhaps doing the work of the church in some leadership roles require an amount of devotion to where polygamy is not compatible. Or, perhaps, it is not limiting to one wife, but rather saying that he has to atleast have one wife. Not sure which, however, might as well take the safe ground with the former viewpoint.
  23. James 2:23 - Abraham was called a friend of God, but he was a polygamist.



When you open your mind up to the possibility that polygamy may not be a sin, you start testing the viewpoint to find some part of scripture that contradicts it. What you discover is, actually, there are no verses that contradict the idea of polygamy not being a sin. For instance, consider sexual relations in a polygamous marriage. It should be easy to prove polygamy is a sin in scripture using commandments on sexual intercourse, assuming God was against polygamy. Very interestingly, though, you find, God seems to make all the sexual restrictions work with polygamy. See below:
  1. Do not have sexual relations with a woman and her daughter (Leviticus 18:17).
  2. Do not have sexual relations with a woman and her son's daughter (Leviticus 18:17).
  3. Do not have sexual relations with a woman and her daughter's daughter (Leviticus 18:17).
  4. Do not have sexual relations with thy wife in addition to her sister, as rivals (Leviticus 18:18).
  5. Man can not have sexual relations with another man (Leviticus 18:22).
  6. Man can not have sexual relations with an animal (Leviticus 18:23).
  7. Woman can not have sexual relations with an animal (Leviticus 18:23).
Now, just read through the above, assuming polygamy was not a sin. Does it open your eyes a little bit? Notice, Leviticus 18:17 says not to have "sexual relations with a woman and her daughter". Why? Because that is a form of incest. QUESTION: Why is it even relevant to mention this, if polygamy is already a sin? Same also with the rest of verse 17 and even 18. There would be absolutely no reason for God to elaborate on all of this, if polygamy was a sin. He could simply just say, "Thou shalt not have two wives" or "Thou shalt not have sex with two women", but he never does this.


The idea is, we can not just assume God is against polygamy, if there is no legitimate reason for such a belief. If God permits polygamy throughout the Old Testament and never does away with it in the New Testament, we must assume, it is still permissible even today. Using a couple vaguely referenced scriptures (i.e. ~ two becomes one flesh) to further a viewpoint is not good, and is just self-serving."
There is nothing in those verses saying that polygamy is approved by God. It is only the author's own bias misinterpretation of scripture. For example, he cites Exodus 21:8 - Establishes rules for slaves who became wives. Note there is no mention of the man having to be single to marry a slave. The fact that there is no mention of the man being single or married is his own biased interpretation.

Then he cites Leviticus 20:14 - Prevents a man from marrying a woman and her mother at the same time. This rule would be irrelevant if polygamy was a sin. Again, it is the author's biased interpretation to think that it's okay for a man to marry a woman and her mother as long as it's not done at the same time.

In the Old Testament, you and the author ignored that a married man cannot marry the sister of his wife while his wife is still alive. And yet you interpret that it's okay for the man to marry both the woman and her mother as long as the marriage is not done at the same time?

Leviticus 18:18 "'Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

This verse is clear that as long as the wife is living, the man should not marry her sister.....and if that is so....the same rule can apply to her mother. The New Testament also shows that a man must have his own wife and a wife should have her own husband. That means one wife and one husband.
 

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Dear Z and S,

You know, Z really gave quite a good answer and it just goes to show what I am saying. For those who oppose polygamy it is not about truth or error it is simply about their position which they hold independent of what the scriptures say. For such there is no scripture that can prove that God accepts it because they have already decided that God has to oppose it...why?... because they feel strongly that God must. This goes for a lot of doctrinal error that infests the church. These doctrines of demons are so called because demons are what energize them and keeps people propagating incorrect ideas as if they were scripture.

However, I think that if someone comes here and wants to know the truth what Z and others have written will be like a cup of cool water on a very hot day.
 

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Justin Mangonel said:
Dear Z and S,

You know, Z really gave quite a good answer and it just goes to show what I am saying. For those who oppose polygamy it is not about truth or error it is simply about their position which they hold independent of what the scriptures say. For such there is no scripture that can prove that God accepts it because they have already decided that God has to oppose it...why?... because they feel strongly that God must. This goes for a lot of doctrinal error that infests the church. These doctrines of demons are so called because demons are what energize them and keeps people propagating incorrect ideas as if they were scripture.

However, I think that if someone comes here and wants to know the truth what Z and others have written will be like a cup of cool water on a very hot day.
Our position is the truth, Justin. The strongest evidence we have is the fact that God gave Adam only one wife. That is the strongest evidence because it came from God. The evidence you show is that your biblical heros chose several wives for themselves. You think that because they chose several wives and God said nothing about it determines God's approval of it. Silence doesn't determine God's approval. Afterall, God said nothing about slavery as well, but YOU determine that slavery is wrong. God said nothing about polygamy, but YOU determine that it's okay. Therefore, it has always been YOU who determines that polygamy was okay.....just as those biblical sinners determined that it was also okay for themselves. But God DID create only ONE wife for Adam.....and that is the Truth.
 

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Dear M, You cannot use what someone did not say as proof. My word....

Most of the time when people have to stretch that far to "prove" something it is an indication that their doctrine is wrong.
FYI, when I was doing my theological degree, I was taught that what was not said could be as authentic as what was said. But then, what would my learned friends know?

As a matter of interest, everyone's doctrine is wrong...somewhere, for the simple reason that none of us believe the bible is the word of God. What we believe is our interpretation of the bible is the word of God, that is why we have 35,000 denominations worldwide.
 

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marksman said:
FYI, when I was doing my theological degree, I was taught that what was not said could be as authentic as what was said. But then, what would my learned friends know?

As a matter of interest, everyone's doctrine is wrong...somewhere, for the simple reason that none of us believe the bible is the word of God. What we believe is our interpretation of the bible is the word of God, that is why we have 35,000 denominations worldwide.

Amen to that Marksman. Humanity is too prone to make their own interpretation of the Scripture, instead of actually believing it's the word of God.



And praise the Lord, Justin. It took quite a bit of unscrambling when God revealed the truth about polygyny to me, but I'm glad he did. Jesus didn't come to bind men to traditions, cultures, and ceremony. He came to show them the TRUTH, nothing more. Too many people now, professing their desire to help, and while condemning the Pharisees of Jesus' day, make the same error, by laying burdens on men's shoulders that are heavy to bear.
 

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Justin Mangonel said:
Dear Z and S,

You know, Z really gave quite a good answer and it just goes to show what I am saying. For those who oppose polygamy it is not about truth or error it is simply about their position which they hold independent of what the scriptures say. For such there is no scripture that can prove that God accepts it because they have already decided that God has to oppose it...why?... because they feel strongly that God must. This goes for a lot of doctrinal error that infests the church. These doctrines of demons are so called because demons are what energize them and keeps people propagating incorrect ideas as if they were scripture.

However, I think that if someone comes here and wants to know the truth what Z and others have written will be like a cup of cool water on a very hot day.
Justin, the truth is on our side. The evidence is in what God did since the beginning. He gave Adam only one wife. He never gave him multiple wives. And God does not change. Polygamy came from man's culture and ideas. Monogamy came from God.

God had always wanted man to worship only ONE God because there is only one God. The worship of many gods came from men just as marriage to many women came from men. God gave Adam only one wife, and He demands that man worship only Him....the one true God. When God told Hosea to marry....it was to only one woman named Gomar. When God saw Adam was lonely, it was God who created one wife for him. And it was God who told Hosea to marry one woman....Gomar (Hosea 1:2-3). Hosea did not marry any other woman. Nowhere in the Bible will you find God telling a man to marry more than one wife. Why? Because it was already clear since the beginning that man was to be married to one wife.
 

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Dear S,

I am sorry but you do err. God gave David Sauls wives into his bosom. Please research this and you will understand the truth.
 

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Selene said:
Justin, the truth is on our side. The evidence is in what God did since the beginning. He gave Adam only one wife. He never gave him multiple wives. And God does not change. Polygamy came from man's culture and ideas. Monogamy came from God.

God had always wanted man to worship only ONE God because there is only one God. The worship of many gods came from men just as marriage to many women came from men. God gave Adam only one wife, and He demands that man worship only Him....the one true God. When God told Hosea to marry....it was to only one woman named Gomar. When God saw Adam was lonely, it was God who created one wife for him. And it was God who told Hosea to marry one woman....Gomar (Hosea 1:2-3). Hosea did not marry any other woman. Nowhere in the Bible will you find God telling a man to marry more than one wife. Why? Because it was already clear since the beginning that man was to be married to one wife.

You know its strange that you are comparing polagamy with polytheism.God severly punishes people who worship more than one God,we see this many times in the Bible,But I know of no instances where a man is punished for having more than one wife.
God told Hosea to marry the prostitute Gomer because he was mad Israel was "whoring"after other gods.