Is The Pope in Jeopardy?

Axehead · Sep 1, 2012

Amidst pictures of the ailing condition of the Pope, news of an intense power struggle within the Vatican has overflowed publicly. The serious difficulties reveal ongoing financial corruption a midst ruthless infighting. These latest revelations regarding the affairs of the Vatican Bank are not startling as the Papacy has a long, long history of financial scandals.

The current one was reported in The Australian on June 18, 2012, “In the latest scandal to engulf the Pope a church official has warned that a ‘time bomb’ is about to explode over mafia money allegedly invested in the Vatican bank. Prosecutors are investigating claims a Sicilian mafia godfather laundered cash through the Institute for Religious Works [IOR], as the bank is officially known. The move follows the arrest of the Pope’s former butler and the leaking of files outlining Vatican corruption, cronyism and infighting, in the worst crisis of the Pope’s seven-year papacy.”[sup]1[/sup]

Many in the Catholic hierarchy understand the seriousness of the scandal in regard to human life. For
example, the Financial Times noted, “Three weeks after he was dismissed as president of the Vatican bank and with a secret dossier he wrote now in the hands of Italian investigators, Ettore Gotti Tedeschi is said to be afraid for his life ...

A veteran observer and friend of Mr Gotti Tedeschi confirmed reports that he feared for his life -
not unjustly, the person said, given the bank’s murky history and mysterious death 30 years ago of
Roberto Calvi, former chairman of Banco Ambrosiano, a bank partly owned by IOR that collapsed as
a result of fraudulent bankruptcy. Mr Calvi - the so-called ‘God’s banker’ - was found hanging from
Blackfriars Bridge in London, a presumed victim of the Mafia.”[sup]2[/sup]

The real life drama that is happening has been called a time bomb about to explode. Yet, it is reported
that the Pope seems not up to meeting the crisis, an opinion that recent photographs of him corroborate.

“The mood at the Vatican is apocalyptic. Pope Benedict XVI seems tired, and both unable and
unwilling to seize the reins amid fierce infighting and scandal. While Vatican insiders jockey
for power and speculate on his successor, Joseph Ratzinger has withdrawn to focus on his still-
ambiguous legacy.”[sup][sub]3[/sub][/sup]
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The Pope’s Depleted Legacy
The portrayals and descriptions of Vatican City and its Pope leave much to be explained. For example, “Here are a few excerpts from the Reuters’ story: Call it Conspiracy City. Call it Scandal City. Call it Leak City. These days the holy city has been in the news for anything but holy reasons. ‘It is a total mess,’ said one high-ranking Vatican official who spoke, like all others, on the condition of
anonymity.”[sup]4[/sup]

On June 5, 2012, the UK Telegraph reported that, “Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican’s Secretary of State and the Pope’s right-hand man, said the theft and leaking of compromising documents by unidentified whistle-blowers seemed to be part of a concerted campaign against the 85-year-old pontiff. ...Exactly who is behind the theft of the papers and letters remains a mystery, but there is widespread speculation in Rome that they are part of Machiavellian machinations at the very highest levels of the Catholic Church hierarchy.” [sup]5[/sup]

Some news sources speak of various mysterious scheming against the Pope as the reason why these calamities have come upon Benedict XVI while others are adamant that the Pope should be using his power more actively by taking charge of the situation. The Australian reports that “…

Benedict XVI, 85, implicitly denounced the leaks as the work of the devil.”[sup]6 [/sup]The Pope is undoubtedly right on that score, but not primarily from the causes that are presently being named. Rather from a biblical perspective, the real starting point and reasons for the Pope’s woes are to be found elsewhere.

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Arnie Manitoba · Sep 1, 2012

I have studied the roman papacy for many years. The 1984 book ... "In God's Name" ... by David Yallop gives an insightful look into Vatican banking , financial scandals , invasion by the illegal P2 masonic group into the Vatican during the 1970's.

Most of this information is a matter of public record. It is not a conspiracy theory.

The best way to launder money was through the Vatican bank in the 1970's and 1980's .... the mafia knew this and used the bank regularly. When the scandal broke it nearly took down the Franklin national Bank (in American) and threatened the whole financial system.

One good Pope - John Paul 1 - knew this and had a long list of changes he was going to implement on the morning of his 33rd day as leader.

Trouble is he woke up dead that morning and all his plans were cancelled. Corruption had reached the highest levels in the Vatican

Pope John Paul 1 came from humble beginnings , I believe he was a true and genuine Christian who got it right. He wanted to return the Church back to it's roots , and clean house of any hint of wrong in the Vatican. He had been elected pope against all odds . Nobody had expected it.

He was also pretty clever when it came to finding out which of his Cardinals and Bishops were genuine Christians. There was so much backroom politics and wrong motives in the upper reaches of power and he was determined to "retire" the corrupt , and appoint only the good Cardinals who were loyal to Christ.

First he had to determine who was who.

He called all the leadership into a huge room and began discussions with them for several days to set the stage. Toward the end he displayed weakness and helplessness , broke down , turned his back on the group , went by himself to the front of the room , collapsed and began weeping and wailing for God to help him. A complete sign of breakdown and helplessness. The complete opposite of what would be expected from a Pope.

Here is what happened.... :

Many of the Cardinals remained seated , exchanged smiling glances between each other , they were against the changes John Paul 1 wanted to implement. They were happy to see him collapse.

The rest of the Cardinals immediately surrounded and supported and consoled the collapsed pope. They were the genuine ones who were showing their true hearts.

From that moment John Paul 1 knew who to "retire" and who to appoint to power in the Vatican to clean house.

I have always felt that was a clever strategy. He had it planned out from the start. Trouble is he woke up dead the morning he was going to implement the sweeping changes.

I am not Catholic but I admire the attempts of good people who try to do the right thing , John Paul 1 tried , but corruption of power knows no limits , even within the church.

The current Pope (Ratzinger) is trying his best by outward appearances , he at least takes a proper stand for good Christian morals when he speaks on the world stage.

It is the next (final) Pope to watch out for (according the the prophecies of St Malachy) .... not saying I believe in it , but interesting to contemplate anyway.

Whether Catholic or not ..... be careful not to buy into everything said by powerful leaders or popes, most power is attained today by deception hiding behind a smokescreen of good speech full of propaganda.

If it turns out that "Babylon the great" spoken of in Revelation is associated with Rome .... remember Jesus says to ... "come out of her my people"

I do not pretend to know who Babylon is today , but obviously Jesus has people there now and he warns them to get out before the nasty stuff starts.

Axehead · Sep 1, 2012

I remember Pope John Paul and his untimely, early death. Some people are still trying to investigate it and someone is coming out with a book, soon.

Serious major problems have been stirring up intense turmoil within the Vatican. Many ask the question: how will Benedict XVI be able to survive? It may be that he is fearful for his life in a number of ways. Regarding corruption in financial matters, it is undoubtedly on his mind that Pope John Paul I was only
one month in office when he died while addressing Vatican bank corruption charges at the time.

Investigative reporter, David Yallop, alleges in his book, In God’s Name, that Pope John I, Albino Luciani was killed. Authors of books and articles continue to investigate his death. For example it is recently reported that, “Yet another book has been written on the suspicious death of Pope John Paul I, this time by a Spanish priest named Father Jesus Lopez Saez. Building upon the work of David Yallop, Father Saez [states] ‘the precise circumstances attending the discovery of the body of John Paul I eloquently demonstrate that the Vatican practiced a disinformation campaign.’ The Vatican told one lie after another:

‘Lies about little things, lies about big things. All these lies had but one purpose: to disguise the fact that Albino Luciani, Pope John Paul I, had been assassinated.” [sup]17[/sup]

The Catholic New service Zenit reported that Ratzinger at the time said that, “his death was totally unexpected....at the time of his election, John Paul I seemed to enjoy good health.”[sup] 18[/sup]

Ratzinger was a key figure in the Vatican at the time and certainly knows the facts. He would also know of strange deaths of other popes. For example, just a few of the many alleged murders of popes include Stephen VII (896–897) strangled; Stephen IX (939–942) mutilated; John XII (955–964) murdered; Benedict VI (973–974) strangled; John XIV (983–984) starved or directly murdered; Gregory V (996–999) poisoned; Clement II (1046–1047) poisoned; Damasus II (1048) murdered; Pope Pius XI (1922-1929) assassinated.

17 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120130151745AAg8rR7 7/20/2012
18 http://www.zenit.org/article-8353?l=english

Complete article: http://www.bereanbea...in_Jeopardy.pdf

Arnie Manitoba · Sep 2, 2012

The late Father Malachi Martin gave insightful looks into the Vatican and its influence on the world stage. Scary stuff. It has a lot to do with the new world order. Rome is complicit , and not in a christian manner. Did I mention scary stuff !!

Malachi was a Vatican "insider" and confidant to Popes. He was a highly respected author known for his accuracy.

Read his book "Windswept House". He wrote it as a novel in order to get it published. He said during a live radio interview that 80% of the book was based on fact , and 20% was name changes and a small bit of drama added .

Every Catholic should read that book. Lots of clear warnings and cautions. he often said ... "the smoke of satan has entered the Vatican"

Did I mention "scary stuff" ....!!!

Fasten your seatbelts .

Axehead · Sep 2, 2012

Arnie Manitoba said:
The late Father Malachi Martin gave insightful looks into the Vatican and its influence on the world stage. Scary stuff. It has a lot to do with the new world order. Rome is complicit , and not in a christian manner. Did I mention scary stuff !!

Malachi was a Vatican "insider" and confidant to Popes. He was a highly respected author known for his accuracy.

Read his book "Windswept House". He wrote it as a novel in order to get it published. He said during a live radio interview that 80% of the book was based on fact , and 20% was name changes and a small bit of drama added .

Every Catholic should read that book. Lots of clear warnings and cautions. he often said ... "the smoke of satan has entered the Vatican"

Did I mention "scary stuff" ....!!!

Fasten your seatbelts .

Thanks Arnie, I will be obtaining that book. The "scary thing", is also what the normal everyday Catholic (and some Protestants) has been taught, that leaving their Church is tantamount to leaving the faith of Jesus Christ. It certainly is "leaving the faith" of the Catholic Church, but it does not mean that Christ will reject you. On the contrary, many have left not only Catholicism but Protestant churches and have been received warmly by the Lord as many testimonies bear out. His Church is not found in the Yellow Pages or marked by tall steeples on street corners. He has no conflict or confusion when recognizing those that are His. And to be sure, there are those who know Him and may (for now) be part of these religious organizations so I do not paint a broad brush stroke over people. I try to address what the religious organizations teach that are contrary to God's word.

Ok, going to order that book, now.

Thanks,
Axehead

aspen · Sep 2, 2012

Arnie Manitoba said:
The late Father Malachi Martin gave insightful looks into the Vatican and its influence on the world stage. Scary stuff. It has a lot to do with the new world order. Rome is complicit , and not in a christian manner. Did I mention scary stuff !!

Malachi was a Vatican "insider" and confidant to Popes. He was a highly respected author known for his accuracy.

Read his book "Windswept House". He wrote it as a novel in order to get it published. He said during a live radio interview that 80% of the book was based on fact , and 20% was name changes and a small bit of drama added .

Every Catholic should read that book. Lots of clear warnings and cautions. he often said ... "the smoke of satan has entered the Vatican"

Did I mention "scary stuff" ....!!!

Fasten your seatbelts .

Sorry Arnie - I am going to have to take issue with your confidence in Malachi - I've read several of his books and he was all about exploitation. Jerry Springer was once asked during an interview, where he was going next (a feigned reference to the outrageous nature of his show); Jerry responded "to the bank". Malachi blazed that trail for him.

Axehead · Sep 2, 2012

Arnie, you have to realize that to Catholics, anyone who has left their church, is always considered a "disgruntled dissident" or "they didn't understand the Mass or Eucharist" or some such nonsense. A character assassination always ensues when either a nun or priest leaves.

Arnie Manitoba · Sep 3, 2012

aspen2 said:
Sorry Arnie - I am going to have to take issue with your confidence in Malachi - I've read several of his books and he was all about exploitation. Jerry Springer was once asked during an interview, where he was going next (a feigned reference to the outrageous nature of his show); Jerry responded "to the bank". Malachi blazed that trail for him.

I am aware of how Malachi Martin has been discredited as much as possible in the secular media and even in some church circles. . I own , or have borrowed and read all his books. He is a renowned historian , and had even published a treatise on the dead sea scrolls .

I retain a high regard for Malachi Martin for the following reasons:

He was a loyal Old School (Christian) Catholic who loved his (Catholic) Church. Yet he displayed a rare honesty by critiquing his own church .... the one he loved. It cost him dearly , made enemies , but nevertheless his honesty shone through and his motives became clear.

His motives were much the same as the "33 day Pope" John Paul 1st. He wanted the Catholic church to focus on Christian values , and change direction from where it is heading in modern day. Read the news. He was not successful. But many Catholics have (and will) benefit from his work.

Many years ago he gave up his vows of poverty and stepped aside from Vatican employment in order to be able to write his books and sell them as a free author , he could not do it while under the umbrella of Rome. He retained his priestly vows and continued his work as a priest for all those years.

I am not a Catholic , but I admire those who who strive for the good. It is my opinion Malachi Martin wanted only the good. He was a kind and gentle and intelligent man. Compare that to the Cardinal Cody of Chicago. Cody was like the Mafia dressed in robes in corrupt Chicago. Rome has kept the lid on that one pretty good. Malachi Martin alludes to him in the book "Windswept House" . Scary stuff.

No wonder Rome tries to discredit Malachi Martin.

Malachi Martin started writing his book in the 1960's , he outlined his fears about where his church was heading ..... jump ahead 45 years and you will hear even Protestants say he had a prophetic truth embedded in everything he wrote. Reading his old books is like watching modern day catholic news. He was right all along.

ps:
I don't understand the Jerry Springer part. ?????
thanks.

aspen · Sep 3, 2012

Axehead said:
Arnie, you have to realize that to Catholics, anyone who has left their church, is always considered a "disgruntled dissident" or "they didn't understand the Mass or Eucharist" or some such nonsense. A character assassination always ensues when either a nun or priest leaves.

Aren't most people who complain about their past church, disgruntled? I know many Catholics that have become Protestants and they may no longer agree with Catholic doctrine, but at least they understand the doctrine they are disagreeing with.

Arnie Manitoba said:
I am aware of how Malachi Martin has been discredited as much as possible in the secular media and even in some church circles. . I own , or have borrowed and read all his books. He is a renowned historian , and had even published a treatise on the dead sea scrolls .

I retain a high regard for Malachi Martin for the following reasons:

He was a loyal Old School (Christian) Catholic who loved his (Catholic) Church. Yet he displayed a rare honesty by critiquing his own church .... the one he loved. It cost him dearly , made enemies , but nevertheless his honesty shone through and his motives became clear.

His motives were much the same as the "33 day Pope" John Paul 1st. He wanted the Catholic church to focus on Christian values , and change direction from where it is heading in modern day. Read the news. He was not successful. But many Catholics have (and will) benefit from his work.

Many years ago he gave up his vows of poverty and stepped aside from Vatican employment in order to be able to write his books and sell them as a free author , he could not do it while under the umbrella of Rome. He retained his priestly vows and continued his work as a priest for all those years.

I am not a Catholic , but I admire those who who strive for the good. It is my opinion Malachi Martin wanted only the good. He was a kind and gentle and intelligent man. Compare that to the Cardinal Cody of Chicago. Cody was like the Mafia dressed in robes in corrupt Chicago. Rome has kept the lid on that one pretty good. Malachi Martin alludes to him in the book "Windswept House" . Scary stuff.

No wonder Rome tries to discredit Malachi Martin.

Malachi Martin started writing his book in the 1960's , he outlined his fears about where his church was heading ..... jump ahead 45 years and you will hear even Protestants say he had a prophetic truth embedded in everything he wrote. Reading his old books is like watching modern day catholic news. He was right all along.

ps:
I don't understand the Jerry Springer part. ?????
thanks.

Well, you have provided an interesting perspective on Malachi, perhaps I need to take another look with fresh eyes - it has been 8 or nine years since I read anything from him.

Thanks Arnie.

lawrance · Sep 3, 2012

Arnie Manitoba said:
I have studied the roman papacy for many years. The 1984 book ... "In God's Name" ... by David Yallop gives an insightful look into Vatican banking , financial scandals , invasion by the illegal P2 masonic group into the Vatican during the 1970's.

Most of this information is a matter of public record. It is not a conspiracy theory.

The best way to launder money was through the Vatican bank in the 1970's and 1980's .... the mafia knew this and used the bank regularly. When the scandal broke it nearly took down the Franklin national Bank (in American) and threatened the whole financial system.

One good Pope - John Paul 1 - knew this and had a long list of changes he was going to implement on the morning of his 33rd day as leader.

Trouble is he woke up dead that morning and all his plans were cancelled. Corruption had reached the highest levels in the Vatican

Pope John Paul 1 came from humble beginnings , I believe he was a true and genuine Christian who got it right. He wanted to return the Church back to it's roots , and clean house of any hint of wrong in the Vatican. He had been elected pope against all odds . Nobody had expected it.

He was also pretty clever when it came to finding out which of his Cardinals and Bishops were genuine Christians. There was so much backroom politics and wrong motives in the upper reaches of power and he was determined to "retire" the corrupt , and appoint only the good Cardinals who were loyal to Christ.

First he had to determine who was who.

He called all the leadership into a huge room and began discussions with them for several days to set the stage. Toward the end he displayed weakness and helplessness , broke down , turned his back on the group , went by himself to the front of the room , collapsed and began weeping and wailing for God to help him. A complete sign of breakdown and helplessness. The complete opposite of what would be expected from a Pope.

Here is what happened.... :

Many of the Cardinals remained seated , exchanged smiling glances between each other , they were against the changes John Paul 1 wanted to implement. They were happy to see him collapse.

The rest of the Cardinals immediately surrounded and supported and consoled the collapsed pope. They were the genuine ones who were showing their true hearts.

From that moment John Paul 1 knew who to "retire" and who to appoint to power in the Vatican to clean house.

I have always felt that was a clever strategy. He had it planned out from the start. Trouble is he woke up dead the morning he was going to implement the sweeping changes.

I am not Catholic but I admire the attempts of good people who try to do the right thing , John Paul 1 tried , but corruption of power knows no limits , even within the church.

The current Pope (Ratzinger) is trying his best by outward appearances , he at least takes a proper stand for good Christian morals when he speaks on the world stage.

It is the next (final) Pope to watch out for (according the the prophecies of St Malachy) .... not saying I believe in it , but interesting to contemplate anyway.

Whether Catholic or not ..... be careful not to buy into everything said by powerful leaders or popes, most power is attained today by deception hiding behind a smokescreen of good speech full of propaganda.

If it turns out that "Babylon the great" spoken of in Revelation is associated with Rome .... remember Jesus says to ... "come out of her my people"

I do not pretend to know who Babylon is today , but obviously Jesus has people there now and he warns them to get out before the nasty stuff starts.

People attack the Pope just like they did with Jesus.
I don't know how many times i have heard the great load of bull of rantings against the true Church.
I believe there is corruption in all and the RCC is no exception, as it's imposible not to.
I don't like the child molesters and priest that father children and reject them or sexual divots, people like that should not be covered up as i think they should be vomited out directly.

Lots of so called Catholics i know are anti pope and they all scrounge around like moronic fools knowing jack, only sucking up to their PC gods and only trying to make themselves look good to other damned fools.

Freemasons and PC clowns etc are all in there trying to bastardise the Church.

Arnie Manitoba · Sep 3, 2012

aspen2 said:
Well, you have provided an interesting perspective on Malachi, perhaps I need to take another look with fresh eyes - it has been 8 or nine years since I read anything from him.
Thanks Arnie.

Some of his work is long and boring (but accurate) .... for a fast paced and entertaining read I would recommend the novel "Windswept House" It chronicles two parallel (Catholic) churches .... one (Old school) (Christian) (Pre Vatican2) church against the modern Vatican.

The (modern) Vatican is complicit in behind the scenes world affairs (new world order) .... on a high level .... and Malachi subtly alludes to that in the book.

Toward the end of his life he acknowledged that it was based on a true story , names of the characters somewhat disguised , . He said he had to write it as a novel , otherwise it could never have been printed. He said he added about 10% as drama to tie the whole story together.

Somewhere I have about 6 hours of recordings of his live interviews before his death. There is some controversy about his death (pushed down stairs ?) He probed into and exposed some powerful institutions. .... but he was getting old ...... so who knows for sure.

He retained a loyal lifelong insider friend in the upper Vatican who covertly kept him informed throughout the years.

He also wrote the book "Hostage to the Devil". Should be read only by those who are strong in the faith. It is a factual documentary of 5 exorcisms of 5 living Americans. It was compiled from actual recordings , witnesses , and medical records. Nothing else was added.

Many of the assistants at the exorcisms were police officers who were friends of the family , sometimes doctors and psychiatrists , in other words well respected people with credible witness skills.

He also has a chapter on the interaction between evil spirit and humans , very informative. Almost reads like scripture. The most highly regarded work on the subject.

His books are available used at low cost .... Advance Book Exchange , Amazon etc.

Axehead · Sep 3, 2012

aspen2 said:
Aren't most people who complain about their past church, disgruntled? I know many Catholics that have become Protestants and they may no longer agree with Catholic doctrine, but at least they understand the doctrine they are disagreeing with.

Hi Aspen,

I never automatically think someone is disgruntled when they leave a church. Whether it is a Catholic or Protestant church. Because it could always be that they are just enlightened and realize that they need to make an adjustment in their life. When Jesus tells us to "come out" of that which is not of Him I don't expect that He thinks He is getting disgruntled followers. Of course there are all kinds of reasons that someone leaves a church. I will give you that. There are those who leave for very superficial reasons (did not get the position they wanted, did not like the worship music, did not like the programs, etc, etc). So, I think it is always best to talk to them if you know them and if not, read what they wrote (if they wrote anything) and take them all on an individual basis. I'm sure you left at least one church in your time and I have too. I hope you don't consider yourself disgruntled. I'm not disgruntled.

Thanks Arnie, for the added dimension you give regarding Malachi Martin. I admire anyone who pursues truth at the expense of great personal sacrifice.

Roman Catholics are like dual citizens. Their loyalty first and foremost is always to their church, even above their particular country. Many Catholics own media outlets and can hurt an individual by using media/press if Rome so requests. I am not surprised at that which has befallen Malachi Martin in the press.

Axehead

aspen · Sep 5, 2012

My allegiance is to God and I believe one of His servants is the Pope.

lawrance · Sep 6, 2012

Arnie Manitoba said:
Some of his work is long and boring (but accurate) .... for a fast paced and entertaining read I would recommend the novel "Windswept House" It chronicles two parallel (Catholic) churches .... one (Old school) (Christian) (Pre Vatican2) church against the modern Vatican.

The (modern) Vatican is complicit in behind the scenes world affairs (new world order) .... on a high level .... and Malachi subtly alludes to that in the book.

Toward the end of his life he acknowledged that it was based on a true story , names of the characters somewhat disguised , . He said he had to write it as a novel , otherwise it could never have been printed. He said he added about 10% as drama to tie the whole story together.

Somewhere I have about 6 hours of recordings of his live interviews before his death. There is some controversy about his death (pushed down stairs ?) He probed into and exposed some powerful institutions. .... but he was getting old ...... so who knows for sure.

He retained a loyal lifelong insider friend in the upper Vatican who covertly kept him informed throughout the years.

He also wrote the book "Hostage to the Devil". Should be read only by those who are strong in the faith. It is a factual documentary of 5 exorcisms of 5 living Americans. It was compiled from actual recordings , witnesses , and medical records. Nothing else was added.

Many of the assistants at the exorcisms were police officers who were friends of the family , sometimes doctors and psychiatrists , in other words well respected people with credible witness skills.

He also has a chapter on the interaction between evil spirit and humans , very informative. Almost reads like scripture. The most highly regarded work on the subject.

His books are available used at low cost .... Advance Book Exchange , Amazon etc.

New World Order, Catholic ! no way ! from what i have read the RCC goes on about. Never! Never!
The Pope has bagged them lot, full on. even saying what foolish morons they are, (not in them words) but that's the way i see it.

I see Vatican 2 as being a Church lead in a difficult time and they had to do it as such, because to stay pre Vatican 2 would mean to close the doors and not reach out and strive for hope in today's world.
Great men like John Paul II, reached out to me.

Arnie Manitoba · Sep 6, 2012

MR ROSENBERGER said:
New World Order, Catholic ! no way ! from what i have read the RCC goes on about. Never! Never!
The Pope has bagged them lot, full on. even saying what foolish morons they are, (not in them words) but that's the way i see it.

I see Vatican 2 as being a Church lead in a difficult time and they had to do it as such, because to stay pre Vatican 2 would mean to close the doors and not reach out and strive for hope in today's world.
Great men like John Paul II, reached out to me.

We forget that Rome pretty much ran much of the world for a lot of years. The Roman Church WAS a part of the world government in a semi-detached yet powerful way.

I am not anti-catholic , and I know full well a lot of good people and leaders are there .... but EVEN THE POPE admitted that "the smoke of Satan has entered the sanctuary"

Most of the problems are kept hidden , even from the Catholics themselves , ONE way to get a glimpse is to read "Windswept House" .... Malachi Martin found that was the only way to get the information (warning) out.

Research the late Cardinal Cody of Chicago. Guys like him elect Popes . Cody would probably be in jail right now .... except he died.

lawrance · Sep 6, 2012

Arnie Manitoba said:
We forget that Rome pretty much ran much of the world for a lot of years. The Roman Church WAS a part of the world government in a semi-detached yet powerful way.

I am not anti-catholic , and I know full well a lot of good people and leaders are there .... but EVEN THE POPE admitted that "the smoke of Satan has entered the sanctuary"

Most of the problems are kept hidden , even from the Catholics themselves , ONE way to get a glimpse is to read "Windswept House" .... Malachi Martin found that was the only way to get the information (warning) out.

Research the late Cardinal Cody of Chicago. Guys like him elect Popes . Cody would probably be in jail right now .... except he died.

Do you know how they elect Popes. ??? not that way.

How would Jesus like the world to be run, or make sure the idiot nations looked to his Christianity for guidance. the idiots walked all over the true Church and created there own miserable bastard ways and now we are suffering from there miserable works, as people in droves are opposed to Christianity now. because of it, the Bible says you will know them by there works and yes there is a lot of RC idiots to.

Foreigner · Sep 12, 2012

The selection of the Pope is definitely NOT divinely ensured.

The book "The Bad Popes" by E.R. Chamberlin proves that in detail.

lawrance · Sep 15, 2012

Foreigner said:
The selection of the Pope is definitely NOT divinely ensured.

The book "The Bad Popes" by E.R. Chamberlin proves that in detail.

Does the RCC say it is. as the Pope can not just do as he want's you know.

Foreigner · Sep 15, 2012

The Catholic church has always held that the selection of the Pope is divinely influenced.

They obviously can't admit it is a matter of simple repetitive voting based on lobbying, political alliances, personal influence and potential personal gains that goes on until someone has gained that majority necessary to earn the title.

aspen · Sep 15, 2012

Foreigner said:
The Catholic church has always held that the selection of the Pope is divinely influenced.

They obviously can't admit it is a matter of simple repetitive voting based on lobbying, political alliances, personal influence and potential personal gains that goes on until someone has gained that majority necessary to earn the title.

LOL - where two or more are gathered, politics occurs. Luke 9:46 is a good example of it, among the disciples - does this mean they are not really Christ's followers?

You really think Catholicism has cornered the market on politics?

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