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aspen

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The way i treat people ? how would you know ? you say that because i do not take a deferential and submissive attitude towards people who are both destroying the country i live in and in the case of some, claiming to be good christians at the same time.I am disguested with both liberals and conservatives....liberals for doing everything they can to destroy the country financially,culturally,legally,spiritually while promising a socialist utopia at the same time,meanwhile conservatives do nothing but chatter,listen to all talk and no action radio and pat themselves on the back for being so swell.

The liberals feel good about themselves for failure while conservatives feel good about themselves for failure as well....in the end emotions rule...and all of us play in the great big fun house until it all comes crashing down.

The conservative/liberal paradigm as well as the R/D paradigm is the perfect storm for destruction...each one,aware or unaware is a catalyst for the other...spiraling downward.

Yes, it is apparent that you are disgusted with every group you talk about on this forum. I agree, your fatalism is much different than simply refusing to be submissive - honestly, I am not sure how anyone can love God or their neighbor when they are carrying around bitterness and contempt for everything in God's creation - but to each their own, I suppose.
 

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Yes, it is apparent that you are disgusted with every group you talk about on this forum. I agree, your fatalism is much different than simply refusing to be submissive - honestly, I am not sure how anyone can love God or their neighbor when they are carrying around bitterness and contempt for everything in God's creation - but to each their own, I suppose.

Statements like that make me think you spend more time doing bong hits than anything else.
 

aspen

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Statements like that make me think you spend more time doing bong hits than anything else.

No need to use drugs to read your posts, Strat - you message of fatalism is loud and clear.
 

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There is a story in today's Wall Street Journal analyzing why people are far more rude to one another on the internet than they would ever be face to face. I found it interesting and enlightening.
 

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This nation has nothing to thank polite people for,they are of no effect or consequence and have stood by for 100 years while the country was being slowly destroyed....yet they still whine about rudeness.
 

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wow......

Since you approve of most of the evil that goes on today or at least see it as no real problem for the christian since love renders all sin of no consequence i will ask you this,who is more to blame "evil" people for doing evil or "good" people for doing nothing to stop it ?
 

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Since you approve of most of the evil that goes on today or at least see it as no real problem for the christian since love renders all sin of no consequence i will ask you this,who is more to blame "evil" people for doing evil or "good" people for doing nothing to stop it ?

1. Acknowledging that sin exists and recognizing that passing human laws against them does not stop people from sinning, does not mean that I approve of sin or do nothing to stop sin.

2. I have never said, nor do I believe that love takes away the consequence of sin.

3. Blaming people for sin is not a remedy for sin either. Why is finding and assigning blame so important for you? I thought it was obvious that people are responsible for their selfish behavior, which ruins their lives, hurts others and ends in physical and spiritual death. So what? How does that help people ? It is like arriving at the Titanic while it is sinking, and before gathering up the survivors, working to determine and assign blame!
 

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1. Acknowledging that sin exists and recognizing that passing human laws against them does not stop people from sinning, does not mean that I approve of sin or do nothing to stop sin.

2. I have never said, nor do I believe that love takes away the consequence of sin.

3. Blaming people for sin is not a remedy for sin either. Why is finding and assigning blame so important for you? I thought it was obvious that people are responsible for their selfish behavior, which ruins their lives, hurts others and ends in physical and spiritual death. So what? How does that help people ? It is like arriving at the Titanic while it is sinking, and before gathering up the survivors, working to determine and assign blame!

You are a liberal and support liberal laws that force people to do what you think they should do....especially with their money.
You use "love" as an excuse for everything.
You susbstitute the word blame for the word responsability because you are a liberal and despise responsability....blame is an accusation,responsability means being held accountable for ones actions.

This nation was handed down from generation to generation and each generation has progressively failed in the last 100 years and you say no one is to blame....the current generation in charge is as corrupt as any that has ever existed in America or any other part of the world and you say its nobody's fault....help people ? depends on the people you are talking about....but then i already know who they are.
 

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I look at it this way, there is the left and the right and i see the far left and far right as extremists and we could make a circle or maybe look at it like a clock ?
12 o'clock is the far right and left extremist just the right wackoes occupy 11 to 12 o'clock and the left wackos occupy 12 to 1 o'clock.
I would say i could be anywhere from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock but i show disdain from the radical rat bag extremists types.
I have friends of both extremes but i find they are narrow minded and just self serving ignorant as they don't care about others to much.
 

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I look at it this way, there is the left and the right and i see the far left and far right as extremists and we could make a circle or maybe look at it like a clock ?
12 o'clock is the far right and left extremist just the right wackoes occupy 11 to 12 o'clock and the left wackos occupy 12 to 1 o'clock.
I would say i could be anywhere from 3 o'clock to 9 o'clock but i show disdain from the radical rat bag extremists types.
I have friends of both extremes but i find they are narrow minded and just self serving ignorant as they don't care about others to much.


To use the anaology of a wheel the tire is bald except for the left wing whacko portion which has the only tread and is the only part of the wheel that gets anywhere....the wheel goes round and round,the right wing moderates,extremist and left wing moderats are all bald and uselss and get nothing done...but when the left wing whacko tread hits the dirt we are thrown forward and closer to radical left wing hell...right wing moderates and exremist are useless,they have accomplished nothing in decades and the candidate they have now was requested by the left months age when they said they preferred Romney to run against Obama...Romeny is just the polite well mannered and politically useless man they need to feel good about themselves for having voted for a nice guy.

The left wing media speedily eliminated all of those who would have been a serious threat to Obama...with the help of the conservative upright citizens brigade of course

The term "narrow minded" is used to marginalize anyone who has a clear perception of right and wrong and is not negotiable on everything and is just political babble...as is "caring" about people....just more political babble used to confuse the issues.

Conservatives have failed all the way around,they have lost the culture war,the war for the constitution and the bill of rights....they do not know how to fight and most of them have no will to fight seeing as how it would soil them so.
 

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This nation has nothing to thank polite people for,they are of no effect or consequence and have stood by for 100 years while the country was being slowly destroyed....yet they still whine about rudeness.

Strat, I was not whining, I was gently confronting you and others on your patently non-loving treatment of one another. It embarasses me to see people who go by the name of Christian engaging in this kind of caustic rhetoric. Now, I try to be polite to others when I disagree with them vehemently. But I have no problem holding a mirror up for someone to see what an ugly thing they have become through their pride, arrogance, and hateful sin nature. Now, if you want to engage me on something substantive, I'm happy to discuss. If all you want to do is insult me, implying I'm a "whiner", well, I have no more time for a person like that.

You know, you can be 100% right on every opinion you hold, but when you treat other people like something you'd scrape off the bottom of your shoe, you are 100% wrong. Somehow I don't think that's really the kind of person you want to be deep down in side.
 

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Strat, I was not whining, I was gently confronting you and others on your patently non-loving treatment of one another. It embarasses me to see people who go by the name of Christian engaging in this kind of caustic rhetoric. Now, I try to be polite to others when I disagree with them vehemently. But I have no problem holding a mirror up for someone to see what an ugly thing they have become through their pride, arrogance, and hateful sin nature. Now, if you want to engage me on something substantive, I'm happy to discuss. If all you want to do is insult me, implying I'm a "whiner", well, I have no more time for a person like that.


Ok,i will let your uninformed opinions go since you know nothing about me,but i love how people like you always manage to slide a little judgement in thinking you are so clever on one will notice. but perhaps you can answer some questions

Why have the people,of which you claim to be one accomplished nothing in regard to politcal or social signifigance in the last 100 years ?
Why are you oblivious to this fact and continue to act as if you have and do matter when all the evidence suggest that you don't ? modern christianity means nothing in or to this nation,it has been absorbed,made null and void,useless and meaningless.
 

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Why have the people,of which you claim to be one accomplished nothing in regard to politcal or social signifigance in the last 100 years ?

When did I ever claim to be a people? ;) Uhm... anyway. Let's see... one political accomplishment is that America prevailed in the cold war against the Soviet Union, demonstrating the superiority of the philosophy of personal liberty. I served in the army during that struggle, so I helped. Let's see, America provided the force that tipped the scales in defeating Naziism. Let's see, the economic engine of America since 1912 has propelled the nation to heights of economic prosperity never before seen in the world. I have a business I started 12 years ago, so I helped with that too. Nations that emulate us have also seen great prosperity. Those who don't suffer still. That is a political, social, and economic accomplishment.

Why are you oblivious to this fact and continue to act as if you have and do matter when all the evidence suggest that you don't ?

What you mean to say is that I don't matter to YOU. I matter to my wife, my children, my employees, my customers, and my neighbors. I matter to God. I matter to a great many people, and I am also a voice among many voices that defends personal liberty and resists tyranny, whether from the left or the right. Since you don't know me, I would not expect to matter to you very much. And you matter only a little to me because I don't know who you are, but I do suspect you too are a person and therefore deserving of courtesy and respect.
I am not so blinded that I think people in internet forum discussions are not real.

modern christianity means nothing in or to this nation,it has been absorbed,made null and void,useless and meaningless.

I'm afraid you are not aware of any aspect of my "Christianity". Remember, we don't know each other. My relationship with God is not something I've ever discussed with you. In the political forums I discuss political philosophies that have been handed down by classical philosophers like Aristotle, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, etc. You know, the guys America's founders looked to for political philosophy. Pre-modern thinkers. I don't argue politics from a Christian theocracy point of view, so I'm not sure where your comment comes from unless you're confusing me with someone else you've discussed politics with. I'm happy to discuss anything political with you, but it is best if you let me state my political positions and philosophies rather than assuming them.

Ok,i will let your uninformed opinions go since you know nothing about me,but i love how people like you always manage to slide a little judgement in thinking you are so clever on one will notice. but perhaps you can answer some questions

My opinion was not uninformed, it was informed from the rhetorical behavior I observe on the forum with my own eyes. Yes, when I see rude behavior I make a judgement about it. And I have no problem confronting others who say they are Christians but treat others with contempt. It is a righteous judgement. Yes, I find it uncomfortable when someone tells me I've been rude, arrogant, self-centered, or points out one of my other flaws.

It's kind of like if your neighbor blows leaves from his lawn onto yours. You don't call a cop, you confront him directly and let him know he was rude. That's what people in any kind of community do.
 

Strat

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When did I ever claim to be a people? ;) Uhm... anyway. Let's see... one political accomplishment is that America prevailed in the cold war against the Soviet Union, demonstrating the superiority of the philosophy of personal liberty. I served in the army during that struggle, so I helped. Let's see, America provided the force that tipped the scales in defeating Naziism. Let's see, the economic engine of America since 1912 has propelled the nation to heights of economic prosperity never before seen in the world. I have a business I started 12 years ago, so I helped with that too. Nations that emulate us have also seen great prosperity. Those who don't suffer still. That is a political, social, and economic accomplishment.

What does any of that have to do with today ? all it does is point out how badly we have been doing and the generation that followed did when the country was handed over to them....you don't look like you were born in 1912...as far as the military is concerned perhaps you can tell me why so many Americans had to fight and die to "defeat" people who we now bow down to while continuing to feed them American lives...has victory been redefined ?....now we outright lie to young men telling them they are fighting for America and its freedoms while we have the defense authorization act and the "patriot" act that shreds the constitution...we send them to hell holes to die for people that hate them and us and wave our flags like idiots and tell the loved ones it was all for America....it is nothing but a filthy lie.





What you mean to say is that I don't matter to YOU. I matter to my wife, my children, my employees, my customers, and my neighbors. I matter to God. I matter to a great many people, and I am also a voice among many voices that defends personal liberty and resists tyranny, whether from the left or the right. Since you don't know me, I would not expect to matter to you very much. And you matter only a little to me because I don't know who you are, but I do suspect you too are a person and therefore deserving of courtesy and respect.
I am not so blinded that I think people in internet forum discussions are not real.

The statement was not meant to be personal or in the sense of the individual but in the collective....but emotionally driven,inspired and motivated people will always take it that way...when will i learn.
The statement however still stands,the so called "good" and "nice" people have allowed the country to come to edge of the cliff....they do not fight,they do not resist....all they do is listen to all talk and no action radio making men like Rush Limbaugh rich by telling them things they should already know.....conservatism in America is an absolute failure on all counts.




I'm afraid you are not aware of any aspect of my "Christianity". Remember, we don't know each other. My relationship with God is not something I've ever discussed with you. In the political forums I discuss political philosophies that have been handed down by classical philosophers like Aristotle, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, etc. You know, the guys America's founders looked to for political philosophy. Pre-modern thinkers. I don't argue politics from a Christian theocracy point of view, so I'm not sure where your comment comes from unless you're confusing me with someone else you've discussed politics with. I'm happy to discuss anything political with you, but it is best if you let me state my political positions and philosophies rather than assuming them.

Again i was speaking in the collective,however if you are one of those nice pleasnt and polite folks that never gets upset about anything then maybe it does apply to you...perhaps when you loose your business,home and everything else perhaps that will tick you off a little....your christianity is not my concern....that is between you and God





My opinion was not uninformed, it was informed from the rhetorical behavior I observe on the forum with my own eyes. Yes, when I see rude behavior I make a judgement about it. And I have no problem confronting others who say they are Christians but treat others with contempt. It is a righteous judgement. Yes, I find it uncomfortable when someone tells me I've been rude, arrogant, self-centered, or points out one of my other flaws.

It's kind of like if your neighbor blows leaves from his lawn onto yours. You don't call a cop, you confront him directly and let him know he was rude. That's what people in any kind of community do.

Brother James,i tried responding to your post but something went wrong

Your first point,what does the past have to do with today other than to show us how far we have fallen and what a dismal job has been done by citizen and government alike,youd on't look like you were born in 1912 and i assume you fought in vietnam...we we lost that war didn't we,we lost it because of left wing micro management and cowardly right wing idiots....has victory been redefined ? how is it that we now bow down to the people we supposedly "defeated" while continuing to feed American lives to savages that hate us,we outright lie to our soldiers telling them they are fighting for America and its freedom then we have the "patriot" act and the defense authorization act passed by congress while the average idiot doesn't even know what they are....we tell the loved ones when the bodies come home that it was all done for America.....nothing but a filthy lie told by liars and believed by fools.

I did not mean you don't personally matter to those you know and love...why do emotionally driven,inspired and motivated people always take everything to be about them and their little world...i was speaking in the collective....about all the "good" people who do nothing but listen to all talk and no action radio making men like Rush Limbaugh rich for tellling them what they should already know...they do not resist,they do not fight....they do nothing.....American conservatism is an absolute failure on all counts,culturally,socially and finacially.

Your christianity does not concern me,that is between you and God

I have contempt for those who are destroying my country,contempt for those who are turning it into a sewer with their vulagrity and filth,contempt for people calling themselves christians who are just fine and dandy with it all with their constant trembling lips whinning about "love" as an excuse for it all....if my contempt is wrong then it is between me and God and not you.